# curlcoat...yet again. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 18, 2012, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298 "2012-05-18T10:11:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/281 "2012-06-04T05:09:55Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > You seriously have a problem with worshipping children if you think it is acceptable to allow children to wreck people’s lives rather than be decently constrained. Quite honestly, what do you expect the neighborhood to do, let these little brats cost someone their job because of sleep deprivation or expect the parents to restrain them? The truly pitiful, pathetic thing is that you lack awareness of any way of life outside of the protected middle class bubble. What I have a problem with is grown-ass men threatening to beat up another man because of the behavior of CHILDREN, you trickster conwoman. What I have a problem with is that the vast majority of non-brain-damaged people recognize that working different shifts means that the shift worker may have to make changes in their environment (earplugs, black-out curtains as mentioned by others), and don’t expect the entire world to accommodate their needs. What I have a problem with is that you and your neighbors (who are apparently as psychopathic as you are, which means there’s somewhere an entire neighborhood of people who would be better off behind bars) are seriously considering using other people as attack dogs. You are disgusting. You hide behind whatever culture and socio-economic status you’re claiming to encourage and support behaviors that are utterly bereft of empathy, compassion, human decency, or intelligence. You take people’s money by playing on their vulnerabilities. You have nothing of value to offer the world, your family, your neighborhood, or humanity. If you don’t understand that adults plotting to beat up a person for the behavior of their children is fantastically morally bankrupt, you are beyond any consideration for participation in society. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/282 "2012-06-04T15:14:03Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > If you don’t understand that adults plotting to beat up a person for the behavior of their children is fantastically morally bankrupt, you are beyond any consideration for participation in society. Would you perfer they beat up the children? Anyway the purpose of the beat-down would have been to punish the father for his failure at disciplining his children. In the real world sometimes, the police are overburdened and neighborhood problems have to be handled by the community. This is basically how all human societies have operated since we started living together in groups. if the asshole parents had shown consideration for their neighbors, not just their kids, there would not have been a problem. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/283 "2012-06-04T15:18:24Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > I have worked nights in the past, and sleeping during the day sucks. But you buy earplugs and suck it up, because it’s nobody else’s fault that you have decided to sleep all day and work all night. What do you do about all the other daytime noises - lawn mowers, weed whackers, leaf blowers, the neighbour reroofing their house, cars and motorcycles revving, garbage and recycling trucks, people walking past and talking, adults out in their yard having BBQs? Or are all those things okay, but kids are not? These people showed no attempt to curb their larvae under any circumstances. The rest of us do and we so attempt to coordinate daytime noises around people’s schedules. It’s not that difficult to ask your neighbor what his or her schedule is and organize your lawn mowing, household repairs, etc. around that. If a baker working 10-hour to 14-hour shifts could do it, those people certainly could have. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/284 "2012-06-04T15:24:55Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Would you perfer they beat up the children? I’m sure \*you \*would. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/285 "2012-06-04T15:39:14Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > These people showed no attempt to curb their larvae under any circumstances. The rest of us do and we so attempt to coordinate daytime noises around people’s schedules. It’s not that difficult to ask your neighbor what his or her schedule is and organize your lawn mowing, household repairs, etc. around that. If a baker working 10-hour to 14-hour shifts could do it, those people certainly could have. You’re out of your mind. If you live in a city, there is no way you can coordinade your schedule with everyone around you. Say you want to mow the lawn (a noise I have been woken by much more often than kid noises). When is the right time? After work on a weekday? Little kids go to bed early, and besides lots of people don’t get home until too late for that. During the day on a weekday? Most people are at work, nightshift workers are sleeping. Weekend morning? Lots of people like to sleep in. Weekend daytime? Again, the shift workers are sleeping. Middle of the night? Obviously not (although you probably think that is perfect). You would never find a perfect time to mow the lawn. That’s not to mention things like home repairs, which often take all day to work on and can’t be done in the dark. When is a person meant to have the roof repaired? I have lived in dozens of neighbourhoods, and not once has a neighbour ever come by to ask when it would be okay for them to mow their lawn. I would think it incredibly odd if they did. And unless they’re doing it at 3am or something, it would never occur to me to care. It’s obvious that both you and curlcoat expect everyone in the world to operate as though you are the center of the universe. Life doesn’t work that way. