# Curlcoat, what's the deal with you? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 22, 2008, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379 "2008-12-22T22:48:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/221 "2009-01-05T15:00:13Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > In our city, almost all of the property tax income goes to education. Cite? Now. > [@](#): > > _As for rentals, for the most part illegals cannot afford to pay that for an apartment._ Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/222 "2009-01-05T15:04:33Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Hon, you apparently live in Huntington Beach or Long Beach, maybe Laguna Beach or Newport. Do you think that all of the public schools are the same as the one you have, whereever you are? Hee hee hee… ignorance is showing again… While Laguna Beach USD and Newport Mesa USD are indeed Basic Aid districts (which only assures more $, not higher standards or quality), districts in many affluent coastal communities are not. For example, Capistrano USD is generally a poor quality district, and Newport-Mesa USD isn’t far behind. So, no, all school districts aren’t the same as where I live- some are much, much better! 🙂 Again, how about some legit cites for your rantings? ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/223 "2009-01-05T15:55:59Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Do you understand the difference between Illinois and California? Do you share a border with a third world country that doesn’t speak English? I take it you have never been to Indiana then. I kid, I kid. Indiana folks are the best folks anywhere! ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/224 "2009-01-05T16:01:05Z")
Oh, brother. You think no other state in the union can possibly know anything about the issues involved with a large non-English-speaking population, huh? We had students who spoke over 80 different native languages at the school I was at, just outside of Chicago, IL. As for your assertion that even babysat kids learn something, I will cheerfully attest that the kids I babysat as a teenager didn’t learn a damn thing, except possibly how to save the Princess at the end of Super Mario World. Babysitting /= schooling. I am glad you agree with this. And now I am out of this thread, as I am starting to suspect that we are being trolled, or at least are having discourse with a clever (for a brick wall) brick wall. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/225 "2009-01-05T17:10:15Z")
One last try, just for fun- > [@EJsGirl](#): > > **curlcoat** , did posts #170 & 197 contain too much actual information and first-hand knowledge of CA’s education funding and property tax practices for you to deal with? Just wondering… Any response? > [@](#): > > _In our city, almost all of the property tax income goes to education._ Still waiting for your cite… ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/226 "2009-01-05T23:18:55Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > Hi curlcoat, just in case you missed it above, could you answer my questions? > > (1) Do I read your previous posts correctly that you have employed an illegal alien? I don’t know if I did or not, it was only after the gardener just suddenly stopped coming to do the lawn that I wondered if that was the reason. > [@](#): > > (2) Is my presumtion correct that you failed to report the income you paid to such individual(s) to state and federal tax authorities? I don’t do the taxes so I am not in a position to know if I am supposed to report a payment I make to a company for a service or not. Nor do I know if it was reported. However, I rather doubt that I am required to do so. If you hire a company to come lay sod in your front yard, do you report that on your income tax return? > [@](#): > > And a bonus question: > (3) As a non-contributing sow suckling on the public teat, don’t you see just a teensy smidgen of irony in your positions? What makes you think I am non-contributing or suckling on the public teat? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/227 "2009-01-05T23:25:40Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > By the way, what’s your “disability”? Ignoring the rest as just drive by, my disability is two kinds of arthritis, chronic tendonitis, raynaud’s and IBD. These are the things that have finally made it impossible for me to hold on to a full time job. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/228 "2009-01-05T23:34:57Z")
For someone who doesn’t hold a job, and doesn’t do the taxes, you sure do a lot bitching about taxes, on money that you don’t even earn. If I were you, I’d thank my husband and shut the fuck up about it. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/229 "2009-01-05T23:40:49Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > It’s likely representative of your average ESL program, I’d say. Obviously there is no way for me to know what school district you live in, so how could I provide a cite that applies directly to where you pay taxes? I guarantee your area has a similar program in place. Look it up. Or prove me wrong by offering a countercite, in which case I will concede that I am wrong. I did look but all I could find referred to adults. Since you are so good at it and since you know I live in Southern California, try that. Start with Los Angeles. > [@](#): > > So the school where you went was not glorified babysitting, just underfunded, but the school in your district now is just glorified babysitting? Did you not notice that I mentioned two different school districts? The underfunded one tried their best to teach but since they were using things like a set of encyclopedias that were 20+ years old, the quality of some of the education was lacking. That was grades 1 - 4. We then moved to a better funded school district and my brother and I went to summer school to catch up, but we did get a better, maybe better than average