# Cruz drops out of the race **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852 "2016-05-04T04:26:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/1 "2016-05-04T04:26:00Z")
There’s currently discussion about this in seperate threads, but I thought this deserved its own discussion. It would appear that Cruz was disappointed with his Indiana results, and so he dropped out. But all along, he was never going to win the required number of delegates. So it’s not as if the results of Indiana mattered. He was always going to try to keep Trump from 1254 (or whatever that number was) and then use his superior rule-gaming to try to yoink the nomination at a contested convention. So why did he drop out now? Was Trump inevitably going to hit 1254? Did Republicans tell him he would never ever be the candidate from a contested convention? Seems like a weird time for him to concede. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/2 "2016-05-04T04:32:46Z")
I am relieved. I just hope–or rather, don’t dare hope–this means he’s done. Not sneaking back in during a contested convention, not back in four years for more threats, just done. ---
**Author:** ![Mudshark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f04885/32.png) [@Mudshark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mudshark)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/3 "2016-05-04T04:35:49Z")
I have a feeling there was some behind the scenes pressure from the Republican powers that be. I have to say I’m glad. The idea of Ted Cruz as President was a terrifying thought. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/4 "2016-05-04T04:40:38Z")
I’ve been wondering if a contested convention would be better or worse for the Republicans. Obviously they want to just bypass the results of their primaries and pick someone else, Paul Ryan or whoever. But Trump has stirred up a lot of passion and it would really play into the anti-establishment theme of this election if they were to just ignore their voters and replace him with someone. I think the latter would’ve actually done more damage to the party - so many people would rabidly hate them for denying Trump what he won fairly. Does this mean Trump is pretty much guaranteed to get the nomination on the first ballot? ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/5 "2016-05-04T04:41:08Z")
Said they’d all have to kneel eventually. Kinda bittersweet; Trump is not ideal, just 10 x better than Cruz, Ryan, Clinton and Walker. Admittedly any random person grabbed off the street would meet this minimal bar. [Miss Fiorina must be pissed, after last week’s choice of her as Bride of Munster.] ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/6 "2016-05-04T04:44:09Z")
Did he have the money to stay in? Losers don’t raise funds like winners, and California is probably the most expensive state to campaign in. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/7 "2016-05-04T04:45:36Z")
I’ve been asking myself since hearing this news: Would I be any happier if Trump were the one dropping out and Cruz was the nod for the nomination? I have no clue. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/8 "2016-05-04T04:46:17Z")
I was wondering why Cruz decided to quit tonight, too. He had already been mathematically eliminated a week ago on April 26th, and the plan since then had been to force a contested convention. All I can figure is that perhaps donations have been drying up with the momentum in Trump’s favor, and he is out of money. Or maybe it was the breaking news from Trump this morning that Ted Cruz’s father was involved in the JFK assassination. :rolleyes: P.S. The magic number for the Republicans is 1,237 delegates to secure the nomination. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/9 "2016-05-04T04:46:55Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Does this mean Trump is pretty much guaranteed to get the nomination on the first ballot? [Reince says it’s done. All hail Donald. Donald, Donald, he’s our man…Glory hallelujah, Trump. Go team!](https://twitter.com/Reince/status/727665447684820992) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/10 "2016-05-04T04:48:56Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > [Miss Fiorina must be pissed, after last week’s choice of her as Bride of Munster.] On the bright side, she’s still only a heartbeat away from never being president of the United States. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/11 "2016-05-04T04:52:51Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > I’ve been asking myself since hearing this news: Would I be any happier if Trump were the one dropping out and Cruz was the nod for the nomination? > > I have no clue. There’s still a chance that Trump is the world’s greatest troll and would govern in a sane way. Cruz is guaranteed to be a disaster. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/12 "2016-05-04T04:54:27Z")
