# Cuomo might be in some trouble \[Gov has resigned\]\[Brother Chris fired by CNN\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 24, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678 "2021-02-24T22:32:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/443 "2021-12-14T17:25:20Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > This board is full of jokes, complaints criticisms and snark about Fox News. I don’t believe anyone is ‘joking’ about Fox news in these threads - saying ‘Fox News is a joke’ is no joke. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/444 "2021-12-14T19:00:06Z")
Sorry to distract from the CNN/Fox fighting and comedy criticism, but apparently Cuomo is going to have to return the money he made from his book: > **[Cuomo Is Ordered to Forfeit Earnings From $5.1 Million Book Deal (Published...](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/14/nyregion/andrew-cuomo-book.html)** > > Former Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo received authorization to write the book under false pretenses, the board had previously ruled. Poor guy. Sob. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/445 "2021-12-14T19:48:58Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Sorry to distract from the CNN/Fox fighting and comedy criticism, but apparently Cuomo is going to have to return the money he made from his book: As the article points out, it’s not a foregone conclusion the state panel has that kind of authority. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/446 "2021-12-14T22:32:27Z")
A 5.1 million advance for a book by Cuomo? I’d be wondering what kind of payoff that represents. Does anyone think his little ghostwritten book is going to make that advance back? So far it has sold 45,000 copies, and is now out of print. Seven years ago Andrew Cuomo ‘wrote’ a book called “All Things Possible”. after he was riding a wave of popularity after getting re-elected. He got a $700,000 advance, yet the book only sold 3,000 copies. It was a disaster for the publisher. And yet he gets a 5.1 million dollar advance for his next book - which also tanked hard. This is actually normal for politicians. Obama was one of the few to actually sell a lot,of copies. Most of the time these books sink like a stone, yet the politicians still get massive advances they don’t have to pay back. I have a hard time seeing it as anything but a form of payola or influence peddling. It’s not a partisan thing - lots of Republicans have been on that gravy train. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/447 "2021-12-14T22:56:37Z")
Moderating: > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Since CNN seems to prefer hiring sexual predators, maybe they could hire some Lincoln Project guys. Absent a cite, this seems needlessly provocative. Saying, “joke! Joke!” doesn’t save it from being an unsourced, inflammatory comment. Please try to discuss fruitfully, not simply offer put-downs. In Politics, taking the low road is rarely productive. > [@CaptMurdock](#): > > If the sheet fits, wear it. This is way out of bounds for this forum. Both, please dial it back in P&E. If you must hurl insulting language, please take it to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/448 "2021-12-14T23:07:55Z")
My bad. I had forgotten I was not in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/449 "2021-12-14T23:17:28Z")
I didn’t use insulting language against a poster. I insulted a television network and the Lincoln project as a pointed joke. I thought such things were fair game in P&E, given the amount of Fox News/Republican bashing that goes on there. But that’s the last I’ll say about it outside of ATMB. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/450 "2021-12-14T23:22:42Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I didn’t use insulting language against a poster. I insulted a television network and the Lincoln project as a pointed joke. I thought such things were fair game in P&E, given the amount of Fox News/Republican bashing that goes on there. You just proved Miller wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/451 "2021-12-14T23:53:03Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > A 5.1 million advance for a book by Cuomo? I’d be wondering what kind of payoff that represents. ? Huh? You imagine that Crown and/or Penguin Random House was “paying off” Cuomo for something? Like what, for example? What “favors” is a state governor doing for a major international publisher? That seems like a needlessly paranoid take on a not particularly unusual publishing transaction. While [there are certainly a lot of sleaze issues with Cuomo’s resource use in the writing of the book](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/state-ethics-board-orders-andrew-cuomo-give-5-1-million-n1285964), AFAICT there is no reason to think that the amount of the publisher’s advance was anything more than a standard book-deal arrangement for (what the publisher thought was going to be) an extremely popular book on a crisis-of-the-century pandemic by a high-profile and widely admired political figure. Yeah, Crown’s not going to make that money back now that Cuomo has turned out so toxic, but I see no indication that the deal wasn’t in good faith on Crown’s part. It’s not that unusual a sum for a book deal with a high-profile politician, either: for example, even [Ted Cruz got a third of a million as a book advance last year](https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2021/08/16/ted-cruz-made-320000-as-an-author-last-year-his-campaign-bought-153000-worth-of-books/?sh=6abbd45e2e15), for a book on the comparatively humdrum subject of the ideological makeup of the Supreme Court. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/452 "2021-12-17T20:32:23Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Avoid comedy. You suck at it. On consideration, this was gratuitous, and not appropriate for the forum. My apologies, @Sam_Stone. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2021, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/453 "2021-12-17T20:35:15Z")
No problem. Forgotten already. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/454 "2022-01-04T18:48:33Z")