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/286 "2012-06-04T17:29:10Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > … if the asshole parents had shown consideration for their neighbors, not just their kids, there would not have been a problem. I don’t understand why, being a fortune teller, you didn’t see this problem coming. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/287 "2012-06-04T17:41:01Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > I have lived in dozens of neighbourhoods, and not once has a neighbour ever come by to ask when it would be okay for them to mow their lawn. I would think it incredibly odd if they did. And unless they’re doing it at 3am or something, it would never occur to me to care. It’s obvious that both you and curlcoat expect everyone in the world to operate as though you are the center of the universe. Life doesn’t work that way. It’s unfortunate that you have had inconsiderate neighbors. My neighborhood is a community. We try to get along with each other and help each other out. We have all found that life is much more pleasant that way. ---
**Author:** ![perfectparanoia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a5b964/32.png) [@perfectparanoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/perfectparanoia)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/288 "2012-06-04T18:46:27Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > It’s unfortunate that you have had inconsiderate neighbors. My neighborhood is a community. We try to get along with each other and help each other out. We have all found that life is much more pleasant that way. Our neighbourhood operates by helping each other out and get along. We have a few shiftworkers who’s houses back on to the play area (as ours does). You know what they do? They sleep while the kids are carrying on. Granted, we don’t tolerate screaming (of our children or of others). So, it is really no louder than when I am sitting out on my deck having a beer with the other parents. Our community thinks that the kids should be able to play and learn through play and freedom. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/289 "2012-06-04T19:30:02Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > It’s unfortunate that you have had inconsiderate neighbors. My neighborhood is a community. We try to get along with each other and help each other out. We have all found that life is much more pleasant that way. > [@ZPG Zealot](#): > > This particular pair of asshole parents couldn’t understand that which is why the heavy metal apocalypse party was a particularly appropriate response. They got a taste of their own medicine in the form of a very sleepless night and a warning that it would continue until they learned to control their brats. > [@ZPG Zealot](#): > > Rock the Block, as we like to refer to it now, was arrived after much neighborhood discussion and was the least violent option. Many of the neighborhood men were in favor of just beating the crap out of the childrens’ father or encouraging the cholos to target them. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![kayT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayt/32/3633_2.png) [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/290 "2012-06-04T19:36:32Z")
> [@perfectparanoia](#): > > Our neighbourhood operates by helping each other out and get along. > > We have a few shiftworkers who’s houses back on to the play area (as ours does). You know what they do? They sleep while the kids are carrying on. Granted, we don’t tolerate screaming (of our children or of others). > > So, it is really no louder than when I am sitting out on my deck having a beer with the other parents. > > Our community thinks that the kids should be able to play and learn through play and freedom. Please note your phrase “we don’t tolerate screaming” and remember that no one in here was objecting to normal kid play, just screaming. And again I say, if you have never lived next to someone who permitted their children to scream for many minutes at a time day and night then you probably don’t understand what those of us who have are so upset about. Just try believing us for a little while. We are really not all making it up. Some people DO tolerate screaming. It makes them un-fun to live next to. It makes some of us grumpy. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/291 "2012-06-04T20:05:03Z")
> [@kayT](#): > > Please note your phrase “we don’t tolerate screaming” and remember that no one in here was objecting to normal kid play, just screaming. And again I say, if you have never lived next to someone who permitted their children to scream for many minutes at a time day and night then you probably don’t understand what those of us who have are so upset about. Just try believing us for a little while. We are really not all making it up. Some people DO tolerate screaming. It makes them un-fun to live next to. It makes some of us grumpy. I have no doubt that there are some neighborhoods in which screaming children are a problem. And I have no doubt that there are some grumpy people in those neighborhoods. I, too, find constantly-screaming children irritating. That’s why I bought earplugs. I can only ask a clueless child (or parent) so many times to keep it down before I begin to realize that nothing’s going to change. I’m not discounting that it happens. I AM saying that beating up a parent (or a child), or threatening to use other people as attack dogs, indicates a psychopathic mindset. **ZPGZealot** is now on record as supporting the physical assault of parents whose children don’t behave the way she feels they should, and as supporting encouraging others to beat up those children themselves (as well as the rest of her nutty, truly evil belief system that she’s revealed in her posts in the past). That is a different level of “OMG screaming children” than just irritation and grumpiness. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > It’s unfortunate that you have had inconsiderate neighbors. My neighborhood is a community. We try to get along with each other and help each other out. We have all found that life is much more pleasant that way. A community of perfectly lovely psychopaths who help each other out by seriously considering physical assault on children as a valid problem-solving method. This isn’t a ‘think of the children’ post. This is a “you’re an evil fucking nutbag” post. ---
