# curious george, Chronolict, JDM, and Chas. E., please come in here. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 19, 2001, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665 "2001-09-19T20:43:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/41 "2001-09-20T00:07:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Milossarian \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*\*::don’t mind me, I’m just sitting here in the “liberal-but-not-a-fuckin-lunatic section” waiting for my white wine:: > > \*\* > If you get bored, over here in the “conservative-but-not-QUITE-a-fuckin-lunatic section,” we’re barbecuing some animal we shot, on a stick. Over a fire, that’s creating pollution. Which we started with gas we siphoned out of our SUVs. \*\* On a related note, I had an evil thought that if we’d elected Nader, he’d mostly be worried about the pollution from the burning buildings. So, I am glad he’s not Prez, and I think he’s probably glad he’s not Prez. Robin ---
**Author:** ![Rogue1stclass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@Rogue1stclass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rogue1stclass)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/42 "2001-09-20T00:08:43Z")
Hmm… I think I used to know a Ranger named Arden…'course, I also think I was a bard named Kutter at the time, so it probably never happened… I’m not particular…I’ll sit on the side that has the most alcohol and the loosest morals… ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/43 "2001-09-20T00:09:09Z")
I for one have noticed that Stoid seems to have closed Bush bashing season for the duration of this crises (for reasons of national unity I presume.) I think that’s a classy choice. ---
**Author:** ![Arden\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@Arden\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arden_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/44 "2001-09-20T00:15:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rogue1stclass \* > \*\*Hmm… > > I think I used to know a Ranger named Arden…'course, I also think I was a bard named Kutter at the time, so it probably never happened…\*\* Different worlds, I think. Although… I know several Rogues. ---
**Author:** ![Chas.E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e99b99/32.png) [@Chas.E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chas.E)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/45 "2001-09-20T00:29:55Z")
Monster104, don’t forget what Uncle Beer said. AFAIK, the SDMB isn’t a popularity contest, and the popularity of my opinions are not at issue. If a moderator, speaking in a moderator’s capacity, tells me that I must not post unpopular political opinions in SDMB, I will comply. If this happens, the SDMB will change from a place where Ignorance is fought, to a little corner of the Taliban where political dissent is suppressed. Consider carefully. We have met the enemy and he is us. I repeat: I have never said that Bush caused the attacks. I have never expressed anything but sympathy for the victims. I HAVE expressed my contempt for the way this tragedy is being handled by Bush, the media, and the public, and I’ve done everything I can to support my opinions with factual information and cites. This is my little battle against Ignorance. And that is what SDMB is all about. ---
**Author:** ![SouthernStyle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@SouthernStyle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SouthernStyle)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/46 "2001-09-20T00:31:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Now for your next act, you can viciously attack Congresswoman Barbara Lee > > [http://www0.mercurycenter.com/partners/docs1/044730.htm](http://www0.mercurycenter.com/partners/docs1/044730.htm) > > You know, there are people of principle that have reasonable objections to what is happening in this country. As far as I know, there is no Constitutional obligation for all Americans to think exactly the same. This isn’t the first time that I’ve heard her name. If you’ll check the record I believe that you’ll find her voting record indicates that she is more interested with her specific agenda than the general good of the country. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/47 "2001-09-20T01:10:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chas.E \* > I’ve done everything I can to support my opinions with factual information and cites. Bullshit. You’ve repeatedly asserted half-baked nonsense as indisputable fact throughout that “Where will Bush start a war?” thread. When called on these facts, by myself, gobear, and others, you’ve equivocated and rationalized to the point that nobody could possibly take you seriously any longer. You’re officially a joke, Chas. ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/48 "2001-09-20T01:12:31Z")
> [@](#): > > AFAIK, the SDMB isn’t a popularity contest, and the popularity of my opinions are not at issue. If a moderator, speaking in a moderator’s capacity, tells me that I must not post unpopular political opinions in SDMB, I will comply. If this happens, the SDMB will change from a place where Ignorance is fought, to a little corner of the Taliban where political dissent is suppressed. Consider carefully. We have met the enemy and he is us. May I be the first to say “WTF??” And the first to add “:rolleyes:” ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/49 "2001-09-20T01:33:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chas.E \* > \*\*This is my little battle against Ignorance. And that is what SDMB is all about. \*\* Yep. This message board was created simply for you to fight your “little battles.” However, you don’t seem to have won any of those “little battles” yet. Keep trying though. We’re enjoying the entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/50 "2001-09-20T02:53:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MsRobyn \* > On a related note, I had an evil thought that if we’d elected Nader, he’d mostly be worried about the pollution from the burning buildings. So, I am glad he’s not Prez, and I think he’s probably glad he’s not Prez. > > Robin Not that I agree with Nader on much of anything, not even a little bit, but the man does seem to be unquestionably patriotic. Has deluded ideas about what America stands for, IMHO, but loves this country dearly. I have no idea what he’d do if it was him in the Oval Office, though. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/51 "2001-09-20T03:11:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chas.E \* > Monster104, don’t forget what Uncle Beer said. [Mod Hat: ON] And you shouldn’t forget that it was _just as directed towards you_ as it was to him. If you’re going to be a jerk over every time he posts in the same thread as you, then perhaps we should judge how much a jerk you’re being. We’re not going to paint a white line through the forums so that you can post on one side and he on the other. [Mod Hat: OFF] > [@](#): > > AFAIK, the SDMB isn’t a popularity contest, and the popularity of my opinions are not at issue. If a moderator, speaking in a moderator’s capacity, tells me that I must not post unpopular political opinions in SDMB, I will comply. If this happens, the SDMB will change from a place where Ignorance is fought, to a little corner of the Taliban where political dissent is suppressed. Consider carefully. We have met the enemy and he is us. As a moderator, I state fully that you can post whatever political opinions you want, so long as they are not obviously racist, sexist, or anti-semitic. However, you must take full responsibility for appearing the fool and being razzed in the Pit when you refuse to change your beliefs in the face of overwhelming evidence. > [@](#): > > I repeat: I have never said that Bush caused the attacks. I have never expressed anything but sympathy for the victims. I HAVE expressed my contempt for the way this tragedy is being handled by Bush, the media, and the public, and I’ve done everything I can to support my opinions with factual information and cites. And generally been rebutted. > [@](#): > > This is my little battle against Ignorance. And that is what SDMB is all about. I should point out that, in order to fight Ignorance, one must not be upon the same side as it. But that would be far too catty to say. (And thanks to all of the liberals, conservatives, and moderates who _have_ remained rational, sane, and calm in the discussions across this board. I hope I live up to your examples.) ---
**Author:** ![Arden\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@Arden\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arden_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/52 "2001-09-20T03:15:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Corrado \* > **I should point out that, in order to fight Ignorance, one must not be upon the same side as it. But that would be far too catty to say.** Would you like some cream with that, John? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/53 "2001-09-20T03:29:28Z")
I prefer skim milk, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Chas.E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e99b99/32.png) [@Chas.E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chas.E)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/54 "2001-09-20T03:36:25Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\* When called on these facts, by myself, gobear, and others, you’ve equivocated and rationalized to the point that nobody could possibly take you seriously any longer._\* Some people can never be convinced. You wouldn’t believe in a smoking gun if someone gave it to you with the muzzle still warm. I call that Ignorance. I can’t combat all ignorance, especially when I’m being tag-teamed by everyone and I am the sole defender. Besides, I’m busy with other discussions too. My political statements represent the far minority of my activities. Southernstyle, a congresswoman’s role is to represent her constituency. This is rarely a role where one acts in the interests of the country as a whole. BTW, nobody pokes fun at Jeannete Rankin’s sole dissenting vote against the WWII declaration of war, they still consider her a woman of principle and her name and statements are in the history books. I would be gravely concerned if every declaration of war (or equivalent) didn’t get at least ONE dissenting vote. Jeep’s phoenix, I didn’t start any of these arguments, I’m not here to push my agenda, except insofar as it is a rebuttal of an already existing discussion. The only exception was the only vaguely WTC-related thread I started about music censorship. I’m not here to push an agenda like seethruart or others of his ilk. