# Crisis on Infinite Earths - CW Arrowverse crossover 2019-20 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 18, 2019, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930 "2019-10-18T01:36:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/101 "2020-01-15T06:19:04Z")
Holy crap! DCEU-Flash on TV! I literally shouted out loud when Ezra Miller showed up. The cameo to end all cameos, unless Grant Gustin shows up in the Flash movie. I can’t believe that they were able to keep this one under wraps, since every other cameo got leaked. Great bit with them admiring each other’s suits. So it’s canon now that movie-Flash got his name from TV-Flash. The second cameo with “Marv”, the autograph-seeker, was Marv Wolfman the writer of the original _Crisis on Infinite Earths_. He was the one responsible for killing Supergirl and the Flash in the comics, so it’s rather ironic he shows up here getting their autographs. The shadow demons showed up again and fight scenes against them were once again underwhelming. The main problem is that they never actually showed us what the shadow demons could do. They merely existed to be punching bags for our heroes. Fake Beebo managed to be more menacing; we actually know what the real one could do. Instead of merging _all_ the universes, it looks like we’ve got a new multiverse. Barry, Kara, and Jefferson on Earth-Prime. Stargirl and the JSA on a new Earth-2. Titans on another Earth. Poor Swamp Thing all alone on his own Earth. The Doom Patrol on another. Also the Green Lantern Corp and then Brandon Routh-Superman. So are actually getting a live action Justice League on TV? Or is it just the Super Friends? ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/102 "2020-01-15T06:39:48Z")
So - what was Earth-21? And is the Paragon of Humanity (still think of him as Kevin Tran from Supernatural) getting his own show? ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/103 "2020-01-15T06:58:47Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > So - what was Earth-21? > And is the Paragon of Humanity (still think of him as Kevin Tran from Supernatural) getting his own show? Earth-21 was Doom Patrol, the Titans-adjacent spin-off. Ryan Choi is joining the Legends as the new Atom, after Ray Palmer leaves. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/104 "2020-01-15T12:31:10Z")
So, presumably Oliver tweaked the new universe to put all his friends on the same Earth (now designated Prime instead 1)? Sounds like Lena and Kara will be friends again (which will make my wife happy, if she starts watching Supergirl again). Historical Lex on Prime was apparently a good guy (but of course, he has pretended that before). However, since he was a paragon, he is actually the evil Lex from Earth-1 with those memories (see the wink to Kara), so hijinks will presumably ensue (if Cryer wants to keep the role, and why wouldn’t he - it looks like fun). ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/105 "2020-01-15T15:38:48Z")
At first I thought there was only one Earth and no more multiverse which i thought would get awfully crowded. All haill Beebo! Brian ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/106 "2020-01-15T15:51:41Z")
“you’ll know what to do” 'I know - lets all stand here and look at the bright light and think positive thoughts - ok GO!" Beebo was fantastic - I laughed outloud. I ‘thought’ the ending montage of other earth’s was confusing - we’ve been told both that there is only one earth and now that there is still a multi-verse. I thought maybe that the montage was a ‘goodbye’ to the other known heros. And you can’t have a justice league without WonderWoman and Aquaman. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/107 "2020-01-16T02:06:04Z")
As the one and only person who liked Justice League and really wants the Ezra Miller Flash movie, that cameo was amazing! As for the final episode: gotta love Gleek and the few seconds of Superfriends theme. Overall this cross over was a little muddled but I like the end result. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/108 "2020-01-16T02:16:43Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Historical Lex on Prime was apparently a good guy (but of course, he has pretended that before). However, since he was a paragon, he is actually the evil Lex from Earth-1 with those memories (see the wink to Kara), so hijinks will presumably ensue (if Cryer wants to keep the role, and why wouldn’t he - it looks like fun). Lex (our Lex, that is) is from the now-merged Earth-38. After Kara deals with him (and you know she will), I assume they’ll want to keep him around as a foil for _Superman and Lois_. The show has been ordered to series, which will premiere some time next year. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/109 "2020-01-16T14:46:01Z")
Gleek seems vaguely familiar, a powered monkey I presume? What is he? What is JSA? Isn’t Batwoman also on Prime? Is the Arrow done now or does the team mope through a few episodes to finish off the last season? ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/110 "2020-01-16T15:58:05Z")
Gleek is the space monkey belonging to Zan and Jana, the Wonder Twins, from the [Super Friends cartoon](https://youtu.be/RnxN-ZT9EGE), from which the Hall of Justice as well as the closing theme song were also derived. The JSA is the Justice Society of America, the precursor to the Justice League. The Legends encountered a version of them in 1942 (on Earth-1) which included Vixen (who joined the Legends) and Stargirl. A new _Stargirl_ series, featuring a different version of the JSA and Stargirl, will be showing on DC Universe streaming service to also be broadcast on the CW ([Stargirl trailer](https://youtu.be/Bp5Xv7QcgkM)). Batwoman is indeed from Earth-1 and also present on Earth-Prime. The Crisis has basically merged all the CW shows (_Batwoman_, _Supergirl_, _Arrow_, _The Flash_, _Legends of Tomorrow_, and _Black Lightning_) into the same universe. Other shows like _Titans_ and _Doom Patrol_, which aren’t on the CW, remain separate. _Arrow_ still has two episodes to go. The next one will be _Green Arrow and the Canaries_, a back door pilot for a spin-off series involving Mia Smoak and the Canaries. I don’t know what they’re going to do for the finale episode, since Oliver is doubly-dead, but I hear that Felicity will be making a final appearance. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/111 "2020-01-16T17:19:31Z")
