# Crotchless pantaloons **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 12, 2007, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799 "2007-05-12T02:44:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/1 "2007-05-12T02:44:29Z")
So I was reading all about [Christian Domestic Discipline](http://www.christiandomesticdiscipline.com), which probably deserves its own thread. (Basically, it’s Christian fundamentalism meets hardcore D&S, minus all the good sex. Be sure to check out the Glossary, and stop by “Sample Chapters” for some of the world’s worst erotica.) Let’s say you’re a good submissive little Christian wife, and you want to look all sexy for your husband when he beats you up, but not in a way that’s actually, you know, sexy. The CDD folks have you (thoroughly) covered with [Heirloom Intimates](http://shop.christiandomesticdiscipline.com/categoryNavigationDocument.hg?categoryId=18)! From chemises to pantaloons, and…well, that’s pretty much it. You can get your pantaloons in Basic or Beribboned, or even trimmed with eyelet! Or if you want it to be a real spanking to remember, go for the Short and Sassy model–show off (most of) those sexy knees! And if you really want to get that brief and unsatisfying sexual encounter out of the way in a hurry, all styles come in Regular or Crotchless! (Something about the phrase “crotchless pantaloons” really cracks me up.) ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/2 "2007-05-12T02:56:35Z")
> [@](#): > > He has the authority to spank his wife for punishment, but in real CDD marriages this is taken very seriously and usually happens only rarely. CDD is so much more than just spanking. It is the husband loving the wife enough to guide and teach her, and the wife loving the husband enough to follow his leadership. Holy fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/3 "2007-05-12T02:59:03Z")
Upon reading through that site, the whole thing is just surreal. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/4 "2007-05-12T03:08:36Z")
How can you have a “safe word” when you’re speaking in tounges? ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/5 "2007-05-12T03:16:03Z")
The funny thing is, historically a lot of those undergarments _were_ “crotchless” in that they didn’t have sewn seams in the crotch. The reason being that it’s hard enough to pee in hoop skirts as it is. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/6 "2007-05-12T03:22:56Z")
Actually those would go really well with my corset. And might make a long crowded subway rides more interesting. Nice to see the Christians can still get kinky. ---
**Author:** ![Roonwit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@Roonwit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roonwit)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/7 "2007-05-12T03:40:15Z")
[QUOTE=DoctorJ] And if you really want to get that brief and unsatisfying sexual encounter out of the way in a hurry, all styles come in Regular or Crotchless! [/QUOTE] Brief and unsatisfying? According to the CDD folks, getting thy freak on is part of the Divine Plan: > [@](#): > > Eroticism: > > Though we recognize by its very nature this subject can be erotic, we will keep this website as clean and wholesome as possible. However, we will not seek to deny the erotic nature of some CDD marriages as we believe it is a natural consequence of following God’s plan. After all, He created eroticism to be enjoyed inside a Christian marriage. Oh, wicked, wicked Zoot. Oh, she is a naughty person… ---
**Author:** ![Roonwit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@Roonwit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roonwit)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/8 "2007-05-12T04:03:51Z")
Curiouser and curiouser… > [@](#): > > What is Christian Domestic Discipline? > A domestic discipline marriage is one in which one partner in the marriage is given authority over the other and has the means to back the authority, usually by spanking. > > … > > [The husband] has the authority to spank his wife for punishment, but **in real CDD marriages this is taken very seriously and usually happens only rarely**. CDD is so much more than just spanking. It is the husband loving the wife enough to guide and teach her, and the wife loving the husband enough to follow his leadership. A Christian marriage embodies true romance and a Christian man a true hero. (emphasis mine) Unless of course you’re fortunate enough to have a particularly uppity bride, in which case, [Maintenance Discipline](http://blog.christiandomesticdiscipline.com/2007/04/14/mainrenance-discipline.aspx) might be necessary. > [@](#): > > Maintenance discipline is a practice of giving your wife regular spankings to maintain her proper behavior and attitude. From our experience when Kim receives this type of discipline she is more humble and her attitude is greatly improved. > Whether you as an HOH decide to conduct these on monthly, weekly or daily schedules is up to you, I have found that daily spanking work best for Kim. :dubious: "No, no, no. I didn’t say 'Who’s your _Father_?. I said ‘Who’s your _Daddy_’? ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/9 "2007-05-12T04:07:53Z")
> [@](#): > > A maintenance spanking will also give your wife the much needed stress relief that has built up since her last punishment spanking, allowing her tears to flow hence relieving her stress. … > [@](#): > > Remember that just as with a punishment spanking a maintenance spanking should be done long and hard enough to produce tears, allowing her to cry freely and release any stress she has built up, feeling the energy of your masculinity, and the love you both share for each other. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Bruin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Queen\_Bruin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Bruin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/10 "2007-05-12T05:02:47Z")
I am having simultaneous fits of hilarity and rage as I read this website. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/11 "2007-05-12T05:15:37Z")
Did anyone else laugh at the “[goDaddy.com](http://goDaddy.com)” ads at the bottom of each page? Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/12 "2007-05-12T05:18:10Z")
