# Culture Shock: Men play football better than women...
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143
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**Created:** [August 11, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143 "2012-08-11T01:50:06Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/1 "2012-08-11T01:50:06Z")
…and in a site dedicated to “fighting ignorance” mod-deluxe, **RickJay** – who, by the way, had plenty of shit to say about the [Canada/US footie match](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=661213) – decides that I am “thread-shitting” because I disagreed with **AD** ’s assessment of Solo’s save as “probably the best he is seen in years” with no qualification as to what he has has seen in said time. After reading [**his post**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15367281&postcount=7), I merely congratulated the US on their victory and mentioned that he likely wasn’t aware of the great stops in the men’s game – which, without an ounce of misogyny, anyone can see is far superior to the woman’s game. Well then, first **Lamar Mundane** confirms it wasn’t a “best ever save” but rather mundane, and right after that a certain **Knorf** butts in to write one of the most [ignorant posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15367726&postcount=11) I’ve read here yet – and after a decade, that’s saying something.
I then proceed to gently mock their ignorance of football in general and [link to two of the best keepers of the world](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15367861&postcount=13) in action.
Response?
> [@](#):
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> … **The USA, Canada, Japan, and to a lesser extent France and Brazil all showed great skill in the Olympic tournament, and as others have mentioned they play a more manly game than the dancers, divers, and preeners of the men’s game. If today’s game were played exactly the same way but the teams were Barca and Real instead, they’d have run out of stretchers in the first half.**
– underline mine.
Really? Want to talk “sexism”? “Ignorance”? Or how about both at the same time? Mayhaps chalk it up to plain butthurt hyperbole?
Right. To bed I must, and next morning I wake to this sage “[yellow card](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15368434&postcount=17)” by **RickJay** , likely the most sagacious and knowledgeable of all football mods here. :rolleyes:
Because, of course, I was “threadshitting” while asking someone what was so unusual about the save – and being told by others that it wasn’t – other than it was made by an American in a Gold medal game. And then having to hear a bunch of ignorant crap about how woman’s football is simply ‘so much better than men’s.’
Please…
At any rate, I honestly don’t give a shit about the warning itself. I’ll proudly keep it.
The ignorance, however, is all on you – as in the ones that participated in defending such major bullshit.
In closing, I enjoy any number of women’s sports even more than I do their men’s counterparts (volleyball for one; and not the cheap beach bikini-clad cr\*p) – but please, please, till you find female equivalents to say, Casillas, Messi, Ronaldo, Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard & Albert Pujols, stay away from comparing male & female sports achievements. It’s simply ignorant in more ways than one.
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/2 "2012-08-11T02:04:48Z")
Got to say I think the warning was more than a little heavy handed. NFL and College football threads frequently get a lot rowdier than that without any mod intervention, much less a formal warning.
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/3 "2012-08-11T02:05:57Z")
**RedFury** , you were warned because you were acting like a jerk and threadshitting. The thread in question is about the Olympic soccer final, and you barged in to crap all over people enjoying a game you admit to not having watched. You were not warned for holding any particular opinion.
Your alleged knowledge of the sport in question is irrelevant, as is mine, since we don’t hand out warnings for opinions on a particular sport. You’ve been around long enough to know we have rules against threadshitting.
**Oakminster** , as to your point, no, they really don’t. A degree of trash talk amongst rival fans is acceptable and is, correctly, regarded as being talk limited to the context of the sport. If I say in the context of a college sports discussion that UCLA sucks and I hope their stadium burns to the ground because I’m a fan of (UCLA rival) that’s just fan talk. If, on the other hand, I entered a lively discussion of college football to state that college football is a lousy sport and people who prefer it to the NFL don’t know anything about football, that is derailing a thread and is a warning offense. If you see that sort of thing happening by all means please report it.
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/4 "2012-08-11T02:10:18Z")
**Rickjay** your threshold for “threadshitting” appears to be amazingly low…like virtually undetectable in this instance. At best that was mild snark. If that’s the kind of call you are going to make, I hope you stay the hell out of NFL/College football threads. You’ll end up banning half the participants.
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### Author:  [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/5 "2012-08-11T02:43:14Z")
> [@RickJay](#):
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> **RedFury** , you were warned because you were acting like a jerk and threadshitting. The thread in question is about the Olympic soccer final, and you barged in to crap all over people enjoying a game you admit to not having watched. You were not warned for holding any particular opinion.
