# Critique This \[re: Gospels\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 7, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795 "2012-08-07T22:34:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/41 "2012-08-08T20:01:05Z")
Andy, you guys mentioned extraterrestrials, not me. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/42 "2012-08-08T20:03:54Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Andy, you guys mentioned extraterrestrials, not me. You complained about other people mentioning 9/11 - and I pointed out that you were the one that brought it up. I never mentioned extraterrestrials - what do they have to do with anything? ---
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/43 "2012-08-08T20:03:59Z")
Anyone trust the BBC? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/F6ytpbs_e2Q/maxresdefault.jpg "BBC broadcasts Nibiru in a documentary 18 June 2012 must see") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ytpbs_e2Q) ---
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/44 "2012-08-08T20:08:31Z")
BTW how many of you would refuse to listen to an MIT lecture or the repeat of an important newscast just because the words _YouTube_ appear on top of the screen. Perhaps it’s some deep seeded religious superstition or demonic fear of certain words like _YouTube…_ ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/45 "2012-08-08T20:09:40Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > So, I suppose everyone watching the Clouds, Sunshine, Clouds video only sees clouds. Did you bother to look at the changing position of the sun and stars on a daily basis? If you did, you’re either blind, know nothing of celestial mechanics or you don’t give a damn… Why do you think this is strange? What do you think makes the daylength different in winter and summer? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/46 "2012-08-08T20:11:38Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Not this again. There’s no such Doom Planet, science hasn’t discovered it because it doesn’t exist, and the ancients were ignorant, clueless primitives not fonts of wisdom. There are times when I wish the Doom Planet _would_ turn up and smash the Earth, just so all this bullshit would stop. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/47 "2012-08-08T20:22:38Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Perhaps it’s some deep seeded religious superstition or demonic fear of certain words like _YouTube…_ The phrase is deep _seated_, and the issue is that in the context of citations in an argument, articles are simple and a YouTube video is a pain in the ass. It takes longer, you may need to watch and listen instead of just read, and you can’t copy and paste quotes. I am sure you could dig up text citations for this nonsense; it’s not like you can only find pseudoscientific bullshit on the internet in video form. If all you want to do is make weird pronouncements and display your contempt for your audience, I will close this thread soon. ---
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/48 "2012-08-08T20:32:36Z")
Lil’nemo: “In all seriousness, I think the OP is suggesting the 9/11 attacks involved extraterrestrials.” chappy : “Andy, lil’nemo mentioned extraterrestrials in his last post. Does that mean he is one?” _No - it means that he doesn’t get to be surprised when other people mention extraterristrials when replying to him…_ "Who are the “other people Andy?” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/49 "2012-08-08T20:49:29Z")
Other people in the conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/50 "2012-08-08T20:53:15Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Lil’nemo: > > “In all seriousness, I think the OP is suggesting the 9/11 attacks involved extraterrestrials.” > > chappy : > > “Andy, lil’nemo mentioned extraterrestrials in his last post. Does that mean he is one?” > > _No - it means that he doesn’t get to be surprised when other people mention extraterristrials when replying to him…_ > > "Who are the “other people Andy?” It was a hypothetical. If, after Little Nemo brought up the subject of extraterrestrials (as you brought up the subject of 9/11 in your original post), other people replied, and also mentioned ETs, it would be bizarre for Little Nemo to then write “How in hell someone brings extraterrestrials into this discussion is beyond me.” Fortunately, I don’t think Little Nemo make such a strange statement. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/51 "2012-08-08T20:58:03Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > [Jesus] gave them the tools (like a net to catch fish) that they needed to help themselves. Yes, he did exactly that. And by “exactly” I mean “the exact opposite of”. There is no record of him giving hungry people fishing nets. You know what he gave them? _Fish_. From there your post got a little weird. ---
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/52 "2012-08-08T21:01:17Z")
Mangetout, The sun sets the same place and rises in the same place at the same time of year. The position of the setting and rising sun changes slowly over the year as the earths tilt changes relative to the sun. The sun and the stars are moving from their original position on a daily basis in the video. The only thing that can cause this is a pole shift. A pole shift can only be caused by gravitational interference from a massive outside body. There is evidence that the body causing this anomaly is the same planet referred to in the ancient Sumerian texts, the Kolbrin Bible and many other ancient writings. It is either a companion star that our sun orbits in a long ellipse or either it orbits our sun in the same type orbit. The orbital duration is 3600 years. It hasn’t been reported by amateur astronomers because it has only been visible in the deep southern hemisphere, and then only in the ultraviolet spectrum. It doesn’t give off any natural light. It hasn’t been