# Curlcoat, what's the deal with you? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 22, 2008, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379 "2008-12-22T22:48:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/261 "2009-01-08T15:03:57Z")
> [@EJsGirl](#): > > The gov’t should _love_ that- she will probably never file a tax return or disability claim to get any of that money back (which is rightfully hers). Some research has shown that undocumented people actually cost the state less than ordinary citizens, because even tho they pay taxes, they often don’t dare trying to access services that they are entitled to (eg income tax refunds, municipal services like libraries, etc). **curlcoat** , the only way for undocumented people to avoid paying property taxes is if someone else is paying it for them. In other words, I am a tenant but I have always paid property taxes, because my landlords have always included the cost in the rent they charge me (and they have never asked to see my passport before doing so). Otherwise they would have been taking a loss on my tenancy. Are you suggesting that it is a widespread practice for landlords to pay the property taxes on behalf of their undocumented tenants, rather than passing along the cost in the rent? This doesn’t make much economic sense to me but it’s the only way that your assertion (that “illegals don’t pay property taxes”) can possibly work. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/262 "2009-01-08T15:11:05Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > As for you, I’d suggest you have a look at what you post and see if maybe some of these things might apply to you. “I know you are but what am I”? Seriously? _Seriously?_ Okay, folks, she’s all yours. I’m done wasting my time. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/263 "2009-01-08T15:12:11Z")
> [@cowgirl](#): > > Some research has shown that undocumented people actually cost the state less than ordinary citizens, because even tho they pay taxes, they often don’t dare trying to access services that they are entitled to (eg income tax refunds, municipal services like libraries, etc). > > **curlcoat** , the only way for undocumented people to avoid paying property taxes is if someone else is paying it for them. In other words, I am a tenant but I have always paid property taxes, because my landlords have always included the cost in the rent they charge me (and they have never asked to see my passport before doing so). Otherwise they would have been taking a loss on my tenancy. > > Are you suggesting that it is a widespread practice for landlords to pay the property taxes on behalf of their undocumented tenants, rather than passing along the cost in the rent? This doesn’t make much economic sense to me but it’s the only way that your assertion (that “illegals don’t pay property taxes”) can possibly work. Whatever curlcoat comes back with, I predict it will remind me of [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbVKWCpNFhY). ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/264 "2009-01-08T15:35:41Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m not fond of the term “African-American” myself and refuse to use it. My own heritage is irrelevant to this. At one time I thought this too, but then I read a little more about the difference. ‘Black’ is just a race, and if that’s all you’re talking about that’s fine, but ‘African American’ defines an urban community were past ‘Italian American’ and ‘Irish Americans’ predominated. Since it’s the culture that is often referred too (rap, baggy jeans, ebonics whatever) it makes sense to be clearer. All this without tap dancing around delicate politically correct sensibilities. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/265 "2009-01-08T21:31:55Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > I did have more right to SSI after my father’s death than you did. You mentioned that your father even graduated college; mine was taking evening classes while working full time–when he was called back to active duty. Explain how a child has “more right” to SSI benefits than a 50+ woman who has worked (and therefore contributed to the fund) and is now disabled does? > [@](#): > > It’s a secret! People with brains figure these things out. Too bad about the GPA. Too bad none of that went together, but I suppose that is how you avoid answering questions when you don’t have an answer. > [@](#): > > You obviously have time to read up on the latest right wing talking points. Why don’t you use some of our ample leisure time to improve your mind? “Littering” is not the only way to provide for future workers–immigration helps. Nope, I am apolitical so I have no idea what the right wing has to say about anything. As for (what I assume you meant) my ample leisure time, I don’t really have that much, certainly not as much as you appear to. As for littering vs immigration, those are two separate subjects. > [@](#): > > Hey, he’ll prefer becoming a greeter at WalMart to spending time at home with you! If he did, he would have done that for the seven months he was unemployed instead of spending the time here with me. Perhaps this is why you are unmarried, if this is your image of married people? > [@](#): > > No, I’m not the one pitted because of my really amazing ignorance! Actually, I was pitted because the pitter couldn’t understand me. > [@](#): > > Thanks for removing every last bit of compassion I’d felt for you. Bleeding Heart Liberal & all–I do have limitations. That’s nice to know - I hope it’s true of the other bleeding liberals. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/266 "2009-01-08T21:33:17Z")
> [@EJsGirl](#): > > I can prove it- I paid all state and federal taxes for my housekeeper/nanny, plus she had all appropriate taxes taken out of her checks, when she worked for me. Although she had a social security card with her own name on it, it came to light that her status was questionable (she had started the process to “get legal” but she was not, yet). > > As an employer, I was required to get an SSN from her, not to confirm it’s veracity. She and I paid all taxes associated with her employment. The gov’t should _love_ that- she will probably never file a tax return or disability claim to get any of that money back (which is rightfully hers). Ah, OK, there’s one… ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/267 "2009-01-08T21:42:10Z")
> [@cowgirl](#): > > Some research has shown that undocumented people actually cost the state less than ordinary citizens, because even tho they pay taxes, they often don’t dare trying to access services that they are entitled to (eg income tax refunds, municipal services like libraries, etc). On the other hand, they do have access to things like WIC, ADF, MediCal, the roads, the water, the sewers… I’m quite sure you can find better than “some research” that will show this is a big issue in S Cal. > [@](#): > > **curlcoat** , the only way for undocumented people to avoid paying property taxes is if someone else is paying it for them. In other words, I am a tenant but I have always paid property taxes, because my landlords have always included the cost in the rent they charge me (and they have never asked to see my passport before doing so). Otherwise they would have been taking a loss on my tenancy. If you are a landlord and you rent out a 2 or 3 bedroom house, do you charge more for the rent if there are six people living there rather than four? Or in the case of my next door neighboors, do you think they paid more property taxes when his illegal immigrant mother lived with them? There are at least eight people living in the house across the street and I have no idea about their status, but if all of them except the couple that own the house and their kid are illegal, does the homeowner pay more property taxes than he would if it was just the three of them? You should probably look into how things are outside of your own area before you make assumptions about what goes on here. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/268 "2009-01-08T21:43:35Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > Whatever curlcoat comes back with, I predict it will remind me of [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbVKWCpNFhY). I’m on dial up so I’m not going to waste my time waiting for that to load. You’ll have to let me know if you were right. OTOH, you said you were done in here… ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/269 "2009-01-08T22:14:50Z")
I am responding to everybody with an individual post for each person post count +1 bitches! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/270 "2009-01-11T09:46:18Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > At one time I thought this too, but then I read a little more about the difference. ‘Black’ is just a race, and if that’s all you’re talking about that’s fine, but ‘African American’ defines an urban community were past ‘Italian American’ and ‘Irish Americans’ predominated. Since it’s the culture that is often referred too (rap, baggy jeans, ebonics whatever) it makes sense to be clearer. All this without tap dancing around delicate politically correct sensibilities. I guess I’ll just have to risk the inaccuracy, then. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/271 "2009-01-11T11:26:08Z")
There are people still in here wasting their time with **Curlcoat**? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-whats-the-deal-with-you/478379/272 "2009-01-11T15:46:38Z")
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