# Critique This \[re: Gospels\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 7, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795 "2012-08-07T22:34:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/61 "2012-08-08T21:31:07Z")
Why, oh, why is it that the CTs have an apparent dislike of paragraphing? ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/62 "2012-08-08T21:45:12Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > The sun and the stars are moving from their original position on a daily basis in the video. No, they aren’t. I just watched the video, and marked on the screen where the sun rises. It rises in the same place at the start and at the end of the video. You may be confused by the moon rising, which is quite bright in this video and rises in a different place than the sun. If you make sure that the bright object you’re looking at is actually the sun, you’ll see that it’s rising in approximately the same place each day. There will be a little shift due to the tilt of the earth’s axis, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/63 "2012-08-08T21:47:56Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Why, oh, why is it that the CTs have an apparent dislike of paragraphing? Because most of them are uneducated? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/64 "2012-08-08T22:14:00Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Why, oh, why is it that the CTs have an apparent dislike of paragraphing? > [@Lobohan](#): > > Because most of them are uneducated? Nah, it’s because paragraphs are part of the conspiracy! ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/65 "2012-08-08T22:20:29Z")
Maybe his ENTER key was sucked in by the gravitational pull of Naboo, or whatever the fuck it’s called. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/66 "2012-08-08T22:23:50Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Anyone trust the BBC? > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ytpbs\_e2Q](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ytpbs_e2Q) Yeah, I trust the BBC a little bit. The linked video above contains one frame of BBC footage. One. frame. Showing the sun shining through clouds, with a bright spot near it. Probably lens flare. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/67 "2012-08-08T22:54:37Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Yeah, I trust the BBC a little bit. The linked video above contains one frame of BBC footage. One. frame. Showing the sun shining through clouds, with a bright spot near it. Probably lens flare. Actually, I’m going to revise that - I had a look at a full version of the footage ([here](http://youtu.be/Cs42-5HnQRQ?t=1h11m57s)). The bright spot looks like a partial sundog. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2012, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/68 "2012-08-09T00:14:48Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Mangetout, The sun sets the same place and rises in the same place at the same time of year. The position of the setting and rising sun changes slowly over the year as the earths tilt changes relative to the sun. The sun and the stars are moving from their original position on a daily basis in the video. The only thing that can cause this is a pole shift. A pole shift can only be caused by gravitational interference from a massive outside body. Yeah. Commonly known as the Sun. > [@](#): > > There is evidence that the body causing this anomaly is the same planet referred to in the ancient Sumerian texts, the Kolbrin Bible and many other ancient writings. It is either a companion star that our sun orbits in a long ellipse or either it orbits our sun in the same type orbit. The orbital duration is 3600 years. It hasn’t been reported by amateur astronomers because it has only been visible in the deep southern hemisphere, and then only in the ultraviolet spectrum. It doesn’t give off any natural light. What is the ultraviolet spectrum, pray tell? What is unnatural about ultraviolet light. And you are aware that astronomers take pictures in lots of frequencies, right? > [@](#): > > It hasn’t been reported by our government because, well what’s your guess? Probably the same reason they covered up the Gulf of Tonkin lie, the weapons of mass destruction lie, the we don’t torture lie, the bailout lie, the Obama lie, the Lusitania lie, the citizens privacy lie and a few others. I don’t even know what the Obama lie and the bailout lie are, but some of the others are so well covered up that they appear in my kids high school history textbooks. Beyond wondering why the government would bother to cover up something in a 3600 year orbit, how do they manage to cover it up from astronomers working in Australia? > [@](#): > > It will be seen in the north in a few weeks or months by everyone as it crosses the plane of the equator. You can see the object now on film; it’s a brown or red dwarf, with a debris field and a companion planet on the BBC video I posted earlier. The debris field and companion aren’t mentioned in the documentary. Some estimates put the nearest passage to earth at 10 earth diameters. I hope to God he or she is wrong. And no one has noticed the gravitational perturbation that this thing causes in other planets? > [@](#): > > Remember the sun doesn’t shine in Antarctica in the middle of July… but now it does? If i’m out in left field about the science of sunshine and dark on a planets polar region, please educate me so I can tuck tail and run… I was on the Baltic in early June, and the sun shone at midnight and even later. Was I a part of the conspiracy? ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2012, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/69 "2012-08-09T00:25:57Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Maybe his ENTER key was sucked in by the gravitational pull of Naboo, or whatever the fuck it’s called. Hold me, like you did by the lake on Naboo; so long ago when there was nothing but our love. and the giant extra planet. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2012, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/70 "2012-08-09T00:51:06Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Maybe his ENTER key was sucked in by the gravitational pull of Naboo, or whatever the fuck it’s called. The Peace Moon? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2012, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/71 "2012-08-09T00:56:05Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > The Peace Moon? That’s no moon… The Peace Star! “Love will keep the local systems in line. Love of this battle station.” ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/72 "2012-08-09T01:24:03Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > . . . It will be seen in the north in a few weeks or months by everyone as it crosses the plane of the equator. . . . If it is only a few degrees south of the equator, then it would be easily visible in telescopes in the southern part of the northern hemisphere. Telescopes in Hawaii, California, Arizona, Texas…or France, Italy, Greece, Pakistan, India, and China, would all be able to see it now. And, as someone mentioned already, astronomers in Australia and New Zealand should have been seeing it for years now. Spherical geometry is a little tricky, but it isn’t THAT hard to figure out. Play around for a few minutes with a globe! ---
