# Cunt! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 25, 2002, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802 "2002-12-25T01:56:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/41 "2002-12-25T22:22:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Are you a white person or a black person proclaiming this? Huh? What difference does it make what color I am? > [@](#): > > because I find it offensive that you have even used it in your post, something I as a Black man would never do. So you’re saying that only blacks are entitled to say whether or not “nigger” is a Bad Word and whether it should be seen in public? Then by the same token, only women ought to be entitled to say whether “cunt” is a Bad Word–right? (And you’re comfortable with that, I bet, because to you, “cunt” is the lesser insult, because you are male and have never been called “cunt”.) Whereas your position is that I, who am white, and have thus never been called “nigger”, am in no position to say that “nigger” is an insult on a par with “cunt”? Does that about sum it up? Well, that’s just really, really stupid. Who are you to tell me that an insult based on my sexuality isn’t as bad an insult, to me, as an insult based on your skin color is to you? “Nigger” hasn’t got any bigger claim to fame than “cunt”–both words have been around for the same amount of time. Who are you, to be the arbiter of what we may and may not post here? BTW, how do you feel about black women being called “ho”, a word that also insults a woman’s sexuality? Your claim of some kind of lock on the Political Correctness market (“only I as a black person am in a position to say that ‘nigger’ must not be used”) is ludicrous. Words like “nigger” and “cunt” and faggot" are all words in current usage in the English language, like it or not, and since we are all grownups here, when we’re having an adult discussion of the words in question, it’s deeply stupid to expect us all to tiptoe coyly around these words out of an exaggerated PC sensibility, spelling them out, or using asterisks, as though the children might be shocked to hear them. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/42 "2002-12-25T22:23:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by astro \* > \*\*Why? Even if we grant that pound for pound of pejorative power “N” is more powerful than “cunt” and has a deeper history, both are words meant to reduce a person to the status of a non-human object. Why is equating one pejorative, dehumanizing and objectifyng word with another in the context of both words being the vilest insults imaginable to blacks and women respectively, insulting? Please explain your reasoning. \*\* First of all, a cunt, vagina, pussy, whatever is a human organ, not much different from calling someone an ass, an asshole, a dick, a prick, a stinky fart. Now, from a cultural perspective, my experience with the word cunt comes from pornography, where typical usage is “Lick my cunt”, “Eat my cunt”, etc. I not sure where it got blown up to the "n"th power. This is what I base my reasoning on, moreover, the fact that a thread can be titled that and that two threads with that title in the pit exists tells me that the word doesn’t quite measure up to the “n” word’s offensiveness. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/43 "2002-12-25T22:36:25Z")
> [@](#): > > my experience with the word cunt comes from pornography You are evidently not aware that there is racist pornography that uses the word “nigger”? > [@](#): > > the fact that a thread can be titled that and that two threads with that title in the pit All this proves is that feminism lags behind racism in terms of Society’s awareness of the offensiveness of the terms. It doesn’t “prove” that one term actually IS less offensive than the other. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/44 "2002-12-25T22:50:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by EasyPhil \* > \*\*First of all, a cunt, vagina, pussy, whatever is a human organ, not much different from calling someone an ass, an asshole, a dick, a prick, a stinky fart. Now, from a cultural perspective, my experience with the word cunt comes from pornography, where typical usage is “Lick my cunt”, “Eat my cunt”, etc. I not sure where it got blown up to the "n"th power. This is what I base my reasoning on, moreover, the fact that a thread can be titled that and that two threads with that title in the pit exists tells me that the word doesn’t quite measure up to the “n” word’s offensiveness. \*\* Well, am much as I’m tempted to say “It’s a white thing. You wouldn’t understand”, I’ll wager that most black woman would _not_ consider you calling them a “cunt” an insult on a par with calling you a “dick” or a “prick” which are fairly lightweight as insults go. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/45 "2002-12-25T22:51:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Duck Duck Goose \* > **Huh? What difference does it make what color I am? > So you’re saying that only blacks are entitled to say whether or not “nigger” is a Bad Word and whether it should be seen in public?** Okay, we’ve established that you’re a White woman throwing the “n” word around, cool. Read what I said, I said what I meant. > [@](#): > > \*\* > Then by the same token, only women ought to be entitled to say whether “cunt” is a Bad Word–right? (And you’re comfortable with that, I bet, because to you, “cunt” is the lesser insult, because you are male and have never been called “cunt”.)