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> Your alleged knowledge of the sport in question is irrelevant, as is mine, since we don’t hand out warnings for opinions on a particular sport. You’ve been around long enough to know we have rules against threadshitting…
Whatever dude, I well know that your word is gold around here – as in “circle the wagons” and all that.
Doesn’t make you any less ignorant of either the topic at hand – and, if you’d like, the equally threadshitting (yet much more ignorant by a factor of ten) responses – and your itchy trigger finger BS yellow card.
Yeah. You’re The Man.
::::bows::::
Can I get your autograph? I have plans for the paper it’s written on…
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### Author:  [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/6 "2012-08-11T02:48:48Z")
Stay classy.
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### Author:  [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/7 "2012-08-11T03:09:49Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#):
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> Stay classy.
Stay succinct.
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### Author:  [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/8 "2012-08-11T03:16:16Z")
Nah, I enjoy knowing who’s cognitively able to handle text longer than a cereal box top and who isn’t. But thanks for your kind concern.
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### Author:  [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/9 "2012-08-11T03:49:22Z")
If you’d been modded for your first post in the thread –
> [@Japan - USA Olympic Final](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/japan-usa-olympic-final/630991/9):
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> Congrats on the US win, but I surmise you are no fan of the men’s game, correct? Different sport after all.
You’d probably have a point. That one was a bit sarcastic but wasn’t threadshitting. This was:
> [@Japan - USA Olympic Final](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/japan-usa-olympic-final/630991/13):
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> Just confirms what I’ve always suspected – the US woman’s team is successful; therefore they are “awesome football players.” No actual football knowledge needed.
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> Need any confirmation?
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> There you go.
The thread was about the women’s Olympic soccer final, not a comparison of men’s vs. women’s soccer. So when you said anyone who prefers the women’s game doesn’t know the sport, you were threadshitting. Your comments in this thread make it that much clearer.
And this is not the forum to argue the comparative merits of men’s and women’s sports. You can open a Game Room thread about that, but ATMB threads need to be about moderation or the rules.
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/10 "2012-08-11T03:54:29Z")
Sigh. I still disagree with the warning, but **Red** ’s conduct in this thread makes me wish I’d just stayed out of it. Bowing out now. Carry on.
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### Author:  [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/11 "2012-08-11T04:38:10Z")
> [@Marley23](#):
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> …This was:
> The thread was about the women’s Olympic soccer final, not a comparison of men’s vs. women’s soccer. So when you said anyone who prefers the women’s game doesn’t know the sport, you were threadshitting. Your comments in this thread make it that much clearer.
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> And this is not the forum to argue the comparative merits of men’s and women’s sports. You can open a Game Room thread about that, but ATMB threads need to be about moderation or the rules.
Thanks but no thanks, **Marley** – obvious is as obvious does. That said, what you left out out of that quote is precisely what I am arguing about in so far as moderation:
> [@Japan - USA Olympic Final](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/japan-usa-olympic-final/630991/11):
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> I’ll not speak for Airman Doors, but I will say that as much as I love soccer played by men, women’s soccer does offer an overall cleaner game with fewer fouls, almost no diving, and a lot less whinging on the field in general, and all this nowadays without sacrificing anything in the way of athletic excitement.
See? I was _responding_ to said comment in the second quote. Thus if I am going to be accused of “threadshitting” for your second cite you’d have to look at the context in which I did so – meaning, _as I am showing you_, that it was preceded by someone else making an off-topic comment.
That said, note that I am NOT asking for the warning to be rescinded, but rather _proving_ that it was uncalled for. If that makes me persona non grata around here just say the word. I neither beg nor crawl.
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**Oakminster** , appreciate your comprehension on the matter at hand and understand your bowing-out due to my rather brusque ways – but I don’t feel I need to be polite to anyone who tries to lord over me just because they feel they can; nor those who think they can poke me with a stick in a thread they have zilch to do with. I am who I am, and shall remain so till my last breath.
Best always.
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### Author:  [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/12 "2012-08-11T04:43:16Z")
Get off your cross, wow.
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### Author:  [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/13 "2012-08-11T04:46:17Z")
> [@RedFury](#):
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> See? I was _responding_ to said comment in the second quote. Thus if I am going to be accused of “threadshitting” for your second cite you’d have to look at the context in which I did so – meaning, _as I am showing you_, that it was preceded by someone else making an off-topic comment.