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2012, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/73 "2012-08-09T03:05:26Z")
Copy and paste from the Penn. University Language Log: \*\*The fact that roughly 4% of the population has the wrong idea about this phrase is a perfect example of the forces that lead to the formation of eggcorns. (Indeed, deep-seeded was mentioned here last fall as an example of this process.) The substitution sounds the same, and it means something plausible. Both similar sound and sensible meaning are essential – no one is likely to make the mistake of writing “seated rolls” in place of “seeded rolls”, or “deep-chaired ignorance” in place of “deep-seated ignorance”. The OED defines deep-seated as “Having its seat far beneath the surface”. This would make sense for the meaning of seat given in the AHD as 6a. The place where something is located or based: The heart is the seat of the emotions. but that sense of seat is essentially obsolete, except in fixed expressions like “deep-seated”. The idea of seeds being buried is much commoner these days, both literally and metaphorically, than the idea of seats having a similar property, as these Google counts suggest: “buried seed(s)” 10,400 “seed(s) buried” 6,400 “buried seat(s)” 13 “seat(s) buried” 232 And some of those few buried seats are not real: When he got the pardon, he looked at it and went back to his seat, buried his face in his hands and cried. So it’s odd to call the use of “deep-seeded” a mistake, since it combines ordinary words of English in a grammatically correct and semantically reasonable fashion. But a mistake it will usually be, at least in the view of most readers, because the existing phrase “deep-seated” gets in the way. This is what John Dryden was getting at when he asked Wouldst thou the seeds deep sown of mischief know, And how the egg-corne doth emplanted grow? OK, he didn’t ask any such thing. But if he had, you’d know the answer. \*\* _A matter of opinion is the bottom line. I’ll respect yours, you respect mine…_ ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2012, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/74 "2012-08-09T03:16:55Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Skammer, don’t you know a metaphor when you see it? You must be a Bible literalist… And I get to be an extraterrestrial. Admit it, Skammer, you’re jealous. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/75 "2012-08-09T03:54:21Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > _A matter of opinion is the bottom line. I’ll respect yours, you respect mine…_ You seem to be a tad confused here. Let me help you: [ol][li]Everyone has a right to an opinion.[/li][ul][li]Nobody has a right for a ridiculous opinion to be treated with respect.[/ul][/li][li]You have made assertions about science.[/li][ul][li]You have supported your assertions with opinion.[/ul][/li][li]Science is a rigorous process.[/li][ul][li]Your opinions show no foundation other than your, or someone else’s–thus making it second-hand–wishful thinking.[/ul][/ol][/li] To quote one of the court-martial members in _Casualties of War_ (since you like videos so much): “Does that about sum it up?” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2012, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/76 "2012-08-09T04:11:41Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > _A matter of opinion is the bottom line. I’ll respect yours, you respect mine…_ Not only no, but hell no. This is not a matter of opinion. You are factually wrong. Your cite agrees with mine that the phrase is “deep seated.” Deep seeded, as the Penn journal points out, is an eggcorn. It’s an old phrase and we don’t often use the word “seated” that way anymore, but that doesn’t mean the phrase is actually something else. And when you’re wrong on the facts, you don’t get to say “Well, it’s just a matter of opinion.” If it wasn’t an opinion before, it doesn’t become one when you fail to make your argument. That’s just an excuse. I’d respect your opinion if it were either a matter of personal taste or a view supported by facts, but this is neither. You don’t get to play the “You have to respect my opinion!” card after you make a bunch of false and completely ridiculous claims. Incorrect or unsupported views are not worthy of respect. I am going to drop this subject because it’s a hijack and obviously not the subject you wanted to discuss when you started this thread. I will point out that we arguably made more progress evaluating this two-word phrase than anyone did on your claims in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2012, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/77 "2012-08-09T05:56:39Z")
Anyway, back to the video of clouds. **chappy** , do you concede that the second bright object rising in that video is the moon? If not, please look again, and study the in-frame timestamp at the bottom left of the video (not the youtube time control, I’m talking about the rolling clock captured into the frames of the video itself) ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2012, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/78 "2012-08-09T12:50:29Z")
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**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/79 "2012-08-09T13:37:20Z")
As far as _stories_ go, this one isn’t too bad. Is the brown dwarf that Nibiru circles the same thing as that Grateful Dead theme, “Dark Star”? Is the coming disaster an excuse to drop a lot of acid, since we’re all going to croak soon anyway? I realize now I should have payed more attention to that instead of going to college… ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795/80 "2012-08-09T13:41:09Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Skammer, don’t you know a metaphor when you see it? You must be a Bible literalist… I do; I’ll let you know when I see one. Pointing out that you made up a fact about Jesus to add credence to your thesis does not make me a literalist. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And I get to be an extraterrestrial. Admit it, Skammer, you’re jealous. Can’t I be both, like the late Earl Warren? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/critique-this-re-gospels/630795.md?page=5)