\*\* I would think that when “cunt” is used as an insult, is based on a particular action or inaction by a woman. “She’s a cunt, because she wouldn’t talk to me” “That fucking cunt broke my heart”, “That cunt is talking to my boyfriend”. Whereas you only have to a particular skin color to be called the “n” word, from across the street, or across the country. > [@](#): > > \*\* > Whereas your position is that I, who am white, and have thus never been called “n”, am in no position to say that “n” is an insult on a par with “cunt”? > > Does that about sum it up? > \*\* Yeah, that’s it, you’re not Black so you can’t even begin to imagine how offensive the word is because of it’s history and the lingering effects of that history. I can personally relate to the word, which is why I don’t use it, I don’t write it, I don’t speak it. > [@](#): > > \*\* > Well, that’s just really, really stupid. Who are you to tell me that an insult based on my sexuality isn’t as bad an insult, to me, as an insult based on your skin color is to you? “N” hasn’t got any bigger claim to fame than “cunt”–both words have been around for the same amount of time. > \*\* I’m not trying to tell you about what’s an insult to you. I’m telling you what’s an insult to me. Your equating the word “cunt” to the “n” word to me illustrates your lack of sensitivity, primarily because you’re White and the word doesn’t have the same impact to you. I would go as far to say that it’s latent hatred from Black people or fear of Black men on your part. It’s a leap sure, because I don’t know you, but you sure do love using that “n” word. > [@](#): > > \*\* > Who are you, to be the arbiter of what we may and may not post here? > \*\* You can post what you want, but I reserve the right to edit that word if I quote what you say, because as I said before, I find the presence of it offensive. > [@](#): > > \*\* > BTW, how do you feel about black women being called “ho”, a word that also insults a woman’s sexuality?\*\* Where have you been, White women are called whores and primarily by other White women. Women don’t like other women around that are free with their sexuality, too much competition. I personally don’t buy into the whore concept. Those people that do the calling I think are stupid and some are mysoginist. > [@](#): > > \*\* > Your claim of some kind of lock on the Political Correctness market (“only I as a black person am in a position to say that ‘n’ must not be used”) is ludicrous. Words like “n” and “cunt” and faggot" are all words in current usage in the English language, like it or not, and since we are all grownups here, when we’re having an adult discussion of the words in question, it’s deeply stupid to expect us all to tiptoe coyly around these words out of an exaggerated PC sensibility, spelling them out, or using asterisks, as though the children might be shocked to hear them. \*\* Is not about being PC, I find the word offensive, and I’m a Black person that knows enough not to use the word, which to me says a lot. Too bad you can’t figure that out. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/46 "2002-12-25T22:54:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Duck Duck Goose \* > **You are evidently not aware that there is racist pornography that uses the word “n”?** And your point is what??? > [@](#): > > \*\* > All this proves is that feminism lags behind racism in terms of Society’s awareness of the offensiveness of the terms. It doesn’t “prove” that one term actually IS less offensive than the other. \*\* As far as this board concerned it is. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/47 "2002-12-25T22:57:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by EasyPhil \* > **First of all, a cunt, vagina, pussy, whatever is a human organ, not much different from calling someone an ass, an asshole, a dick, a prick, a stinky fart. Now, from a cultural perspective, my experience with the word cunt comes from pornography, where typical usage is “Lick my cunt”, “Eat my cunt”, etc. I not sure where it got blown up to the "n"th power.** I have probably watched more pornography then everyone on this assembled message board combined, and I can tell you that “cunt” is seldom used by a woman referring to her genitals in pornography. > [@](#): > > \*\*This is what I base my reasoning on, moreover, the fact that a thread can be titled that and that two threads with that title in the pit exists tells me that the word doesn’t quite measure up to the “n” word’s offensiveness. \*\* Sexism is equally as evil as racism. Don’t believe me? Look at how woman have been treated in some countries, now and in the past (requiring them to wear full body garb when they are allowed outside but only if escorted by a male relative, forcible removal of the clitoris to “keep them faithful” to their husbands, stoning women to death for adultery, foot binding etc). It all boils down to reducing a class of people to dehumanized objects that can be used and abused. It doesn’t matter whether that class of people are Jews, or Blacks, or Women. Or whether the insults are Kike, Nigger, or Cunt. In that sense, “Cunt” as it is generaly used is just as bad as “Nigger”. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/48 "2002-12-25T22:58:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by astro \* > \*\*Well, am much as I’m tempted to say “It’s a white thing. You wouldn’t understand”, I’ll wager that most black woman would _not_ consider you calling them a “cunt” an insult on a par with calling you a “dick” or a “prick” which are fairly lightweight as insults go. \*\* Of course the person doing the calling is never going to feel that the insult that hits them at home doesn’t have the same weight as the one that they pitch. The distinction itself is sexist, it implies that men don’t have the same feelings as women when it comes to insults. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/49 "2002-12-25T23:00:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blalron \* > **I have probably watched more pornography then everyone on this assembled message board combined, and I can tell you that “cunt” is seldom used by a woman referring to her genitals in pornography.** I guess it depends on what the era of porn you’re familiar with. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/50 "2002-12-25T23:09:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by EasyPhil \* > \*\*I guess it depends on what the era of porn you’re familiar with. \*\* What porn are you watching Phil? Pussy is the preferred term 99% of the time. Cunt is just so… unerotic. Maybe there’s a fetish out there for calling it “cunt”, but in mainstream porn “pussy” is the preferred term. Even “fuck hole” and “honeybox” is used more than “cunt” in my experience. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/51 "2002-12-25T23:34:39Z")