Also, if he doesn’t think he’ll win, and therefore is looking to the future for his future, what helps him more? Graciously bowing out and biding his time, or spending another month being buried in sleaze and losing yet more states by shocking double-digit margins? Maybe he even had internal numbers suggesting that his good states like Nebraska were not looking like the sure things they used to be. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/13 "2016-05-04T05:17:24Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > There’s still a chance that Trump is the world’s greatest troll and would govern in a sane way. Heh good luck with that. Something about a snowball and Hell come to mind. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/14 "2016-05-04T05:21:35Z")
Did many of you hear the discussion (so to speak) between Cruz and a group of Indiana citizens? It hurt. It severely hurt. Cruz was trying to talk, and they wouldn’t have it. He’d say something general, like, “What do you need?” and they shot back, “You’ll find out tomorrow. Indiana don’t want you.” Trump tried to make it a conversation. "The question everyone here should ask … " “Are you Canadian?” It was the only time this whole campaign I actually felt sympathy for the man. He was trying to engage, and got snuffed. And this is the heartland that he needed to make his own. When Indiana won’t even talk to you, you can’t be much of a Republican. I wonder if that might have been the moment, in Cruz’ personal mind and experience, when he knew he was done. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/15 "2016-05-04T05:51:23Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > There’s currently discussion about this in seperate threads, but I thought this deserved its own discussion. > > It would appear that Cruz was disappointed with his Indiana results, and so he dropped out. But all along, he was never going to win the required number of delegates. So it’s not as if the results of Indiana mattered. He was always going to try to keep Trump from 1254 (or whatever that number was) and then use his superior rule-gaming to try to yoink the nomination at a contested convention. > > So why did he drop out now? Was Trump inevitably going to hit 1254? Did Republicans tell him he would never ever be the candidate from a contested convention? Seems like a weird time for him to concede. Trump winning Indiana meant that New Jersey and California, where he appeared to have double-digit leads, would could put him over the 1237 delegates necessary to win the nomination on the first ballot. He was likely to win three or four of the remaining states besides, so no real chance for a contested convention without some fairly blatant rules-jiggering. Nevertheless, I would have thought Cruz would stay in until California, or maybe just before. As **Trinopus** mentioned, that disheartening confrontation with Trump supporters may have had an influence on the timing. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/16 "2016-05-04T06:02:33Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Did many of you hear the discussion (so to speak) between Cruz and a group of Indiana citizens? It hurt. It severely hurt. > > Cruz was trying to talk, and they wouldn’t have it. > > He’d say something general, like, “What do you need?” and they shot back, “You’ll find out tomorrow. Indiana don’t want you.” > > Trump tried to make it a conversation. "The question everyone here should ask … " > > “Are you Canadian?” > > It was the only time this whole campaign I actually felt sympathy for the man. He was trying to engage, and got snuffed. And this is the heartland that he needed to make his own. When Indiana won’t even talk to you, you can’t be much of a Republican. > > I wonder if that might have been the moment, in Cruz’ personal mind and experience, when he knew he was done. Yeah, those are the kind of people at the bottom of the very same barrel that Cruz used to pander to, but Trump out pandered him. He has nothing left. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/17 "2016-05-04T06:11:43Z")
My guess is that this means the Republican Party has accepted that Trump is going to be nominated and has decided to work with him rather than fight him. They’re going to start walking back all the anti-Trump rhetoric we’ve been hearing. Cruz’ lifeline of support has been the Republican establishment; he doesn’t have his own personal support base. If they cut him off, his campaign was dead. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/18 "2016-05-04T06:35:19Z")
I thought for sure this was going to be a hypothetical thread. I read what FiveThirtyEight said about about Indiana being the last chance, but since when do Republicans listen to that stuff? And even they pointed out that, while it is Trump’s nomination to lose, he still could lose it. As long as that is the case, giving up is just supporting the man. So I now join everyone else in viewing Cruz as worse than Trump. He’s got all that other shit, but he’s also now a Trump supporter. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/19 "2016-05-04T06:59:15Z")
[QUOTE=Trinopus] It was the only time this whole campaign I actually felt sympathy for the man. He was trying to engage, and got snuffed. [/quote] Unless he’s into a _really_ weird home movie scene, I’ll guess you meant ‘ **snubbed** ’. Still, I agree: surly little fuckers. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cruz-drops-out-of-the-race/753852/20 "2016-05-04T09:39:13Z")
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