**Author:** ![perfectparanoia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a5b964/32.png) [@perfectparanoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/perfectparanoia)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/292 "2012-06-04T20:14:18Z")
> [@kayT](#): > > Please note your phrase “we don’t tolerate screaming” and remember that no one in here was objecting to normal kid play, just screaming. And again I say, if you have never lived next to someone who permitted their children to scream for many minutes at a time day and night then you probably don’t understand what those of us who have are so upset about. Just try believing us for a little while. We are really not all making it up. Some people DO tolerate screaming. It makes them un-fun to live next to. It makes some of us grumpy. From the tone of ZPG’s posts she was saying that the children should not play in the yard at all but should play at the park. My kids will play in our yard, TYVM. She mentioned no screaming. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/293 "2012-06-04T20:27:25Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Nobody has ever denied that there are annoying and obnoxious people out there, of all ages. If there weren’t annoying people, the BBQ Pit wouldn’t exist. But you seem to be absolutely surrounded by annoying kids - your have terrible neighbours, you are constantly exposed to screaming kids on planes and in restaurants and on vacation - it seems like you can hardly leave your house without encountering these awful modern kids who are nothing like the perfect angel you were as a child. Yeah right. I complain once every couple of months, if that, about a problem with noisy kids or breakage, and that must mean I’m surrounded by them. And if I complain about badly behaved kids that must mean I was an angel as a child, as if that has anything at all to do with the subject. Do you really not understand that you are making almost no sense? FWIW, I experienced no annoying kids this weekend or so far today. > [@](#): > > Also, if you have a noise ordinance in your neighbourhood then I fail to see how barking dogs would be illegal while loud screaming children are legal. It’s about the noise level (and often the time of day), not the source. Why don’t you follow your own advice and call the cops or pound on the door when you are troubled by the kids next door? I have no idea what the exact law is, but the police will come out if someone complains about barking dogs, or loud adult parties. When the neighbor across the street and one to the left called about one of the screaming kid pool parties that went on after midnight on a weekday (after speaking to the parents, etc) nothing happened. I imagine if someone called and said they thought a child was being abused, the police would come but apparently for just child noise they don’t. > [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Well, she apparently is the sort of person who calls the police for minor noise issues, so, yes. No, I have never called the police on any noise issue, minor or not. I have had them called on my dogs twice in 20 years, and the old guy down the street has called on a few parties, plus the neighbor above. > [@kayT](#): > > I suggest you read through the BBQ Pit and see how many people don’t actually take “annoyances and shit in their stride” on a regular basis. Why is it everyone can bitch about lousy drivers and stupid customers but bitching about horrid children is verboten? I hope someone actually gives you an answer on this one other than “they don’t exist”. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/294 "2012-06-04T21:49:07Z")
> [@kayT](#): > > Some people DO tolerate screaming. It makes them un-fun to live next to. It makes some of us grumpy. A new neighbor across the street not only LET her 3 year old daughter scream, she would go out there and join in the screaming! :eek: But, you know what? We didn’t say a thing to them, just closed the storm windows on that side when necessary. Because having a neighborhood without vendettas and illwill is far more important to us than having to occasionally shut a window or turn on a fan for white noise or whatever. And the screaming? It went away within a few months. I guess it’s a phase some little girls go through. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/295 "2012-06-04T22:13:58Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > But, you know what? We didn’t say a thing to them, just closed the storm windows on that side when necessary. Because having a neighborhood without vendettas and illwill is far more important to us than having to occasionally shut a window or turn on a fan for white noise or whatever. > > And the screaming? It went away within a few months. I guess it’s a phase some little girls go through. Yep. We live in a condo and sadly for us and our nearest neighbours, Junior had colic for a few months when he was wee. You know what? None of our neighbours were assholes about it because they all had their own noise issues - toddlers running around, 9 and 10 year olds squealing and playing - hilariously - our Japanese neighbour who screams at the top of his lungs at his kids to ‘BE QUIET’ (in Japanese - I have a Japanese SIL which is the only reason I recognize what he is yelling and I find it hilarious. :D) If you live in society, sometimes you have to put up with noise from your neighbours. Nice people do this, don’t lose their shit about it, and recognize that as delightful as they believe themselves to be, guaranteed one of their neighbours thinks their a total shit head. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/296 "2012-06-04T22:20:16Z")