Good news for the ex-Gov: > **[Prosecutor drops groping charge against former NY Gov. Cuomo](https://www.aol.com/news/prosecutor-drops-groping-charge-against-162119479-173158857.html)** > > Former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo won't face criminal prosecution over an allegation that he fondled an aide, after a prosecutor said Tuesday he was dropping the case because he couldn't prove it. Three days before the Democratic ex-governor was due... ---
**Author:** ![SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19adc/32.png) [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpacemanSpiff_II)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/455 "2022-01-31T20:54:57Z")
What’s remarkable and atypical in the Cuomo case is that he has now survived a whole string of investigations by various DAs without even needing to defend a single one in court. (Charges were filed in only one case and these were subsequently dropped.) Highly unusual in such cases. The latest: [New York prosecutor drops groping case against Andrew Cuomo - POLITICO](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/31/andrew-cuomo-groping-case-00003705) > A district attorney in upstate New York said Monday his office will not pursue charges against former Gov. Andrew Cuomo in connection with groping allegations, ending the last local investigation the Democrat faced. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/456 "2022-01-31T20:59:03Z")
Really? I don’t recall seeing lots of criminal cases for groping allegations. I don’t think these are sexual assault allegations, but I’m not sure. Civil suits are quite common, of course. It would be difficult to prove “groping” beyond a reasonable doubt, I imagine, absent video or some confession. Al Franken was never criminally tried, and there was photographic evidence there. Trump was never criminally tried, even after a confession. Do you have examples? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/457 "2022-02-02T14:23:02Z")
As political official/media figure, the Cuomos are under the jurisdiction of the Court of Public Opinion and the written and unwritten “rules” of their professional classes, first of which is Don’t Make Us Look Bad. So they can lose their jobs fair and square over ethical failures or “conduct unbecoming” even if there is not a strong enough case against _Citizen_ Cuomo for an actual crime in a Court of Law, it would be a waste to force a prosecution just to make a point. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/458 "2022-02-02T14:26:30Z")
Really? Because I think if some random bozo did what he’s accused of, he would be fired and that would be the end of it. Rereading what you wrote, maybe we agree on that. ---
**Author:** ![SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19adc/32.png) [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpacemanSpiff_II)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/459 "2022-02-02T15:09:02Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Really? I don’t recall seeing lots of criminal cases for groping allegations. I don’t think these are sexual assault allegations, but I’m not sure. Civil suits are quite common, of course. > > It would be difficult to prove “groping” beyond a reasonable doubt, I imagine, absent video or some confession. > > Al Franken was never criminally tried, and there was photographic evidence there. Trump was never criminally tried, even after a confession. Do you have examples? I don’t recall offhand, but I’m pretty sure groping is some sort of crime, and I don’t think this was an issue in any of the Cuomo prosecutions being dropped. It’s fairly common for he-said-she-said crimes to be prosecuted and convictions are not uncommon either. Victim testimony alone can be enough but generally the prosecution also 1) tries to find witnesses who the alleged victim told about it at the time, and 2) tries to introduce evidence of the accused committing similar offenses with other people, and 3) has evidence of plausibility in the form of same-time-same-place evidence or similar. My comment about Cuomo was that it’s unusual for one of these cases of snowballing accusations for a guy to beat the rap on all of them. _“Nor the man so lean he threw no shadow; six rattlesnakes struck at him at one time and every one missed him”_ _“The People, Yes” - Carl Sandburg_ ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/460 "2022-02-02T16:21:41Z")
And now, CNN’s Chief, Jeff Zucker, resigns (didn’t disclose ‘consensual relationship’ with CNN senior exec): > **[CNN Chief Jeff Zucker Resigns After Relationship With Colleague Disclosed](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/cnn-chief-jeff-zucker-resigns-1235085738/)** > > As part of an investigation related to former anchor Chris Cuomo, the network’s top executive said he "was required to disclose" the relationship "when it began but I didn't. I was wrong." ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/461 "2022-02-02T23:58:14Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > And now, CNN’s Chief, Jeff Zucker, resigns (didn’t disclose ‘consensual relationship’ with CNN senior exec): It’s being widely speculated that Zucker was brought down in an act of revenge by Chris Cuomo, over his earlier firing: > [@](#): > > … Chris Cuomo’s lawyers “raised issues about the relationship between Zucker and Gollust. Cuomo’s legal team asserted that Zucker was hypocritical to suggest Cuomo had a personal conflict of interest when the relationship with Gollust represented a potential conflict as well.” > > I’ve heard similar things, including from someone with direct knowledge of Cuomo himself bringing up the relationship in conversation. Lawyers retained by CNN’s parent company, WarnerMedia, have been conducting an investigation into the Cuomo matter for the past couple of months, since Coumo was fired, and I’m told they began asking about Zucker and Gollust in recent weeks… > **[“It’s Like the Ending of ‘Reservoir Dogs’”: Insiders See the Hand of Cuomo...](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/insiders-see-the-hand-of-cuomo-jeff-zuckers-cnn-departure)** > > People inside CNN are “shell-shocked.” The channel now finds itself in unprecedented turmoil, months out from the expected close of the WarnerMedia–Discovery merger. “Why would you want to hand Discovery a scandal-ridden CNN?” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2022, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cuomo-might-be-in-some-trouble-gov-has-resigned-brother-chris-fired-by-cnn/933678/462 "2022-02-20T03:48:56Z")
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