> [@](#): > > I am having simultaneous fits of hilarity and rage. That’s about how I felt about the whole thing. I think that’s why I focused my OP on the crotchless pantaloons–I just can’t seem to put any coherent thoughts together about the rest of the site. > [@](#): > > Brief and unsatisfying? According to the CDD folks, getting thy freak on is part of the Divine Plan: Yes, but did you read “The Wisdom Worker”? (It’s under Sample Chapters.) From the brief two paragraphs of sex that follow a seemingly endless barrage of beating: > [@](#): > > Though she didn’t feel like reaching her own climax, his lovemaking comforted Alyssa, and by the time he was through she had stopped crying and her heart felt much better. This story really pushed it over the line for me. This may be better suited for GD or IMHO, but I really wouldn’t call a relationship like this “consensual”. I mean, if she already believes that she is supposed to submit to her husband’s authority on everything, what is she going to do when he says he wants to start spanking her when she gets out of line? It’s not her place to say no. It’s not her place to say when it has gone too far. She might be choosing to live that way, but I’m not sure she’s making that choice with fully free agency. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/13 "2007-05-12T10:00:32Z")
Is this shit for real? Do (sane) people actually believe this stuff? Is there a large enough market to support this site? The crotchless pantaloons might be a trip but the books? I think/hope we’re all being whooshed. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/14 "2007-05-12T11:18:58Z")
[QUOTE=Anaamika] Holy fuck. [/QUOTE] [sic] ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/15 "2007-05-12T11:25:28Z")
Phew that’s a relief, the pantaloons are 100% muslin…I read it as Muslim at first ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/16 "2007-05-12T13:14:57Z")
[QUOTE=Zsofia] The funny thing is, historically a lot of those undergarments _were_ “crotchless” in that they didn’t have sewn seams in the crotch. The reason being that it’s hard enough to pee in hoop skirts as it is. [/QUOTE] True dat. I’m considering buying some for this summer at the Ren Faire - not only is crothless easier in Ye Olde Privies, but the length helps reduce sweaty thigh chafing. And this seems so much nicer than my bike shorts with a slit cut in the crotch! It’s just…I’m kind of afraid what mailing lists I’ll end up on if I buy from a site like this, y’know? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/17 "2007-05-12T13:37:11Z")
as I pointed out in the recent thread on codpieces, that odd male garment started life as a sort of “modesty patch” that covered the naughty bits when tunics started getting shorter, because male pantaloons were originally crotchless, too. I never heard of this CDD stuff before, though. Very interesting. “Maintenance spankings”? Good God! ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/18 "2007-05-12T13:48:27Z")
I’m just looking at the glossary. > [@](#): > > Arnica Gel: A topical gel (usually aloe for its cooling effect) made from a flowering perennial plant, Arnica Montana, which is thought beneficial in healing bruises, swelling, and pain. > > Corner time: An alternative form of punishment where a wife is required to stand facing a corner, often with her bottom on display, before, during, or after a spanking. > > Diaper Position: Spanking position where wife lies on her back with her legs raised upwards toward her head. > > Hand-Spanking: 1. A spanking given with the hand. 2. A light but stinging series of slaps administered to the palms of a wife’s hands when she fails to keep them out of the way during a spanking. > > Maintenance Journal: A record of a wife’s behavior presented to her husband before a scheduled maintenance spanking. > > Maintenance Spanking: Spankings given in regular intervals for the purpose of maintaining a submissive mindset in a wife, correcting minor faults, and/or reinforcing marital roles. > > Pre-emptive Spanking: A spanking given before an event or occasion where a wife has, in the past, had a difficult time with her behavior in the hopes the reminder will help her to behave, sparing her a more severe punishment spanking. > > Wrap-around effect: When using a long or flexible implement, the end is traveling faster than the middle of the implement, causing the end that wraps around the spankee to strike with more force than the middle. What I wonder about is, how are these people with their kids? So often, when you hear a “Now you can’t spank your kid without child services sticking their nose in!” story, it’s a fundie family, and “spanking” means hitting the face, the arm, the upper back, the bare butt, with a spoon, a switch, a belt, and usually for something that most parents don’t think calls for any punishment. So how does a husband “spanking” a wife have an erotic element, while a parent “spanking” a child does not? Is it like those clubs in England, where people wear school uniform, and they’re just playing at being kids in adult bodies? Or is the erotic element merely an afterthought, and the husband is supposed to have the same authority over his wife as he does his kids? ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/19 "2007-05-12T14:16:55Z")
> [@](#): > > What I wonder about is, how are these people with their kids? From the aforementioned tale “The Wisdom Worker”: > [@](#): > > She watched her step-daughter half skip across the yard to get into the little car her father had bought for her, hardly able to believe the change in the girl’s attitude. Though Jill-Ann had turned nineteen a week ago, Lucas spanked her with a belt last night for her belligerent, I’m-a-grown-woman-and-I’ll-do-what-I-want-attitude. It sure had made a difference. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2007, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799/20 "2007-05-12T14:24:20Z")
Wow. As I said above it’s nice to see Chirstians can get kinky. But why do they have to lay it all on god? How 'bout “We like it this way.” ? (ANd when does the guy get spanked?) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crotchless-pantaloons/403799.md?page=2)