# Cry in school, go to jail **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 21, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681 "2006-04-21T20:26:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2006, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/21 "2006-04-21T22:22:49Z")
WTF is wrong with people? I’d like to hear the school stand by this one and explain it. ☹ Poor kid. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2006, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/22 "2006-04-21T22:28:04Z")
Sorry. I don’t see the big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2006, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/23 "2006-04-21T22:37:04Z")
There is someone in my daughter’s kindergarten class prone to tantrums. Mom left and Dad is raising her. She hasn’t seem Mom in months. She may have some additional issues (she is apparently very smart, just has some emotional maturity issues and perhaps some mental health ones). At least twice this year the girl has had - according to my daughter - room clearing tantrums. That is, the kindergarten teacher takes all the kids in to the hall while this girl lets loose, the social worker or principal come down and talk the girl down, then class goes on normally. That seems like a more appropriate response. ---
**Author:** ![Tinkertoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f19dbf/32.png) [@Tinkertoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tinkertoy)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2006, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/24 "2006-04-21T23:34:38Z")
[QUOTE=appleciders] It’s true that there’s a world of difference between juvie and “real” jail, but I doubt a seven year old can tell the difference. **Tinkertoy** , you say this happened six months ago? What eventually came of it? [/QUOTE] This just came to light in yesterday’s paper. As far as I have heard the judge dismissed the charges, however there is still a child protection case aimed at the mother. As if this is her fault. She pulled her kids out of this district and moved about 50 miles away to another county. Hopefully the lawyer will file suit and somebody will have to answer for this. Preferably County Prosecutor Paul Laggis who in my humble opinion is a total ass. This is not his first fuckup and unforunately won’t be his last. ---
**Author:** ![Tinkertoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f19dbf/32.png) [@Tinkertoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tinkertoy)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2006, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/25 "2006-04-21T23:36:44Z")
[QUOTE=Tinkertoy] This is not his first fuckup and unforunately won’t be his last. [/QUOTE] Unfortunately I can’t spell. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2006, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/26 "2006-04-21T23:41:38Z")
[QUOTE=jjimm] Sorry. I don’t see the big deal. [/QUOTE] I assume **jjimm** is being funny. He is failing, of course, which is nothing new. ---
**Author:** ![Autumn\_Almanac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@Autumn\_Almanac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autumn_Almanac)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/27 "2006-04-22T00:12:54Z")
[QUOTE=Dangerosa] That seems like a more appropriate response. [/QUOTE] In fairness, I’d say there is a certain point where you need to remove the kid from the class rather than force the class to accommodate their disruptions. There’s a lot of potentially pertinent information missing from that article, such as whether the tantrum was a single occurence or a chronic problem, and whether the kid became so violent that he was in danger of harming himself. However… three days in jail for a seven year old??? It blows me away that that could have even crossed anyone’s mind as an appropriate way to handle the situation, no matter what the particulars were. It’s shameful. ---
**Author:** ![ethanwinfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/96bed5/32.png) [@ethanwinfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ethanwinfield)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/28 "2006-04-22T00:26:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Fabian was seated at a desk inside a small cubicle in American Falls **Principle** Kay Jones’ office. Maybe they should focus their resources on teaching spelling. I have a co-worker from this area. This explains a lot about him. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/29 "2006-04-22T01:07:11Z")
You and me, we play on swings, bodies all climbing on the jungle jims. Color those pictures, Jill and her pail throw a little fit, and you lands in jail ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/30 "2006-04-22T01:10:42Z")