reported by our government because, well what’s your guess? Probably the same reason they covered up the Gulf of Tonkin lie, the weapons of mass destruction lie, the we don’t torture lie, the bailout lie, the Obama lie, the Lusitania lie, the citizens privacy lie and a few others. It will be seen in the north in a few weeks or months by everyone as it crosses the plane of the equator. You can see the object now on film; it’s a brown or red dwarf, with a debris field and a companion planet on the BBC video I posted earlier. The debris field and companion aren’t mentioned in the documentary. Some estimates put the nearest passage to earth at 10 earth diameters. I hope to God he or she is wrong. Remember the sun doesn’t shine in Antarctica in the middle of July… but now it does? If i’m out in left field about the science of sunshine and dark on a planets polar region, please educate me so I can tuck tail and run… ---
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/53 "2012-08-08T21:02:38Z")
Skammer, don’t you know a metaphor when you see it? You must be a Bible literalist… ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/54 "2012-08-08T21:04:24Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > You must be a Bible literalist… Last chance: I will close this the next time you make a sarcastic comment about another poster. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/55 "2012-08-08T21:05:13Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Mangetout, The sun sets the same place and rises in the same place at the same time of year. The position of the setting and rising sun changes slowly over the year as the earths tilt changes relative to the sun. The sun and the stars are moving from their original position on a daily basis in the video. The only thing that can cause this is a pole shift. A pole shift can only be caused by gravitational interference from a massive outside body. There is evidence that the body causing this anomaly is the same planet referred to in the ancient Sumerian texts, the Kolbrin Bible and many other ancient writings. It is either a companion star that our sun orbits in a long ellipse or either it orbits our sun in the same type orbit. The orbital duration is 3600 years. It hasn’t been reported by amateur astronomers because it has only been visible in the deep southern hemisphere, and then only in the ultraviolet spectrum. It doesn’t give off any natural light. It hasn’t been reported by our government because, well what’s your guess? Probably the same reason they covered up the Gulf of Tonkin lie, the weapons of mass destruction lie, the we don’t torture lie, the bailout lie, the Obama lie, the Lusitania lie, the citizens privacy lie and a few others. > It will be seen in the north in a few weeks or months by everyone as it crosses the plane of the equator. You can see the object now on film; it’s a brown or red dwarf, with a debris field and a companion planet on the BBC video I posted earlier. The debris field and companion aren’t mentioned in the documentary. Some estimates put the nearest passage to earth at 10 earth diameters. I hope to God he or she is wrong. > Remember the sun doesn’t shine in Antarctica in the middle of July… but now it does? If i’m out in left field about the science of sunshine and dark on a planets polar region, please educate me so I can tuck tail and run… What is this i dont even ---
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/56 "2012-08-08T21:08:16Z")
Marley, I’ll make a wager with you. I’ll prove beyond doubt that the videos are legit and real as anything you or anyone else can post on this board. And the phrase is _Deep Seeded_ just as I wrote. Deep seeded means deeply impregnated into memory, not sitting in a hole as you would suggest… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/57 "2012-08-08T21:11:46Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Marley, I’ll make a wager with you. I’ll prove beyond doubt that the videos are legit and real as anything you or anyone else can post on this board. And the phrase is _Deep Seeded_ just as I wrote. Deep seeded means deeply impregnated into memory, not sitting in a hole as you would suggest… It is “deep seated”. If you plant a seed too deep, it just rots and dies in the dark. On second thought… ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/58 "2012-08-08T21:12:02Z")
Poo-poo ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/59 "2012-08-08T21:12:32Z")
I don’t know what you’re wagering since you only posted what you want _me_ to do, but unless you’re offering me a moderate-sized fortune, I am not going to watch those videos. I’ve read what you’ve posted, and it’s incoherent and absurd. [And it is deep seated.](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deep-seated) Google would have cleared that up for you. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/60 "2012-08-08T21:25:17Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Mangetout, The sun sets the same place and rises in the same place at the same time of year. The position of the setting and rising sun changes slowly over the year as the earths tilt changes relative to the sun. The sun and the stars are moving from their original position on a daily basis in the video. No, they don’t. You do realise that the first bright object you see rise (starting about 0:15) is the sun, then the second bright object you see rising in that video (around 0:50) is the MOON? Then the next one (about 1:15) is the sun - and it’s in more or less the same place as the sun the previous day (I left my mouse cursor over the point where it rose the first time) > [@](#): > > The only thing that can cause this is a pole shift. A pole shift can only be caused by gravitational interference from a massive outside body. If this had been happening, _everyone on Earth_ would already be acutely aware of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795.md?page=4)