# Crimson Glyph forbidden thread: **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 30, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861 "2009-04-30T16:57:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/141 "2009-06-01T19:28:11Z")
I’m shocked, shocked by this turn of events. Ok not really. I think Town is more or less done at this point, it’s just a question of who ends up winning between the Sinners and BHs. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/142 "2009-06-01T19:40:50Z")
> [@The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2215): > > **Is cutting and pasting a PM really that hard?** > > Apparently. > > \*\*Pede What gives with out telling someone they are Town? You aren’t being a Gastard here, are you? \*\* > > Allwalker, if you had “You Are Town” in your claim, couldn’t you have put it? If you didn’t, but KNEW you were town, wouldn’t you add it? You added a lot more than that. > > Whatever. > > I still don’t understand why you thought being Sinner Bulletproof was a secret you got to to keep to yourself. Apparently you learned the hard way. If saying that makes me more scummy than not, I could not care less, I am in extra innings as far as I am concerned here. > > The fact remains, that you DID act scummy, and that you were pinging me. Nothing changes that. > > * * * > > We are at night now. [So I don’t understand why we have Stickler’s Vote, unless he is scum telling.] > > By my math, Town can see Dawn tommorow. If I am proven wrong anything I say now, will be moot anyway. > > So. > > Lots of things to say. None of it to be said now. Scum can starve as far as I am concerned. As meeko blames everyone but himself. I pity the fool 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/143 "2009-06-01T19:52:51Z")
Actually, I don’t think the Sinners have a chance, given that, first, nobody claimed to have been Sinfected this latest round (either they’ve lost that power, they tried to target **AllWalker** , or their target just kept mum), second, they’ve lost presumably one of their more important roles, and third, **peeker** is probably the Scum’s number 1 target right now (the Blackhearts fear the Sinners too, after all, and **Meeko** , despite being a known Townie, is probably worth more to them alive than dead at this point). ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/144 "2009-06-01T23:33:23Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Actually, I don’t think the Sinners have a chance, given that, first, nobody claimed to have been Sinfected this latest round (either they’ve lost that power, they tried to target **AllWalker** , or their target just kept mum), second, they’ve lost presumably one of their more important roles, and third, **peeker** is probably the Scum’s number 1 target right now (the Blackhearts fear the Sinners too, after all, and **Meeko** , despite being a known Townie, is probably worth more to them alive than dead at this point). Possibly right. I was miscounting something, though it really depends on the blackhearts target priorities. I’m enjoying the meeko meltdown. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/145 "2009-06-02T01:37:11Z")
Mahaloth following Meeko’s lead right now is so amazingly scummy. In a normal game, following a confirmed Town Mason’s lead is a good thing, but Meeko has amply demostrated that he’s having issues with following the game. It’s such an easy way to find a townie to mislynch, just like yesterDay. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/146 "2009-06-02T01:46:43Z")
In which I die laughing. I will read over this thread before saying anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/147 "2009-06-02T01:59:56Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > In which I die laughing. > > I will read over this thread before saying anything else. Though i came to believe your cop claim (see above) I was initially skeptical: > [@Telcontar](#): > > Re: Allwalker - > If he’s town, he’s playing terribly. A cop claim should include a full list of investigations, night-target-reason-outcome. Someone should be demanding this from him. At the moment I don’t trust him. Also, saying that somewhere in the 30 pages of thread are the results of his investigations is just plain rude. Just an FYI for the future. I really like it when a cop says who they investigated, when, and to what effect on their play. Other than that, you could have built a more proactive case against rystro’s doctor claim as the day wore on. Meeko’s insanity put you too much on the defensive. I think town has more or less given up, there should have been much more debate with over your claim. for some reason people were unusually willing to follow the herd on this one. Perhaps it all comes down to not wanting to argue with meeko. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/148 "2009-06-02T02:11:32Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > Though i came to believe your cop claim (see above) I was initially skeptical: > > Just an FYI for the future. I really like it when a cop says who they investigated, when, and to what effect on their play. Other than that, you could have built a more proactive case against rystro’s doctor claim as the day wore on. Meeko’s insanity put you too much on the defensive. > > I think town has more or less given up, there should have been much more debate with over your claim. for some reason people were unusually willing to follow the herd on this one. Perhaps it all comes down to not wanting to argue with meeko. Fair enough. This is my second Mafia game, and my first I was VT. I played this badly, that is for sure, though I see that this thread was at least open to the idea that I was Town. And that **Meeko** is batshit insane. And I probably should have gone on the offensive against **Rysto** , but I got addicted to arguing with **Meeko**. That was why I was so aggressive to him - I had pretty much written myself off as a lost cause, and wanted him to dig himself deeper and deeper into his argument. Not the most proTown play but hey, it was fun in a perverse way. But I couldn’t help but think that if **Tel** and **Chronos** were still alive, it would have gone a lot smoother. Oh well, we all learned something\*, and had fun while doing it. \*I see **Meeko** is blaming me for not editing my PM to include “You are Town”. So maybe we didn’t all learn something ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/149 "2009-06-02T02:17:27Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > I think town has more or less given up, there should have been much more debate with over your claim. for some reason people were unusually willing to follow the herd on this one. Perhaps it all comes down to not wanting to argue with meeko. I remember giving up on meeko a while back, and that was even before he could have become sinfected if he has. I have to hope he was sinfected and accepted the sinner win condition and his actions are done solely to seed confusion and ride his ‘mason’ claim to victory. But, I’m afraid that he just still doesn’t understand the basic concept of the game and is just doing his own odd, insane thing ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/150 "2009-06-02T02:33:41Z")