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/55 "2001-09-20T03:49:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chas.E \* > I can’t combat all ignorance, especially when I’m being tag-teamed by everyone and I am the sole defender. Here’s a hint, doofus: stop making shit up. Makes the fight against ignorance ever so much more effective. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/56 "2001-09-20T04:03:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chas.E \* > **BTW, nobody pokes fun at Jeannete Rankin’s sole dissenting vote against the WWII declaration of war, they still consider her a woman of principle and her name and statements are in the history books.** Just because you are a man/woman of principle doesn’t mean you’re right. FGI, I’m slightly conservative, leaning towards the “Just fuck off and don’t bother me” stance. ---
**Author:** ![Chas.E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e99b99/32.png) [@Chas.E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chas.E)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/57 "2001-09-20T04:28:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Corrado \* > \*\*And generally been rebutted. > \*\* There is a vast difference between being rebutted and being shouted down. I cannot conduct simultaneous debates with the entire world. It is like playing blindfold chess with a hundred opponents. While I’m trying to prove some point, others go unrebutted due to time constraints, and they feel they’ve won by default. I note, with distaste, that this lapse is usually followed by an obscenity-laced “victory dance.” Is it any wonder I prioritize my discussions to focus on the more level-headed participants? If a single person would care to engage me in debate on these issues, without coaching from interested bystanders, I would be amenable to it. But I’m not looking for a political debate with the entire SDMB. For that matter, I’m not looking for ANY political debate. But fair is fair, I’ll stand or fall on my own two feet, if any single representative is willing to do the same. Mano a mano, just like your hero El Presidente, eh? ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/58 "2001-09-20T04:40:20Z")
> [@](#): > > I cannot conduct simultaneous debates with the entire world. Well, the fact that the _entire world_ disagrees with you should tell you something about your stance. Furthermore, I don’t see how the number of people on the opposite side has anything to do with how accurate you are able to be. It is not any harder to stick to the facts just because there are more people challenging them. Although, in your case, I suppose that having only one opponent would kind of limit the ability to remove all the pure bullshit from your posts. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/59 "2001-09-20T04:55:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chas.E \* > **I can’t combat all ignorance, especially when I’m being tag-teamed by everyone and I am the sole defender** Here’s a hint for ya, buddy. When your ideas and opinions are being ‘tag-teamed by everyone’ except you at a place like the SDMB, it means your being a fucking jackass. This board has a wide variety of very learned people who are quite tolerant of others. It’s when people like you state garbage like Bush’s Kyoto or missle defense policy caused the WTC terrorist attack that the tag teaming starts. Now before you claim ‘I didn’t say any such thing!’ here is the cite: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=87875](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=87875) > [@](#): > > It can be convincingly argued that Bush is responsible for a major shift in world political alliances. Terrorists seek out the weaknesses of their enemies. I can just hear the conversations at terrorist HQ: > Bush on CNN: “Our missile shield will stop rogue nations from attacking the US.” > bin Laden: “oh yeah? It won’t prevent my terrorists from hitting their targets. I think I’ll give the green light to my sleeper agents.” As has been stated before in this thread, you’re a joke. You’re arguments are laughable and honestly, I cannot believe that the people here would waste their valuable time arguing with you about it. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2001, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665/60 "2001-09-20T05:01:21Z")
He’s got a point waterj2. Arguing with a whole pile of people throwing one bit of disinformation after another can be every bit as tough as fighting intentional ignorance. The man’s words are frequently no closer to pure bullshit than yours. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-george-chronolict-jdm-and-chas-e-please-come-in-here/82665.md?page=4)