education until we went to high school. When we got there we ended up with a school that was trying some new age thing, I forget what it was called, where the students drove the curriculum rather than the school, sort of like college. The students had very few requred classes, were not required to show up for class, the campus was open and there were essentially useless classes like English & Modern Art - that was an english class where the students wrote essays interpreting modern art. _That_ school was a glorified babysitter. I very rarely went to class, studied enough to pass the tests so I’d get a grade and took the bare minimum needed to graduate. Students who came out of that school were seriously unready for college, so eventually the idea was dropped, tho I don’t know when. Less that 10 years as my last two brothers did not have it when they went there. > [@](#): > > How do you know this? What exactly do you know about what goes on in your local school district? Is this just another opinion stated as fact? I have said that I base my opinions on the end result - the product that our schools are sending out into the work force. > [@](#): > > Please find your school’s No Child Left Behind report card online and post a link, so we can have at least some modicum of information to judge for ourselves. Maybe because I live in a smaller city, I couldn’t find anything about my specific school district. I did find some about Los Angeles and they didn’t look very good. Have a look. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/230 "2009-01-05T23:49:19Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Your city is completely unique in the entire State of California in this regard? I’d be fascinated to know what city this is. Older cities, who are not building infrastructure of sewers, road, etc tend to put more property tax money into education than newer cities that are still building. There is nothing unique about my school district or tax system. And that is all I have time for right now, maybe even today since I have to leave in half an hour. The next posts are demanding cites, which means I have to do a bunch of Googling for your pleasure (tho I note that **EJs Girl** couldn’t be bothered to state what percentage of her property taxes go to her city’s school district) and I don’t have time for that. I can’t even keep up with the number of unbelievably immature posts and really amazing wrong assumptions as it is without having to go about proving that - gasp! - things might be different in places where you all don’t live! What a concept… ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/231 "2009-01-06T00:16:13Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Older cities, who are not building infrastructure of sewers, road, etc tend to put more property tax money into education than newer cities that are still building. There is nothing unique about my school district or tax system. “More” does not equal “almost all.” I’ll echo the call for a cite of a California municipality that puts almost all of its revenues into education. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/232 "2009-01-06T00:42:08Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Older cities, who are not building infrastructure of sewers, road, etc tend to put more property tax money into education than newer cities that are still building. There is nothing unique about my school district or tax system. > > And that is all I have time for right now, maybe even today since I have to leave in half an hour. The next posts are demanding cites, which means I have to do a bunch of Googling for your pleasure (tho I note that **EJs Girl** couldn’t be bothered to state what percentage of her property taxes go to her city’s school district) and I don’t have time for that. I can’t even keep up with the number of unbelievably immature posts and really amazing wrong assumptions as it is without having to go about proving that - gasp! - things might be different in places where you all don’t live! What a concept… Can you even fucking read? The portion of your property taxes that go towards schools **do not go to your city** - they go to Sacramento for redistribution. Local property taxes do NOT go directly to local schools via your city. And your not being able to find stats on your local school district is a bald-faced lie. Every district posts them on it’s website. Tell me the name of your school district (not necessarily your city alone, which you’d know if you had a clue what you are talking about) and I will post their stats for you. It’ll take me about two minutes to find them, tops. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/233 "2009-01-06T00:42:23Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > …Did you not notice that I mentioned two different school districts? The underfunded one tried their best to teach but since they were using things like a set of encyclopedias that were 20+ years old, the quality of some of the education was lacking. That was grades 1 - 4. We then moved to a better funded school district and my brother and I went to summer school to catch up, but we did get a better, maybe better than average education until we went to high school. When we got there we ended up with a school that was trying some new age thing, I forget what it was called, where the students drove the curriculum rather than the school, sort of like college. The students had very few requred classes, were not required to show up for class, the campus was open and there were essentially useless classes like English & Modern Art - that was an english class where the students wrote essays interpreting modern art. _That_ school was a glorified babysitter. I very rarely went to class, studied enough to pass the tests so I’d get a grade and took the bare minimum needed to graduate. Students who came out of that school were seriously unready for college, so eventually the idea was dropped, tho I