Allwalker: You did fine, really. Had any experienced townies been left they would have drawn the information out by asking you. > [@AllWalker](#): > > But I couldn’t help but think that if **Tel** and **Chronos** were still alive, it would have gone a lot smoother. Oh well, we all learned something\*, and had fun while doing it. Good, sane, town players tend to die early. For example, there is a reason why Ed is in here and meeko is still playing. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/151 "2009-06-02T03:17:55Z")
Speaking of meeko, he’s still at it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/152 "2009-06-02T03:41:19Z")
Thinking some more, I don’t think there’s any reason to assume that **Meeko** is Sinfected. Yes, he’s playing for a Town loss, but he’s also playing for a Sinner loss. The only people who benefit from confusion at this point are the Blackhearts, and we know that he’s not one of those. Therefore, we can conclude that he’s just playing irrationally, and any conclusion drawn from the assumption that he’s playing rationally is therefore invalid. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/153 "2009-06-02T04:36:49Z")
Does meeko really think there were but 1 or 2 Blackhearts? ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/154 "2009-06-02T05:02:32Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Does meeko really think there were but 1 or 2 Blackhearts? I think you are asking the wrong question: > [@](#): > > Does meeko really think Paul’s eloquent defense of Allwalker tonight makes me worry slightly, in that it comes after Allwalker is dead rather than when it could have made a difference. Could just be that he was reluctant to advocate for a potentially guilty man. Might be worth a thought over the coming days. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/155 "2009-06-02T05:05:42Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > Speaking of meeko, he’s still at it. I think **paul** has taken over my role as target of insane and confusing wrath. I hope he handles it well. And yes, **Meeko** seems to think a plausible breakdown of the game is 6-1-1 T-BH-S. How that works is beyond me. Now, I have to wonder about **paulMC**. If he is Scum, that would explain why he defended me - after all, he would have known I was innocent - but I kind of hope he is Town. He does speak a lot of sense. On preview I see Tel has commented on it - he did vote for Rysto, and backed me up on a few points, which I was grateful for. I was desperate for a friend in there :). ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/156 "2009-06-02T05:08:05Z")
Hi guys! I’m posting here because I can’t think of a more guaranteed way to get myself mod killed. So… congratulations Blackhearts! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/157 "2009-06-02T05:16:12Z")
So, you were so upset with **Meeko** , that you just handed him exactly the outcome that he was playing for? Yes, I know that circumstances were somewhat stacked against Town, but that’s no reason not to keep trying. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/158 "2009-06-02T05:16:23Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I have a strong urge to go into the game thread and give a grammar lesson on irregular past tense verbs. > [@The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1815): > > I am sure the politician is town… so by buying the vote of the guy who hadn’t voted the past two nights, he **gived** town a second vote essentially. Note how close the letter S is to the letter D on the keyboard? 😛 Should have been an S. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/159 "2009-06-02T05:21:04Z")
> [@The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2247): > > I give up on this game… I can’t take trying to figure out Meeko anymore… I can’t take the fact that the role PM’s were not standardized on purpose… it verges on gastard… I can’t stand the fact that on reveal of a town death we aren’t told if they were pure or not at the time of death. > > I give up. > > Mod kill me please… I just want to be done with it… I know I have already lost the game, so forcing me to stay in is basically just to allow the sinners or Blackhearts to hash out who wins. The game has lost it’s fun. This game actually wasn’t that complicated, from everything that has been revealed thus far. And non-standardized role PMs are not uncommon. So, really, you’re complaining about nothing. The biggest problem this game was the refuse of certain players (Meeko most notably) to play the f-ing game. Hardly the mod’s fault. I think that bailing like this is really bad form. The game was set up for a bloody, complicated, and potential cool endgame. Town might even have had a chance, depending on exactly what was going on with the sinners. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/160 "2009-06-02T05:24:54Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > So, you were so upset with **Meeko** , that you just handed him exactly the outcome that he was playing for? Yes, I know that circumstances were somewhat stacked against Town, but that’s no reason not to keep trying. He can’t be BH because he was in a masonry with Ed who flipped town… So unless this game is gastard then he has to be town… but his actions show that he must have been sinfected. So I guess I did hand him one less pure person in the game. But at this point… with the mess that this game is… broken mechanics… nonstandard role PMs… partial reveals on death… I won’t understand who is who and what is going on until one of the scum factions win and the setup is revealed… so where is the fun in playing? I’m not gonna play in a game that isn’t fun. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861.md?page=9)