You know, I get that people are going to want to vent about screaming children. It’s the pit, people vent. And I get that living next to or across the street from constant screaming is going to drive people up a fucking wall. I had to do that in my last apartment - my building faced an open area that the children turned into the defacto playground, and the screaming oy the screaming! I bought earplugs, and the day it got egregious (nothing but screaming, no playing, just standing in the yard screaming, for 3 hours), I called management. They put a stop to it. If they hadn’t? There wouldn’t have been much I could do about it other than asking the kids to cut it the fuck out and hope they did. I wouldn’t have considered it an appropriate reaction to beat up their parents, or to find some other people to send to attack the kids. I think it’s perfectly valid to vent about noisy kids. I don’t think it’s perfectly valid to see kids, in general, as useless (ala curlcoat) or to think attacking them is the right action to take (ala ZPGZealot). ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/297 "2012-06-04T22:23:24Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > It’s unfortunate that you have had inconsiderate neighbors. My neighborhood is a community. We try to get along with each other and help each other out. We have all found that life is much more pleasant that way. My neighbourhood is a place where people don’t consider beating the shit out of each other to be a reasonable solution to a minor problem, so I think I’ll stick with where I live rather than your bizarre ‘community’. You never answered my question - if you ask around and some neighbours work days and others work nights, just when are you meant to do things like mow the lawn or fix the roof? Never? Some things in life make noise - if you really hate that, you should move out to the country where your nearest neighbours are miles away. > [@curlcoat](#): > > Yeah right. I complain once every couple of months, if that, about a problem with noisy kids or breakage, and that must mean I’m surrounded by them. And if I complain about badly behaved kids that must mean I was an angel as a child, as if that has anything at all to do with the subject. Yeah right, it’s way more than every couple of months. And you have specifically said that you were well behaved as a kid and kids today are terrible beasts, as though the children of the past never, ever had meltdowns or acted out. > [@](#): > > I hope someone actually gives you an answer on this one other than “they don’t exist”. Can you read? I answered her question in post #249. _Nobody has ever said that annoying kids don’t exist_. Nobody. And nobody has ever said that you can’t complain about the occasional annoyance. But if you do it over and over again, people are going to start thinking that you just have a personal problem and can’t handle living in a society that requires compromise. As **alice\_in\_wonderland** says, I can guarantee you that someone finds you absolutely as annoying and difficult to live with as you find the evil bouncy-house family. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/298 "2012-06-04T22:27:37Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > I bought earplugs, and the day it got egregious (nothing but screaming, no playing, just standing in the yard screaming, for 3 hours), I called management. They put a stop to it. If they hadn’t? There wouldn’t have been much I could do about it other than asking the kids to cut it the fuck out and hope they did. Imagine that day stretching into weeks. Imagine that day after you’ve put in ten to fourteen hours of heavy manual labor. Imagine the police are too busy and the parents of those kids are unwilling to do anything to stop the noise and imagine you need some sleep in order to get up the next morning in order put in another ten to fourteen hours of work to feed your family. That was the reality some of my neighbors were living with. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/299 "2012-06-04T22:38:39Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Imagine that day stretching into weeks. Imagine that day after you’ve put in ten to fourteen hours of heavy manual labor. Imagine the police are too busy and the parents of those kids are unwilling to do anything to stop the noise and imagine you need some sleep in order to get up the next morning in order put in another ten to fourteen hours of work to feed your family. That was the reality some of my neighbors were living with. I imagine that none of that actually happened in the way you describe it. And even if it was the actual truth, beating people up is illegal, and a psychopathic response. Considering setting other people (the “cholos” you mentioned) on the children to beat them up is also psychopathic. I don’t expect you to understand this. Psychopaths are usually incapable of seeing their own psychopathy. ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Hartwick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@Dave\_Hartwick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Hartwick)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/300 "2012-06-04T22:39:30Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Imagine that day stretching into weeks. Imagine that day after you’ve put in ten to fourteen hours of heavy manual labor. Imagine the police are too busy and the parents of those kids are unwilling to do anything to stop the noise and imagine you need some sleep in order to get up the next morning in order put in another ten to fourteen hours of work to feed your family. That was the reality some of my neighbors were living with. Imagine buying earplugs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298.md?page=16)