# Curious when enough is enough? \[Der Trihs\] **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [May 15, 2013, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461 "2013-05-15T22:46:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/41 "2013-05-16T10:00:47Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > Are some of you seriously asking mods to ban a poster you don’t like? “Jerk” is in the eye of the beholder. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/42 "2013-05-16T10:12:09Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > “Jerk” is in the eye of the beholder. Some people need to be holdin’ the ignore button. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/43 "2013-05-16T11:43:42Z")
> [@The\_Universe\_Lashes\_Out](#): > > **Der Trihs** is way better than **Dio**. But he is often boring, with his repeated “everyone who think differently than me is EVIL” schtick. I frequently agree(d) with both of them, but the hatred of people who don’t share their worldview is pretty childish. You know who I really miss? That Muslim person, **Aldebarron** , or whatever. He at least had a unique perspective. Collounsbury is the abrasive guy I miss. He was like Rudyard Kipling’s drunken uncle–full of vast stories and insight, unabashedly colonial, unwilling to suffer fools, and often insufferable, but dangit, I liked him. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/44 "2013-05-16T12:45:59Z")
I think it will be interesting to see if anything comes of the OP’s question. The mods frequently make the point to those butthurt about mod notes that a mod note is not a warning, that they are more attempts to steer posters away from trouble than to discipline them. To then turn around and use those mod notes as evidence of rule breaking? ATMB will be full of butthurt posters whining about every little mod note because they will now see them as official moderator action or something equally devastating. People like Oakminister already see them as evidence of mod abuse, they would go insane if mod notes were ever once publicly used as part of a banning process. Either a note is a just a note and doesn’t mean anything permanent, or it is gospel and must be obeyed, in which case just call it a warning and be done with. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/45 "2013-05-16T13:03:31Z")
> [@](#): > > And Der or Dio or any other poster doesn’t have to be a genius poster to be interesting. Sometimes, their posts PULL OUT interesting posts from other posters who just may damn well be geniuses. I like to see that interaction. ^ this right here and I like VARIETY, you know?😛 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/46 "2013-05-16T13:07:55Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Well, you could go to that other board with much more liberal rules and lax moderation to read **Dio’s** posts, but you’ll have to confine yourself to one specific forum on that board, as he only lasted a few months there before he wore out his welcome and ended up “boxed for life”. > > So, no, it’s not this MB that can’t handle certain posters. It’s certain posters who can’t handle Message Boards. [Artie Johnson]Veerry interesting.[/Artie Johnson] I really should get out more to keep up with developments in other places. Thanks for the update, **John Mace**. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/47 "2013-05-16T13:17:15Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > Are some of you seriously asking mods to ban a poster you don’t like? No, most of us aren’t even asking for a ban, and it’s not about whether we like someone or not. The mods ask for a certain level of respect be maintained in GD, and I think this is a good thing. If a poster cannot or will not accept that (as evidenced by endless mod notes), then there are other forums to play in. Re-read the OP. The central question is how do you rack up 12 mod notes in one year and not get a warning? And that’s just one year. This has been going on for as long as I can remember. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/48 "2013-05-16T13:21:09Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > You must admit, he _is_ remarkably long-lived for a red-shirt… 😛 Maybe he is the plucky comic relief. You ever think about that? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/49 "2013-05-16T14:19:03Z")
> [@G-SE](#): > > He’s averaging some kind of mod interaction about once a month, sometimes within just days of a previous scolding. Why do these continued infractions never amount to at least an official warning or anything harsher than “knock it off”? As I _also_ said in the other thread, he has been warned at times, and I typically opt for mod notes instead of warnings because his posts are generally on topic but will also have some kind of enormous generalization or inflammatory statement. > [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Welp. It is begun. I guess I can cross Der Trish off my ‘interesting posts to read on the dope’ list, along with Dio. Won’t be long now. You can skip the melodrama; we don’t ban people by popular vote. > [@](#): > > Are we to the point where we just want anyone who has an opinion that we find stupid to be warned until finally banned? I think posters here have been asking this for about 10 years - so probably not. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And I have gotten two warnings over the years; one for personal insult (that I don’t think was one), and one of which was just a misunderstanding on the mod’s part (confusing “you” as a inclusive term for people in general, for you as in the poster I was talking to). It wasn’t a misunderstanding. You wrote this to a conservative poster: > [@"When Did The GOP Lose Touch With Reality" by David Frum](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-gop-lose-touch-with-reality-by-david-frum/604320/121): > > It’s not like there’s any other alternative; the Republicans are crazy and unscrupulous. Supporting them means that you are too, or that you are too stupid/ignorant to realize it. Which is pretty insulting and the wording suggested it was directed at another (conservative poster). If you’d skipped the “you” part I might’ve reacted differently. But moving on: > [@](#): > > Because I do “knock it off”. In the context of individual threads, yes, you do. But you repeat the same behavior in a lot of threads. Try avoiding the “religious people hate women and want them to die” and “Republicans hate the poor” stuff and you won’t get the mod notes in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/50 "2013-05-16T14:29:29Z")
