# Cryin Ass Republicans With All The Power **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 20, 2018, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072 "2018-01-20T21:05:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/41 "2018-01-21T10:25:14Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > There can not be a sadder spectacle when one remembers that he is getting it from 5 time deferments Mr Bone Spurs… That’s[Cadet Bone Spurs,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTeBm0N59TE)to you. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/42 "2018-01-21T14:26:47Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > … He had to skip his party at Mar-a-Lago. > … OH NOES!! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/43 "2018-01-21T15:17:09Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Do you not understand that we need 60 votes to pass the Senate? Are you aware that Republicans only have 54 seats in the Senate? > > This shutdown belongs solely to the Democrats. They would rather stand up for illegal aliens than pay our soldiers. Says volumes about their lack of ethics. Sen. McCaskill (D) put up a resolution to keep paying the military. Majority Leader McConnell (R) objected, and killed it. Sent from my HTC U11 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/44 "2018-01-21T15:27:39Z")
“Schumer Shutdown” does slip off the tongue quite well though. To his idiot supporters, that’s all the evidence they need. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/45 "2018-01-21T15:38:58Z")
It’s kind of like a football team whining that they lost the Super Bowl because the other team didn’t want to help them win. To paraphrase some Republican about 8 years ago - “We’re the opposition party. We oppose. That’s what we do” Democrats don’t want to help advance the Republican agenda. They’d rather do nothing. Get it? Fucking snowflakes. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/46 "2018-01-21T15:46:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, and then Democrats/liberals began insulting and reviling everyone who took even a slightly different view than they, and then after a few decades of that shit the Republicans started playing the same game, and here we are now. What country are you from? In the 80’s the GOP conservatives managed to turn the word ‘liberal’ into a vile insult such that no-one wanted to be called that. Methinks you are projecting just a tad. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/47 "2018-01-21T15:46:43Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I did have a wee giggle earlier… was watching coverage of the Women’s March in New York as they had Trump’s tweet up that exhorted women to come out and “celebrate” his first year in office, just as a woman walked by with a large sign that unmistakably read, “Fuck Trump!” > > It’s a toss-up if this was my favorite sign or the one another woman held that read, “Where to start?” > > (Had hoped to attend my own local march with friends but am instead icing a knee that got bingled during a hike earlier this week. Timing of that sucked.) I started yelling “Lock him up” as the march went past the Trump Parc building and the entire crowd took up the chant. And I had this awesome hot pink hat with a fur band and a huge pom-pom that I bought from a street vendor. Good times. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/48 "2018-01-21T16:02:21Z")
Its called the filibuster. The last shutdown was a minority party shutting down the government over Obamacare. This time a minority party is shutting down the government over DACA. The only real difference that isthat there was no chance of the 2013 shutdown accomplishing anything. Democrats were never going to repeal Obamcare. This time Republicans seem to be open to the idea of doing something about DACA but they just keep finding reasons not to. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/49 "2018-01-21T17:14:19Z")
> [@Daddypants](#): > > Sen. McCaskill (D) put up a resolution to keep paying the military. Majority Leader McConnell (R) objected, and killed it. Of course he did because McConnell is essentially and unironically the cartoonish villain from every B-movie you’ve ever seen. He doesn’t seem to have an agenda of his own other than being an obstructionist penis wart. Even Paul Ryan at least has a reason to exist (P-90X workouts and hypocritically eliminating public benefits to people in ned) but the only thing getting McConnell out of bed in the morning is the opportunity to show off his shit-eating turtle snapper of a grin and give the cameras a thumb’s up after engaging in closed door shenanigans to fuck the American public (including his voters) in order please his corporate benefactors. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The only real difference that isthat there was no chance of the 2013 shutdown accomplishing anything. Democrats were never going to repeal Obamcare. This time Republicans seem to be open to the idea of doing something about DACA but they just keep finding reasons not to. Even though there is [THREAD=20682368]no practical, ethical, or fiscal benefit to eleminating the DACA order[/THREAD], and the only real reason to do so is to make the xenophobic point that “America is for Americans!” which is just short of chanting, [“White is right!”](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/01/07/what-has-me-back-on-my-trump-is-destroying-america-soapbox/) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/50 "2018-01-21T17:37:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, and then Democrats/liberals began insulting and reviling everyone who took even a slightly different view than they, and then after a few decades of that shit the Republicans started playing the same game, and here we are now. So decades ago the Democrats are to blame for today’s shutdown because the Republicans are imitating them. That’s kind of a stretch, don’t you think? Political insulting and reviling everyone with a slightly different view began thousands of years ago, before the birth of Christ. Are you listening to Rush Limbaugh archives from the Reagan-Bush era or something? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/51 "2018-01-21T17:53:07Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, and then Democrats/liberals began insulting and reviling everyone who took even a slightly different view than they, and then after a few decades of that shit the Republicans started playing the same game, and here we are now. Come on, you know better than that. You must be a conservative in liberal country. I grew up in the 80s, somewhat conservative, but by the 90s turned liberal. Around my neck of the woods, growing up, liberals were very much constantly insulted by the right. “Liberal,” as mentioned, was a four-letter word in the 80s. It really is a matter of perspective, here. I sincerely believe that you think what you believe is true. But my experience, it’s exactly 180 degrees the opposite. And I grew up in Democratic Chicago. I can’t imagine what it was like for liberals in even more conservative areas. It’s definitely not a one side started this type of situation. That is just utter horseshit. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/52 "2018-01-21T17:53:25Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > “Schumer Shutdown” does slip off the tongue quite well though. So does “Trump Travesty.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/53 "2018-01-21T18:07:14Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Come on, you know better than that. You must be a conservative in liberal country. I grew up in the 80s, somewhat conservative, but by the 90s turned liberal. Around my neck of the woods, growing up, liberals were very much constantly insulted by the right. “Liberal,” as mentioned, was a four-letter word in the 80s. It really is a matter of perspective, here. I sincerely believe that you think what you believe is true. But my experience, it’s exactly 180 degrees the opposite. And I grew up in Democratic Chicago. I can’t imagine what it was like for liberals in even more conservative areas. > > It’s definitely not a one side started this type of situation. That is just utter horseshit. [Barry Goldwater](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater#U.S._presidential_campaign,_1964)(R) 1964 > [@](#): > > I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/54 "2018-01-21T18:13:15Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > So does “Trump Travesty.” It’s kinda non-specific, though. Which one? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/55 "2018-01-21T18:31:14Z")
Schumer says in his meeting with Chump the other day, he actually went ahead and agreed to funding for the wall in order to get DACA funded and avoid a shutdown. Said Chump then agreed to the deal. Then called Schumer later and tried to add more conditions. I don’t think Schumer should have agreed to a penny of funding for any wall, but that’s beside the point. He caved to Chump’s main demand, but Chump just couldn’t take yes for an answer. It would seem that John Kelly, the only other person present at the meeting, overrode the president and made him call Schumer with the extra demand. The White House is denying all of this including Schumer’s acquiescence. So someone is lying here. Hmm, now who would be more likely to be the liar here? Hmm, I wonder. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/56 "2018-01-21T19:26:18Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Schumer says in his meeting with Chump the other day, he actually went ahead and agreed to funding for the wall in order to get DACA funded and avoid a shutdown. Said Chump then agreed to the deal. Then called Schumer later and tried to add more conditions. I don’t think Schumer should have agreed to a penny of funding for any wall, but that’s beside the point. He caved to Chump’s main demand, but Chump just couldn’t take yes for an answer. It would seem that John Kelly, the only other person present at the meeting, overrode the president and made him call Schumer with the extra demand. The White House is denying all of this including Schumer’s acquiescence. So someone is lying here. Hmm, now who would be more likely to be the liar here? Hmm, I wonder. I think this goes to the core of Trump’s lack of ability to negotiate. Because in his mind, the only “fair” deal is one where Trump gets everything he wants and humiliates the other side. But sometimes he actually has to agree to deal that approaches fair. And afterwards, he stews and stews and makes himself out to be a victim because he had to give up something, no matter how trivial. Then he paints the other party as the enemy and does everything he can to negate the deal. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/57 "2018-01-21T20:00:20Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > It’s kinda non-specific, though. Which one? It’s a catch-all term for the last year, and presumably the next three, although I think we should be prepared with a backup term just in case…well, you know. Maybe “Pence Perversion”? > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I don’t think Schumer should have agreed to a penny of funding for any wall, but that’s beside the point. He caved to Chump’s main demand, but Chump just couldn’t take yes for an answer. Can’t take yes for an answer? Hell, he can’t even accept that he won election without claiming it was still rigged ‘against’ him. He’s not just a sore winner, he’s a vexatious victor who must insist that everything about what he does is the greatliest, most beautiful, bigly important. He’s like a small child who has yet to develop a theory of mind that anyone else actually exists and whose parents indulge his every demand and whim. > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I think this goes to the core of Trump’s lack of ability to negotiate. Because in his mind, the only “fair” deal is one where Trump gets everything he wants and humiliates the other side. > But sometimes he actually has to agree to deal that approaches fair. And afterwards, he stews and stews and makes himself out to be a victim because he had to give up something, no matter how trivial. Then he paints the other party as the enemy and does everything he can to negate the deal. Which is exactly what is described in _The Art of the Deal_. I don’t know why anyone is suprised by this; if you’ve read twenty pages of the book (and there is little reason to read more as it is just repetition and self-aggrandizement, written by a ghostwriter specifically to feed Trump’s bloated ego) then you know everything worth knowing about Trump’s strategic approach to anything: be bombastic and boastful, demand and then deny, and of course, lie perneciously until you get what you want. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/58 "2018-01-21T20:13:43Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I started yelling “Lock him up” as the march went past the Trump Parc building and the entire crowd took up the chant. And I had this awesome hot pink hat with a fur band and a huge pom-pom that I bought from a street vendor. Good times. I wish I had seen you!! Well done, **Ann Hedonia**!! ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/59 "2018-01-21T20:19:00Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nah, the real lack of ethics comes from big lies like that one you are repeating. > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/01/19/trump-misfires-with-claim-that-military-would-shut-down-during-government-shutdown/?utm\_term=.bcfbd46b819e](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/01/19/trump-misfires-with-claim-that-military-would-shut-down-during-government-shutdown/?utm_term=.bcfbd46b819e) > > Soldiers will continue to be paid, and as usual I expect right wingers like you to be more upset with people telling you the straight dope rather than taking to task the ones that are misleading you into sounding like a dummy. You don’t like the pay the soldiers line? Here, I’ll fix it for ya: Democrats would rather stand with illegal aliens and shut down the friggin’ government rather than stand for the citizens. True definition of DACA: Democrats Against Citizens of America. This is squarely on the Democrats. And come mid-term time, I hope that every one of those ratbags that is running for re-election has his face ground in it by the opposition. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072/60 "2018-01-21T20:21:34Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I think this goes to the core of Trump’s lack of ability to negotiate. Because in his mind, the only “fair” deal is one where Trump gets everything he wants and humiliates the other side. > But sometimes he actually has to agree to deal that approaches fair. And afterwards, he stews and stews and makes himself out to be a victim because he had to give up something, no matter how trivial. Then he paints the other party as the enemy and does everything he can to negate the deal. Particularly galling, because the Durbin/Graham bipartisan agreement would have passed the Senate, and likely the House (despite the Freedom Fuckers), if only McConnell and Ryan had been willing to bring it to the floor for a vote. Under that scenario, they would have had no problem with the cloture vote, either. It’s complete bullshit that the Dems – or even moderate, reasonable Republicans – had anything to do with the shutdown. They did exactly what Trump asked them to do on Thursday the 11th on camera: Bring him a negotiated deal, he would sign it and “take the heat.” They did. He didn’t. The ones who forced a government shutdown are Miller, Kelly, Cotton, Perdue, McConnell, Ryan… and of course, Trump. Expect this shutdown to go on for quite a long while. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryin-ass-republicans-with-all-the-power/807072.md?page=4)