don’t know when. Less that 10 years as my last two brothers did not have it when they went there… Ah, so you’ve always been a victim. A poor weak thing, buffetted about by forces stronger than you. Your second school: “trying some new age thing, I forget what it was called.” You weren’t required to show up for class–so you didn’t. Then you didn’t even consider college “eventually the idea was dropped, tho I don’t know when.” (Hey–some colleges love that “essentially useless” stuff.) After your victimization by Hubbie #1, you’re putting all your trust in Hubbie #2. He does all the taxes–that stuff is beyond you. Since you did work for years–what happened to all that money? You’re too sick to work & plan to get government money any day now. If that income source doesn’t work out–just how useful will you be to Current Hubbie? And you claim to be “Child Free.” Don’t have kids? Don’t want kids? Hey–no problem! But you spend your days obsessing about other people’s children, instead of just living your life. It sounds as though you do have real physical problems. But–try to get help for the other problems. Your pets need you, even if nobody else does. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/234 "2009-01-06T00:46:35Z")
> [@EJsGirl](#): > > In general, property taxes paid to the state of California are distributed as follows- > > City- 21% > County- 27% > State/Schools- 45% > Special Districts- 7% > > Special districts are water, irrigation, sanitation, parks & recreation, mosquito abatement, fire and others. Redevelopment agencies are also special districts. Quoted again because you can’t seem to grasp it- schools are a different piece of the pie. And again- > [@](#): > > - > > … in CA, local taxes do not fund local schools- all the $ goes up to Sacramento, where lots of folks get to run their fingers over it, and then some of it is funneled back down to the school districts- not evenly as mentioned earlier…\* ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/235 "2009-01-07T04:13:23Z")
> [@EJsGirl](#): > > One last try, just for fun- > > Any response? I’ll go back and look at that one, no it was two. You all have just been having way too much fun in here, I haven’t been able to keep up. > [@](#): > > Still waiting for your cite… I spent time on this last nite and was unable to find it online. It comes with our tax bill every six months, which we then just throw away because our mortgage company pays our property taxes. We won’t get another one until March/April. Unless you all want to wait until then, someone is going to have to come up with search terms that actually work. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/236 "2009-01-07T04:15:27Z")
curlcoat, what city do you live in? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/237 "2009-01-07T04:21:20Z")
OK, I had already responded to #170, so you can go look for that. > [@EJsGirl](#): > > In general, property taxes paid to the state of California are distributed as follows- > > City- 21% > County- 27% > State/Schools- 45% > Special Districts- 7% > > Special districts are water, irrigation, sanitation, parks & recreation, mosquito abatement, fire and others. Redevelopment agencies are also special districts. And this proves what WRT to what I have said? 21% of the property taxes I pay go to my city and my city dumps most of that into the schools. Another 45% goes to the schools, so at least 60% goes to the schools and maybe more depending on how much the city actually spends of their 21%. Not to mention if the county is sending anything, tho I rather doubt it. Now note - I am not going to make you cite this because a) I’m not an asshole, and b) it appears reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/238 "2009-01-07T04:22:51Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > For someone who doesn’t hold a job, and doesn’t do the taxes, you sure do a lot bitching about taxes, on money that you don’t even earn. > > If I were you, I’d thank my husband and shut the fuck up about it. Oh brother. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/239 "2009-01-07T04:27:48Z")
> [@EJsGirl](#): > > Can you even fucking read? The portion of your property taxes that go towards schools **do not go to your city** - they go to Sacramento for redistribution. Local property taxes do NOT go directly to local schools via your city. > > And your not being able to find stats on your local school district is a bald-faced lie. Every district posts them on it’s website. Tell me the name of your school district (not necessarily your city alone, which you’d know if you had a clue what you are talking about) and I will post their stats for you. It’ll take me about two minutes to find them, tops. Go ahead and prove that you can find this by posting a link to these stats for your school district. Has to be some reason why you were so cutsey about not admitting which Beach you live in. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/240 "2009-01-07T04:40:09Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I don’t do the taxes so I am not in a position to know if I am supposed to report a payment I make to a company for a service or not. Nor do I know if it was reported. However, I rather doubt that I am required to do so. If you hire a company to come lay sod in your front yard, do you report that on your income tax return? If you pay money to an individual, you don’t report it on your income tax return. You file a 1099 form with the IRS. If it’s a matter paying of an actual company with a business license, that may be different. But a moot point regardless. The key thing is, you feel that Mexicans are good enough to lay sod in your yard but you don’t want their children in your schools. Isn’t that about the size of it? > [@](#): > > What makes you think I am non-contributing or suckling on the public teat? Where does your disability pay come from? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379.md?page=13)