I think the question is why moderator action takes the form of: mod note, mod note, mod note, warning, mod note, mod note, mod note… Instead of: mod note, mod note, mod note, warning, warning, warning, stronger action. Seems like once a warning has been issued for “doing x”, if a poster “does x” again, another warning is due. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/51 "2013-05-16T14:29:16Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Which is pretty insulting and the wording suggested it was directed at another (conservative poster). If you’d skipped the “you” part I might’ve reacted differently. Which is why I didn’t argue with you about the matter and have tried to remember to avoid using “you” in the general sense since then. > [@Marley23](#): > > Try avoiding the “religious people hate women and want them to die” and “Republicans hate the poor” stuff and you won’t get the mod notes in the first place. I lie poorly, and the latter is what I genuinely believe. And the former is an exaggeration of my beliefs; however, the religious people who _don’t_ hate women are largely silent in this country so they really don’t come up much. They’ve long since ceded the public face of American religion to the right wingers, who most certainly do hate women. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/52 "2013-05-16T14:36:47Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > I think it will be interesting to see if anything comes of the OP’s question. The mods frequently make the point to those butthurt about mod notes that a mod note is not a warning, that they are more attempts to steer posters away from trouble than to discipline them. > > To then turn around and use those mod notes as evidence of rule breaking? ATMB will be full of butthurt posters whining about every little mod note because they will now see them as official moderator action or something equally devastating. People like Oakminister already see them as evidence of mod abuse, they would go insane if mod notes were ever once publicly used as part of a banning process. > > Either a note is a just a note and doesn’t mean anything permanent, or it is gospel and must be obeyed, in which case just call it a warning and be done with. **Saraya** was just banned for “2 warnings and numerous mod notes.” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/53 "2013-05-16T14:42:47Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I lie poorly, and the latter is what I genuinely believe. And the former is an exaggeration of my beliefs; however, the religious people who _don’t_ hate women are largely silent in this country so they really don’t come up much. They’ve long since ceded the public face of American religion to the right wingers, who most certainly do hate women. I don’t take issue with the genuineness of your beliefs. My issue is with what you choose to say and how you say it, and this this is your automatic response to a significant number of threads. If you know how to respond and modify your statements when you get a mod note, why not do that _before_ posting these kind of broadsides? You are obviously able to do it. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/54 "2013-05-16T14:43:16Z")
> [@PBear42](#): > > **Mr Dribble** , do I count? Not if you can’t read my name, no. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/55 "2013-05-16T14:45:10Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > The central question is how do you rack up 12 mod notes in one year and not get a warning? And that’s just one year. This has been going on for as long as I can remember. Pffft. Some people rack up that many notes in a month, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/56 "2013-05-16T14:55:48Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Pffft. Some people rack up that many notes in a month, I’m sure. I doubt it, but if you can find someone who got 12 mod notes in a month and no warnings, that would be an interesting data point. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/57 "2013-05-16T15:02:09Z")
I doubt you could find anybody who got 12 mod notes in a month, particularly for separate incidents. However I will say again that **Der Trihs** did get a warning within the last year. Strictly speaking it wasn’t for off-topic comments, but it was for the same kind of stuff people are complaining about. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/58 "2013-05-16T15:29:12Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I will say again that **Der Trihs** did get a warning within the last year. Strictly speaking it wasn’t for off-topic comments, but it was for the same kind of stuff people are complaining about. IIUC, he was warned for a personal insult. (He denies it.) So no, it was not for the same kind of stuff people are complaining about here, because no one here is complaining about being personally insulted. They are complaining about his off-topic and inflammatory posts, for which he has never been warned. So the question remains - how many times do you get mod-noted and repeat the same behavior in a different thread without any further consequence besides another mod note? If the purpose of the mod note is to forestall the behavior _in that thread_, then it appears to be working fine. If the purpose is to prevent the behavior in future threads, it appears to be working very little, if at all. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/59 "2013-05-16T15:29:18Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > \You can skip the melodrama; we don’t ban people by popular vote… I am not at all convinced that mods aren’t sometimes very swayed by popular vote, to the point of panic and haste and meetings and reworkings and chaos. And your calling me ‘melodramatic’ doesn’t have the teensiest effect on my opinion or my willingness to express my opinions. Those sort of buzzwords don’t work on me, as my style tends to be very anti drama queen, in general. I mainly posted to log my vote that I don’t think Der needs to be banned or warned more because he has racked up some mod notes. I get the feeling that the days of just sitting back quietly nodding when it comes to issues on this message board isn’t going to get it anymore…one has to speak up. Because those who DO speak up and make threads like this may be perceived as a majority, and the mods may feel a need to take further action against a poster who many, maybe most, posters see as valuable or at least harmless and non-annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461/60 "2013-05-16T15:29:50Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > If you know how to respond and modify your statements when you get a mod note, why not do that _before_ posting these kind of broadsides? You are obviously able to do it. Because he knows he’ll get away with it. Then he only has to wait for a couple of weeks and then he gets to do it again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curious-when-enough-is-enough-der-trihs/658461.md?page=4)