# CTHD: What kind of barbarian was Lo? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 20, 2001, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cthd-what-kind-of-barbarian-was-lo/55250 "2001-02-20T21:18:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2001, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cthd-what-kind-of-barbarian-was-lo/55250/1 "2001-02-20T21:18:19Z")
Saw _Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon_ for the second time. This time I wondered what ethnic group the barbarian bandito “Lo” was supposed to belong to. It’s probably stated outright in the original novel by Wang Dulu, _Wo Hu Cang Long_, but the book hasn’t been translated into English. Anybody read it in Chinese? In the film’s dialogue, Lo makes it plain that he’s different from the Han Chinese. I caught hints that he might be some sort of Turkic rather than Mongol. The desert badlands sequence was filmed in Xinjiang, the land of the Turkic Uyghurs, in the Taklimakan Desert (but some of it was also filmed in Inner Mongolia’s Gobi Desert). When Lo sings to Jen as she bathes, the lyrics sounded un-Chinese. Can any Chinese speakers confirm this? I thought I heard the word _guzel_, which is Turkish for ‘beautiful’, which would be appropriate considering he’s singing to Jen. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2001, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cthd-what-kind-of-barbarian-was-lo/55250/2 "2001-02-21T02:01:12Z")
I had thought he was supposed to be a Mongol, but now that I think of it, I can’t think why I thought that. Where was Jen’s family going when they were attacked? Sorry I’ve got no information, but here’s a bump. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2001, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cthd-what-kind-of-barbarian-was-lo/55250/3 "2001-02-21T05:00:16Z")
Thanks for the bump! 🙂 Another possibility is the Salar ethnic group that inhabits Gansu province. They are also Turkic and closely related to the Uyghurs. But since the scenes were obviously filmed in Xinjiang, most likely that’s meant to imply that he’s Uyghur. IINM (if I’m not mistaken), the caravan was taking Jen’s family from Xinjiang to Beijing. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2001, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cthd-what-kind-of-barbarian-was-lo/55250/4 "2001-02-21T17:40:40Z")
There is a modern Map of China on this page ([Columbia SIPA | School of International and Public Affairs](http://sipa.columbia.edu/ICRP/map-china.html)) and Beijing looks “close” to the Mongolian boarder. I can’t find a legend to tell me how far it really is. There’s an 1801CE (was that when the movie was supposed to be? Or was it 1900?, obviously I need to go see it again. 🙂 ) map, [http://usm.maine.edu/maps/exhibit7/69.jpg](http://usm.maine.edu/maps/exhibit7/69.jpg) but my screen is not good enough to really make anything out of it. There is an Ethnographic Map (1873) ([http://usm.maine.edu/maps/exhibit7/55.jpg](http://usm.maine.edu/maps/exhibit7/55.jpg)) with some visible text. Looks like the person who made it believed the Mongols were much further south than the current boarders. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2001, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cthd-what-kind-of-barbarian-was-lo/55250/5 "2001-02-21T18:29:10Z")
**xtal** , take a closer look at that “ethnographic” map. It shows “Mongolians” all through China and into Southeast Asia. But look farther west. It shows “Germanics” extending from Europe all the way through Iran and India. Clearly they are not showing nationalities but “races” as defined in the 19th century. (Apparently they thought “Germanic” was synonymous with “Indo-European.”) Note their smug assertion in the text that the “Mongolian” race is “inferior” to the white race. WTF? Damn, the blatant arrogance of their racism makes me angry. ---
**Author:** ![Zarathustra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/898d66/32.png) [@Zarathustra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zarathustra)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2001, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cthd-what-kind-of-barbarian-was-lo/55250/6 "2001-02-21T18:45:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by xtal \* > **I had thought he was supposed to be a Mongol, but now that I think of it, I can’t think why I thought that.** Maybe because in the final flashback scene, just before Jen goes back to her family, we see Jen and Lo in a verdant valley, standing in front of a yurt? BTW, when Lo tried to break up the wedding, wasn’t he calling to Jen to come back with him to Xinjiang? ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2001, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cthd-what-kind-of-barbarian-was-lo/55250/7 "2001-02-21T19:23:21Z")
Good call, **Zarathustra** –the yurt scene. That’s the detail I was trying to remember. Actually, the yurt as a structure is Turkic as much as Mongol. In fact, the word _yurt_ itself is not Mongolian; it means ‘home’ in Turkish. (The Mongolian word for it is _ger_). The Uyghurs are sedentary, agricultural oasis dwellers with a long history of civilization behind them. But the Kazaks are a yurt-dwelling, nomadic Turkic people who are at home in the wild uplands. There are Kazaks in Xinjiang (and Mongolia) as well as Kazakstan. The word _kazak_ or _qazaq_ in Turkish means ‘a wild, free horseman who is not ruled by anyone and does what he pleases’. Lo’s yurt and lifestyle are characteristic of the Kazaks rather than Uyghurs. And you’re right, he does mention Xinjiang. ---
**Author:** ![Sergelenbold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sergelenbold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sergelenbold)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cthd-what-kind-of-barbarian-was-lo/55250/8 "2023-08-14T12:55:55Z")
In a scene where Lo and his bandits trading with russian or some kinda european trader you can see a Mongolian(Inner) wrestlers uniform. Also the film is in Qing(Manju) dynastys era which means xinjiang was part of Dzungaria Mongols. In the end Uyghurs, Mongols, Kazakhs we all have same origin which is Altai mountains and Central Asian steppes, modern Turks are not related to Turgic people from Central Asia. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cthd-what-kind-of-barbarian-was-lo/55250/9 "2023-08-14T13:35:28Z")
Thanks for your answer, Sergelenbold! I asked some linguists and they concurred that the language in the song was Kazakh. Kazakh people live in northern Xinjiang as well as western Mongolia; the great film _The Eagle Huntress_ is about Kazakhs in Ölgii, Mongolia. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cthd-what-kind-of-barbarian-was-lo/55250/10 "2023-08-15T21:07:37Z")
[Moderating] I don’t think the Cafe Society forum existed when this thread was created, but it does now, so I’ll move this. Also, welcome and thank you, @Sergelenbold . Posts like this, where someone comes up with the answer to a question long after it’s gone dormant, are precisely the reason why we don’t lock old threads, here. The sum body of human knowledge just went up by a little bit. Though it’s also notable that, in this case, the original questioner from two decades ago is still around. ---
**Author:** ![Kinhad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@Kinhad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinhad)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cthd-what-kind-of-barbarian-was-lo/55250/11 "2024-01-10T17:22:28Z")
At that time period, Mongols were subject to the Qing. Also means that ethnic male Mongols during that period had to wear Manchu queue hairstyle just like the other male characters in the show . I’ve heard about the song he sang was somewhat mutually understandable to Turkish audience.