How old are you **Blalron**? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/52 "2002-12-25T23:40:37Z")
EasyPhil: I am black. And I am a woman. I find both words equally offensive. Going by your belief that one must belong to the group insulted to know the full power of the insult (I disagree) I tell you, BOTH are equally offensive. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/53 "2002-12-25T23:47:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mighty\_Girl \* > \*\*EasyPhil: > I am black. And I am a woman. I find both words equally offensive. Going by your belief that one must belong to the group insulted to know the full power of the insult (I disagree) I tell you, BOTH are equally offensive. \*\* You represent both groups and you illustrate my point perfectly. Are you saying that your feeling was the same when you were called either of the two? ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/54 "2002-12-26T01:31:27Z")
Wow, cunt is an unerotic word? I’ve been doing it wrong my whole life. I’ve always considered a good, strong, sexy sounding word. It’s not a word I’ve ever avoided using because some people don’t like it, because it doesn’t seem like it’s always an insult as a racial slur would be. Call me a cunt, call me a bitch, call me a moron, and I’ll feel exactly the same about all three, which is to say I don’t give a damn. Offended? Over a word? Seems like a waste of time to me. BTW, Carlin wasn’t entirely right. 'Cause piss and cunt are fine with me. ---
**Author:** ![Blackeyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f6c823/32.png) [@Blackeyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackeyes)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/55 "2002-12-26T01:48:04Z")
**Nigger!** **CUNT!** Hm. They seem different somehow. What do you think? ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/56 "2002-12-26T02:58:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by EasyPhil \* > **And your point is what???** You were saying, “Hey, ‘cunt’ isn’t that bad a word because they use it in pornography all the time.” And I was saying, “They use ‘nigger’ in some pornography all the time, too–does that make ‘nigger’ okay to use?” It’s specious reasoning to say that just because a word is used in pornography, that that makes it okay. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/57 "2002-12-26T03:10:34Z")
> [@](#): > > you’re not Black so you can’t even begin to imagine how offensive the word is because of it’s history and the lingering effects of that history. _you’re not **female** so you can’t even begin to imagine how offensive the word is because of its history and the lingering effects of that history._ > [@](#): > > Your equating the word “cunt” to the “n” word to me illustrates your lack of sensitivity, primarily because you’re White and the word doesn’t have the same impact to you. \*Your **failure** to equate the word “cunt” to the “n” word to me illustrates your lack of sensitivity, primarily because you’re **male** and the word doesn’t have the same impact to you. \* > [@](#): > > I would go as far to say that it’s latent hatred from Black people or fear of Black men on your part. It’s a leap sure, because I don’t know you, but you sure do love using that “n” word. Oh geez. Guess what? You just made the big leap from “slightly clueless” to Total Fucking Moron. Congratulations, dipshit. And you notice how I didn’t use the “n” word in that sentence? Guess I must have suddenly gotten over my latent fear of black men… Retard. Oops, guess I must have a latent fear of the developmentally disabled, huh? **"** :rolleyes: **"** ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/58 "2002-12-26T03:18:14Z")
Oh, well I am female, so do you wanna start telling me why I’m wrong not to find offense in the word cunt? Or am I just failing to get it for some other reason, because pulling that ‘You’re male, you don’t understand’ crap on me won’t work. If you’re sensitive to the word cunt, that’s your issue. But don’t sit here as if you speak for all women saying that it’s obvious a man would fail to find it as offensive as the ‘n word’ and that women all feel some sort of sting when someone says ‘cunt’. If you’re offended, that’s up to you, but it sure as fuck is not a ‘female’ thing. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/59 "2002-12-26T04:03:04Z")
Just as some blacks apparently don’t take offense in the “n” word (I’ve heard some using among themselves) some women might not take offense in the “c” word. I do. It is not the word, it’s what the word entail, it means that the one calling me that has no respect for me and considers me below him/her. So, if you use either, then so be it. Just don’t point that thing at me. And yes, it is a female thing. I’ve yet to see a man called cunt. Just as I doubt a member of another race would be called a nigger. Get it? ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802/60 "2002-12-26T04:06:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Duck Duck Goose \* > _ **you’re not female so you can’t even begin to imagine how offensive the word is because of its history and the lingering effects of that history.** _ And what is that history, **Duck Duck Goose**? Do you even fucking know? Put up, or shut the fuck up. > [@](#): > > \*\* > _Your **failure** to equate the word “cunt” to the “n” word to me illustrates your lack of sensitivity, primarily because you’re **male** and the word doesn’t have the same impact to you. \* > Oh geez. Guess what? You just made the big leap from “slightly clueless” to Total Fucking Moron. Congratulations, dipshit._\* Nice try, support your argument, otherwise your just blowing smoke out your ass. > [@](#): > > \*\* > And you notice how I didn’t use the “n” word in that sentence? Guess I must have suddenly gotten over my latent fear of black men…\*\* Doubt it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cunt/144802.md?page=4)