# Cryptic overlaps

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [June 25, 2021, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983 "2021-06-25T03:30:58Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2082 "2023-04-17T21:16:58Z")

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GEPPETTO (‘peg’ backwards, then ‘pet to’)

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Gore starts a thread to say hi to this gem of a dearly departed poster (4)

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2083 "2023-04-17T21:23:29Z")

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OPAL (OP + Al)

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A lasting American memorial or another historical cover-up? (5)

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**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2084 "2023-04-18T00:22:45Z")

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> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> A lasting American memorial or another historical cover-up? (5)

ALAMO (initials)

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You’d never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy than this fracking mosey isle. (3, 6)

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**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2085 "2023-04-18T02:42:23Z")

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> [@Oly](#):
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> RATS (star anagram)

Not anagram. Reversal. Reversals of words that aren’t directly in the clue but are represented by a synonym are allowed under Ximenean guidelines.

Anagrams need to be in the clue itself to be Ximenean.

(The “upset” can be both an anagram clue and a reversal clue, especially if in a crossword the answer is a Down clue.)

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**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2086 "2023-04-18T09:05:22Z")

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Huh, we used to have a poster here called @Ximenean - never looked up the origin of it, didn’t realise it was to do with crosswords. Thanks!

> [@Knowed\_Out](#):
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> You’d never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy than this fracking mosey isle. (3, 6)

MOS EISLEY (mosey isle\*)

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Carl sounds not so old (5)

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**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2087 "2023-04-18T11:40:29Z")

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> [@Dead\_Cat](#):
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> Carl sounds not so old (5)

YOUNG (Jung)

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Who’s next on the show? Formica, or the Japanese robot? (8)

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**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2088 "2023-04-18T19:04:44Z")

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> [@Dead\_Cat](#):
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> Huh, we used to have a poster here called @Ximenean - never looked up the origin of it, didn’t realise it was to do with crosswords. Thanks!

Yeah, I remember him. I recall he was really into cryptic crosswords and it was the source of his board handle.

BTW, here’s some info on the term, including a link to the Wikipedia page on the original Ximenes.

> **[Crossword Unclued: What are Ximenean clues?](https://www.crosswordunclued.com/2010/01/what-are-ximenean-clues.html)**
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> A few years ago, I came across the word 'Ximenean' in an esoteric discussion on a crossword forum. A clue was being scoffed at for being dev...

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**Author:** ![Oly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oly/32/8255_2.png) [@Oly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oly)\
**Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2089 "2023-04-20T14:50:17Z")

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> [@Knowed\_Out](#):
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> Who’s next on the show? Formica, or the Japanese robot? (8)

Guesting?

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**Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2090 "2023-04-20T15:40:35Z")

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The answer involves synonyms for “show” and “Formica” (not the plastic).

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**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2091 "2023-04-22T13:17:20Z")

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The theme music is one of the songs on this album.

> **[Saturday Morning: Cartoons' Greatest Hits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Morning:_Cartoons%27_Greatest_Hits)**
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> Saturday Morning: Cartoons' Greatest Hits is a tribute album of songs from Saturday morning children's television shows and cartoons (mostly) from the 1960s and 1970s. The project was produced by Ralph Sall, with the songs performed by alternative rock artists. It was released in 1995 by MCA on LP, cassette, and CD, and peaked at #67 on the Billboard 200. Promotion for the album included a comic book from Marvel Comics and a music video collection hosted by Drew Barrymore (MCA Home Video M ^ Shi...

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**Post date:** [April 23, 2023, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2092 "2023-04-23T04:13:28Z")

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Must be GIGANTOR (gig + ant + or)

I have never heard about it, but it looks cool.

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Insider info about Eric: He’s the most well heeled. (7)

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**Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2093 "2023-04-24T08:12:38Z")

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RICHEST (E **ric he’s t** he)

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Time to get on with one - a country (7)

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**Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2094 "2023-04-24T12:18:31Z")

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ESTONIA (EST [Eastern Standard Time] + ON + 1 [= I] + A)

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Something huge happened before the current era, all at the same time (2,4)

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**Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2095 "2023-04-24T13:57:01Z")

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AT ONCE (a ton, plus CE (common/current era))

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Roman goddes (sic) of agriculture takes cash (except euro) for special event (8)

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**Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2096 "2023-04-24T15:19:11Z")

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> [@Dead\_Cat](#):
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> Roman goddes (sic) of agriculture takes cash (except euro) for special event (8)

CEREMONY (Ceres - s + money - e)

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New Yorker enters lunkhead’s body looking for gemstone. (4)

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**Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2097 "2023-04-24T17:05:09Z")

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ONYX (NY inside OX)

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They thought it was a marimba, but it wouldn’t sound the same. (9)

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**Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2098 "2023-04-25T10:13:39Z")

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I think it must be XYLOPHONE, but I’m not fully parsing it I don’t think - is there a double meaning in there I’m missing?

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Truthfully, one hour with no style is torturous (8)

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**Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2099 "2023-04-25T10:56:33Z")

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> [@Dead\_Cat](#):
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> Truthfully, one hour with no style is torturous (8)

HONESTLY (h + no + style)

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Cowardly Rock hides in caldera. (11)

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**Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2100 "2023-04-25T11:47:01Z")

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[xylophone etymologically means “wooden sound”]

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**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\
**Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cryptic-overlaps/944983/2101 "2023-04-25T12:28:07Z")

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Duh - I knew that, just completely failed to pick up on “wouldn’t sound” in the clue - thanks!

YELLOWSTONE

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Yet always the greater (12)

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