Terminus Est wrote: “The second cameo with “Marv”, the autograph-seeker, was Marv Wolfman the writer of the original Crisis on Infinite Earths. He was the one responsible for killing Supergirl and the Flash in the comics, so it’s rather ironic he shows up here getting their autographs.” Gotta be surreal as hell for a comic writer suddenly finding himself face to face with the characters he’s written about. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/112 "2020-01-17T01:36:28Z")
I was…whelmed. The Anti-Monitor fights were a solid “meh”. The “let’s all stare” finish was groan-inducingly bad for both me & Mrs. D\_Odds. Supergirl steeling her nerve while flying towards the A-M was unintentionally laugh-out-loud funny in its awefulness. Also, if Supergirl is pulling the cable to trip Beebo (best part of these two episodes), what are the others needed for? What strength feat can’t Supergirl handle that Supergirl and ‘Rebecca’ can? ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/113 "2020-01-17T05:08:48Z")
According to Marc Guggenheim, it was Warner Bros. that approached them about the possibility to include Ezra Miller and not the other way around. [From Variety](https://variety.com/2020/tv/features/crisis-on-infinite-earths-ezra-miller-cameo-marc-guggenheim-interview-1203467952/): > [@](#): > > **There has been a fairly strict separation of the DC film and television world. How were you able to combine the two with Miller’s cameo?** > > We were series wrapped on “Arrow,” and we were wrapped on the whole crossover. We were in post and some episodes were locked, and some were soft-locked. I got a phone call from [Warner Bros. boss] Peter Roth saying, “I know you’re locked, but can you put Ezra into the crossover?” And I said, “Yes.” And he said, “How, you’re series wrapped? And you’re wrapped on the crossover.” And I said, “Yeah, I know, but if you’re telling me Ezra Miller can be in the crossover, I can make it happen.” I called Eric Wallace who who is the showrunner of “Flash,” and he called up Grant Gustin — because the one thing that was our only concern was the thought we didn’t want to do it unless Grant was 100 percent onboard with it. And he was. He was incredibly enthusiastic and onboard with it. And then we got on the phone with Ezra Miller and told him the scene I had written and he was completely into it. And we just went. We put together a unit of the “Flash” crew on the “Flash” set [since “Arrow’s” team, which had produced the rest of the hour, was gone]. And much to our surprise, no one noticed Ezra Miller was in Vancouver and no one leaked it from the crew, which we appreciate. So we were able to keep it a surprise. The cameo was so secret that not even Grant’s fellow cast members knew about it. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/114 "2020-01-17T05:12:21Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > [Tom Ellis shot down those rumors.](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/apos-lucifer-apos-star-tom-170001858.html) Lucifer did appear, briefly. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/115 "2020-01-17T05:37:23Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Lucifer did appear, briefly. I must have missed that whole segment on Earth-666. :dubious: > [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Nice fakeout by Tom Ellis; I actually believed his denial that he had nothing to do with Crisis and was just visiting friends in Vancouver. They don’t call him the Father of Lies for nothing. Rather fitting that Lucifer Morningstar lives on Earth-666. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2020, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/116 "2020-01-19T05:37:02Z")
Ok, three characters from the final battle- the girl in the blue suit firing rings of power, the dude with the hockey mask and guns and the girl with ice powers. Not to mention in earlier episodes there was a similar girl in a blue outfit escorting people off planet, and then a woman in a black suit with a star on her chest. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2020, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/117 "2020-01-19T06:34:53Z")
I kept thinking “Well, it’s no Endgame, but for third-rate TV shows, they’re doing… okay. So why do I keep watching it?” But then they’d throw in a little easter egg and I’d get giddy and say “_That’s_ why I keep watching!” Beebo, Lucifer, Constantine, Marv, Smallville Clark, Jim Corrigan, unapologetically using Brandon Routh for Supes2 and Ray ("There’s a super-me?”), the Doom Patrol, Ezra Miller… … and of course, Gleek! ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2020, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/118 "2020-01-19T11:33:50Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Ok, three characters from the final battle- the girl in the blue suit firing rings of power, the dude with the hockey mask and guns and the girl with ice powers. Are you asking who they were? 1. Nia Nal/Dreamer from _Supergirl_ - main power is precognition, but can also fire psychic blasts; a distant ancestor of Dream Girl from the Legion of Super Heroes 2. Rene Ramirez/Wild Dog from _Arrow_ - he wears a hockey mask and shoots things 3. Killer Frost/Caitlin Snow from _The Flash_ - ice, frost, and snow powers > [@](#): > > Not to mention in earlier episodes there was a similar girl in a blue outfit escorting people off planet, and then a woman in a black suit with a star on her chest. 1. She’s the same girl Nia Nal. 2. I have no idea to whom you’re referring. There are several female characters that wear a black suit, but none feature a star on the chest. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930/119 "2020-01-19T15:43:34Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Are you asking who they were? > 2. I have no idea to whom you’re referring. There are several female characters that wear a black suit, but none feature a star on the chest. Umm…[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/arrow/images/9/9f/Killer\_Frost\_%28Caitlin\_Snow%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/700?cb=20191011105559](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/arrow/images/9/9f/Killer_Frost_%28Caitlin_Snow%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/700?cb=20191011105559) ---
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> [@gdave](#): > > Umm…[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/arrow/images/9/9f/Killer\_Frost\_%28Caitlin\_Snow%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/700?cb=20191011105559](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/arrow/images/9/9f/Killer_Frost_%28Caitlin_Snow%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/700?cb=20191011105559) not so much a star as a snowflake. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crisis-on-infinite-earths-cw-arrowverse-crossover-2019-20/841930.md?page=7)