Isn’t there any middle ground anymore? The subject heading of the OP is misleading. He wasn’t sent to jail for “crying” in school. But when you are a seven year old child, you shouldn’t spend three days in jail for throwing a tantrum and disrupting a class either. We don’t know much about the nature of the tantrum and whether or not he was a danger to himself, other children or school property. Apparently, some of you have never seen the damage a seven year old in combat mode and without a parent present can do. For the sake of the other children and their learning environment, there needs to be a _reasonable_ and immediate intervention of some sort, but **not jail time** in juvenile for more than a couple of hours. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/31 "2006-04-22T01:14:30Z")
If the tantrum was that severe, I would imagine that the kid would make himself sick before too long. How can they legally keep a SEVEN year old in a fucking jail for three days? Jesus Christ, THESE are the people in charge of the law? I’d be damned fucking scared. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/32 "2006-04-22T01:26:06Z")
[QUOTE=Zebra] You and me, we play on swings, bodies all climbing on the jungle jims. Color those pictures, Jill and her pail throw a little fit, and you lands in jail [/QUOTE] Genius! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/33 "2006-04-22T01:28:02Z")
[QUOTE=Zebra] You and me, we play on swings, bodies all climbing on the jungle jims. Color those pictures, Jill and her pail throw a little fit, and you lands in jail [/QUOTE] Young child convict That young child convict… ---
**Author:** ![Chotii](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@Chotii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chotii)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/34 "2006-04-22T06:38:59Z")
As a parent of two almost-7-year-old children, I can only say this: every time I hear a story about something absolutely idiotic and unassailable (pardon me, I mean ‘policy’) in public schools…like the ‘no tolerance’ drug policies that won’t let a kid eat a piece of candy that looks like medicine, much less actually take medicine, even medicine they need (like asthma inhaler)… (And I’m sure you’ve all read stories like this out of the news…kids expelled over medicine-shaped candy, kids who die because the no tolerance rules won’t let them use their inhalers, or who get suspended over a drawing of a space-man gun…or whatever) I am so glad I have the chance to homeschool. Yeah, I’ll make some mistakes, but I won’t make them by committee, and I don’t have them down immutable where One-Size-Fits-All Rules Must Be Followed, Or Else. That poor little boy. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/35 "2006-04-22T08:20:15Z")
[QUOTE=saoirse] I assume **jjimm** is being funny. He is failing, of course, which is nothing new. [/QUOTE] 1. I apologise for that post; I admit it was ill considered and wasn’t indeed funny. 2. However, I didn’t know I have some kind of failed-humour reputation. Do elaborate! ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/36 "2006-04-22T08:42:53Z")
:eek: I don’t know what I expected when I saw this thread’s title, but _holy fucking shit_. I think I’m going to look into a vasectomy. ---
**Author:** ![TastesLikeBurning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@TastesLikeBurning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TastesLikeBurning)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/37 "2006-04-22T08:48:20Z")
[QUOTE=jjimm] 1. I apologise for that post; I admit it was ill considered and wasn’t indeed funny. 2. However, I didn’t know I have some kind of failed-humour reputation. Do elaborate! [/QUOTE] I laughed. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/38 "2006-04-22T10:39:42Z")
[QUOTE=TastesLikeBurning] I laughed. [/QUOTE] Well I guess some people are easy to please. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![irishgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@irishgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irishgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/39 "2006-04-22T12:34:14Z")
Now, what, may I ask is the punishment for an ADULT in that town for causing a breach of the peace/public order offences? Would someone who, say, stood in the town square and yelled at the top of their lungs for an hour be held in jail for three days? Would they be eligile for bail? Could they pay a fine instead of being incarcerated? Personally, I’m a fan of _dolci incapax_. In the UK for example, children are only deemed legally responsible for their actions (no matter what the action might be) after the age of 14. Children under the age of 10 are deemed incapable of criminal intent. Chidren between 10-14 are not considered criminally responsible unless the prosecution can prove _mens rea_. Seems sensible to me. The child was removed from the situation, and his mother wanted to take him home- there was no need for him to be detained or charged. ---
**Author:** ![FenneF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c0e974/32.png) [@FenneF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FenneF)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681/40 "2006-04-22T12:59:48Z")
Good God, that’s horrible! There are obviously some sick people in this world. But nobody directly involved saw any problem with this? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cry-in-school-go-to-jail/353681.md?page=3)