# CSN&Y De Javu album, Underrated? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 12, 2015, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331 "2015-06-12T06:16:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dibbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dibbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dibbs)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/21 "2015-06-12T17:33:38Z")
> [@stillownedbysetters](#): > > Excellent and well-appreciated music then, and the same now. I think it gets ‘lost’ for a while and rediscovered again, but I wouldn’t say its underappreciated. Underappreciated is a better word than I used, but it wouldn’t fit in the title box.☹ ---
**Author:** ![Dibbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dibbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dibbs)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/22 "2015-06-12T17:34:43Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > It’s not as good an album as _Ab Erode_. Never heard of it.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Dibbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dibbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dibbs)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/23 "2015-06-12T17:36:10Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Exactly. In my younger days, I thought that it was actually a greatest hits compilation. It’s for sure loaded with great songs.🙂 And I like the cover, too. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/24 "2015-06-12T18:15:10Z")
> [@Dibbs](#): > > And I like the cover, too. The original LP cover, with the textured paper, gold print, and glued-on sepia-tone photo, was very cool indeed. Didn’t take well to rubbing up against other albums in a collection, though. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/25 "2015-06-12T18:17:48Z")
> [@Dibbs](#): > > Underappreciated is a better word than I used, but it wouldn’t fit in the title box.☹ Apparently, neither did the actual album title. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/26 "2015-06-12T18:20:49Z")
_Crosby, Stills, & Nash_ is a perfect album and gets more awesome with age. _Déjà Vu_, though I once liked it better, has not held up over the years. I’d put it third after _CSN_. ---
**Author:** ![stillownedbysetters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/41988e/32.png) [@stillownedbysetters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stillownedbysetters)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/27 "2015-06-12T18:24:07Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > It’s not as good an album as _Ab Erode_. I prefer that great anthem of the foot massage industry **Rub 'Er Sole** ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/28 "2015-06-12T18:29:52Z")
IMHO, it’s an uneven album. “Carry On” and “Helpless” are _great_ songs. I don’t think the Graham Nash songs (“Teach Your Children” and “Our House”) have held up that well over time, though they’re still OK. If “Almost Cut My Hair” or “Everybody I Love You” hadn’t been on the album, would anyone have missed them? The other songs are OK but not great, with Neil Young’s “Country Girl” medley being the best of them. Hell, on all three of their original albums, they only managed one solid side of really good songs: side 2 of [_4-Way Street_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_Way_Street#Track_listing). Fortunately, their good stuff was very good indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Dibbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dibbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dibbs)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/29 "2015-06-12T18:38:39Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Apparently, neither did the actual album title. 🙂 But I thought I’d already begged for forgiveness, no?:mad: ---
**Author:** ![Dibbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dibbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dibbs)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/30 "2015-06-12T18:40:29Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > _Crosby, Stills, & Nash_ is a perfect album and gets more awesome with age. _Déjà Vu_, though I once liked it better, has not held up over the years. I’d put it third after _CSN_. The album held up fine, it was something else that deteriorated.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dibbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dibbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dibbs)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/31 "2015-06-12T18:46:47Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > IMHO, it’s an uneven album. “Carry On” and “Helpless” are _great_ songs. I don’t think the Graham Nash songs (“Teach Your Children” and “Our House”) have held up that well over time, though they’re still OK. If “Almost Cut My Hair” or “Everybody I Love You” hadn’t been on the album, would anyone have missed them? The other songs are OK but not great, with Neil Young’s “Country Girl” medley being the best of them. > > Hell, on all three of their original albums, they only managed one solid side of really good songs: side 2 of [_4-Way Street_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_Way_Street#Track_listing). Fortunately, their good stuff was very good indeed. I think the album is about as much of a masterpiece as an album can get and, if I’m not mistaken, I think the brilliant, beautiful and talented Joni Mitchell had a lot to do with it being so good (if not from direct input, then at least inspiration, as she was romantically pursued by some of the dudes in the group). ---
**Author:** ![Dibbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dibbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dibbs)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/32 "2015-06-12T18:56:04Z")
Oh boy, this isn’t my day. I just clicked into the link I provided earlier and discovered to my horror that it’s not the whole album after all. Due to copy-rights a bunch of songs have been deleted, sorry about that, people. ---
**Author:** ![stillownedbysetters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/41988e/32.png) [@stillownedbysetters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stillownedbysetters)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/33 "2015-06-12T20:21:49Z")
> [@Dibbs](#): > > I think the album is about as much of a masterpiece as an album can get and, if I’m not mistaken, I think the brilliant, beautiful and talented Joni Mitchell had a lot to do with it being so good (if not from direct input, then at least inspiration, as she was romantically pursued by some of the dudes in the group). With Joni Mitchell (Nash) and Judy Collins (Stills) providing both inspiration and collaboration, it’s not surprise that was some sublime music. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/34 "2015-06-12T20:42:22Z")
> [@Dibbs](#): > > The album held up fine, it was something else that deteriorated.😃 The hell are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/35 "2015-06-12T21:21:19Z")
I often mistakenly refer to Grahamna Sh as Grahampa Rker. mmm ---
**Author:** ![Dibbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dibbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dibbs)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/36 "2015-06-12T21:35:55Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > The hell are you talking about? Your taste in music, sir.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/37 "2015-06-12T21:59:05Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > I often mistakenly refer to Grahamna Sh as Grahampa Rker. As long as you don’t refer to him as Grahamcra Cker. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/38 "2015-06-12T23:16:41Z")
A masterpiece. I have it on vinyl and put it on the turntable and let it take me away, away. Loved it from the day I bought it unto this very day. Carry On! ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2015, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/39 "2015-06-13T01:08:42Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > The original LP cover, with the textured paper, gold print, and glued-on sepia-tone photo, was very cool indeed. A most excellent cover. I have a concert tape of them from those days, and some drunk/high girl can be heard yelling, “Where’s Taylor and Reeves?!” > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > _Crosby, Stills, & Nash_ is a perfect album and gets more awesome with age. _Déjà Vu_, though I once liked it better, has not held up over the years. I’d put it third after _CSN_. The 1975 album, called just CSN (and IIRC was a photograph sticker of them on Crosby’s boat) is, to me, their masterpiece. I’ve seen them live like 30 times, and always like when they play something off of that album. ---
**Author:** ![Dibbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dibbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dibbs)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2015, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331/40 "2015-06-13T01:48:54Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > A masterpiece. I have it on vinyl and put it on the turntable and let it take me away, away. Loved it from the day I bought it unto this very day. Carry On! Like Neil Young lamented; vinyl is just richer, deeper and better than music off CDs. (Not his exact words, but pretty close.:D) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/csn-y-de-javu-album-underrated/722331.md?page=3)