I still fail to see how that justifies your comment about American fans and your dig at people who prefer women’s soccer.
> [@](#):
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> That said, note that I am NOT asking for the warning to be rescinded, but rather _proving_ that it was uncalled for. If that makes me persona non grata around here just say the word. I neither beg nor crawl.
I don’t think the warning was going to be rescinded regardless, and nobody asked you to beg. I don’t think anybody gives a damn about your pride; you’re being asked to discuss the subject at hand without gratuitous potshots at people with differing opinions.
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### Author:  [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/14 "2012-08-11T04:50:18Z")
> [@RedFury](#):
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> **Oakminster** , appreciate your comprehension on the matter at hand and understand your bowing-out due to my rather brusque ways – but I don’t feel I need to be polite to anyone who tries to lord over me just because they feel they can; nor those who think they can poke me with a stick in a thread they have zilch to do with. I am who I am, and shall remain so till my last breath.
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> Best always.
Dude. It’s a message board thread, not the Last Stand of the 300.
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### Author:  [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/15 "2012-08-11T05:07:54Z")
> [@RedFury](#):
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> …but I don’t feel I need to be polite to anyone who tries to lord over me just because they feel they can; nor those who think they can poke me with a stick in a thread they have zilch to do with. I am who I am, and shall remain so till my last breath.
I’m with you bro. Fight it out to your last breath.
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### Author:  [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/16 "2012-08-11T05:11:11Z")
> [@Marley23](#):
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> I still fail to see how that justifies your comment about American fans and your dig at people who prefer women’s soccer.
Not justification needed. Snark meets snark.
> [@](#):
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> I don’t think the warning was going to be rescinded regardless, and nobody asked you to beg. I don’t think anybody gives a damn about your pride; you’re being asked to discuss the subject at hand without gratuitous potshots at people with differing opinions.
Good. And I am. As for “potshots” one was taken at me and I responded in kind.
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> [@MsWhatsit](#):
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> Dude. It’s a message board thread, not the Last Stand of the 300.
Learn something new everyday.
Much appreciated, dudette, but I am Sparta. 😉
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> [@Snarky\_Kong](#):
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> Get off your cross, wow.
In order to stay on topic, that would be “crossbar,” correct?
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### Author:  [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/17 "2012-08-11T05:22:48Z")
> [@RedFury](#):
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> Not justification needed. Snark meets snark.
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> Good. And I am. As for “potshots” one was taken at me and I responded in kind.
Maybe we’ve identified the problem: nobody in the thread was snarky with you and nobody took a potshot at you until after you’d impugned the knowledge of other posters. So you were being a jerk, which is why you were warned. I’m not sure why you felt shots were being taken at you, but in the future, don’t “respond in kind.”
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### Author:  [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/18 "2012-08-11T06:06:24Z")
Don’t agree, **Marley**. But I’ve said my piece & unless you have something else to add, I’m done here.
I will say that although I hardly ever visit this side of the Forum, it felt good to be able to express my feelings, my way. So for that, I thank you.
Whether you’d like to leave the thread open for other opinions – favorable or not to my OP – is entirely up to you. Although I am sure I am always right, I must admit there are times where there’s is no right or wrong. Just different ways of looking at the same picture.
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### Author:  [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/19 "2012-08-11T10:22:55Z")
I’m with **Redfury** on this one. What a bullshit warning. If somebody in a sports thread posts something utterly stupid then you should not face a warning for pointing out that they have just talked a load of shite.
There was no need for a warning in that instance, and before people get on their high horses about Redfurys tone in this thread, just remember that for people who make genuine efforts to post within the rules of a message board, bullshit warnings can easily leave a feeling of “fuck it, whats the point”.
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### Author:  [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2012, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/culture-shock-men-play-football-better-than-women/631143/20 "2012-08-11T10:47:19Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#):
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> I’m with **Redfury** on this one. What a bullshit warning. If somebody in a sports thread posts something utterly stupid then you should not face a warning for pointing out that they have just talked a load of shite.
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> There was no need for a warning in that instance, and before people get on their high horses about Redfurys tone in this thread, just remember that for people who make genuine efforts to post within the rules of a message board, bullshit warnings can easily leave a feeling of “fuck it, whats the point”.
As someone who as also received what they consider to be a “bullshit warning” (especially since, as I later discovered, an earlier instance in a different thread of pretty much exactly the same circumstances did not even warrant a mod note), this is something I can relate to.
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