# curlcoat...yet again. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 18, 2012, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298 "2012-05-18T10:11:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/301 "2012-06-04T22:41:53Z")
> [@flatlined](#): > > Yanno…I don’t usually post in threads that are pitting other dopers…but I’m going to speak up now. > > I don’t think that **curlcoat** has a burning hatred of children. I think she is honestly confused. She has little or no experience with children, but she breeds, trains and shows dogs. She probably starts training her puppies as soon as their eyes are open. She is used to instant obedience, and doesn’t understand why children…who are smarter than dogs…won’t follow the rules. > > That said…I like\*\* curlcoat\*\*. All of my interactions with her have been positive. I think she has a fun sense of humor and gives good advice. Thanks for the support **flatlined**. You are on the right track there - being a dog trainer and having grown up in a time when children were not considered all important, I just don’t get why it is that so many parents these days don’t teach their kids basic manners. In some cases it appears because they themselves weren’t taught manners - wouldn’t today’s young parents have been born and raised during the Me Generation? I don’t know, I don’t get it and apparently even questioning it hits some very sensitive nerves. > [@kayT](#): > > You know, I live in a very quiet neighborhood now, and if I had lived here all my life I would probably be as skeptical as some of you are about the notion of children screaming (not playing; yelling at the TOP OF THEIR LUNGS for a very long time (20 or 30 minutes) in the middle of the night. I would invite you to my old house in LA so you could experience it for yourselves but the new lady who lives in our old house (and who doubtless sleeps with ear plugs) probably wouldn’t like it. Maybe it’s a S Cal thing - I sure don’t remember having to listen to so many screaming children in WA. Or maybe it’s our weather allowing these kids to scream outdoors more often! OTOH, when I first moved here there was only one family with young children on our block, and they never stood around and screamed. Since then, people have retired and moved (mostly to AZ) and young families have moved in. Perhaps if this neighborhood was only young families, it wouldn’t be an issue - they could just scream at each other. But there are still older folks living here and none of us appreciate the caterwauling. > [@Dave\_Hartwick](#): > > Yeah, I’ve seen curlcoat in BBQ Pit a lot, but nothing funny or useful. Mostly it’s bitching about other people’s kids. I was surprised, actually, that her bad idea pregnancy thread wasn’t in BBQ Pit. It was not in the Pit because I hoped to get rational responses, instead of lies and insults. > [@](#): > > I’ve pretty sure never seen anything from her-- worthwhile or no-- in GQ, Games or Cafe, the forums I read most. Admittedly, I only read a tiny bit of those. Maybe she’s awesome at fantasy football. She’s a total gash about kids, though, and sees other viewpoints about as readily as pail of dry cement. You mean, about as well as you see the viewpoint of those who don’t think 20 minutes of ear shattering screeching should be excused as just kids playing? OK. I’ve started a couple of threads in GQ but don’t go into Games or Cafe. However, just because you don’t consider it worthwhile doesn’t mean it’s so. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/302 "2012-06-04T23:05:16Z")
> [@Dave\_Hartwick](#): > > Imagine buying earplugs. I don’t remember that verse. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/303 "2012-06-04T23:08:19Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > I think it’s perfectly valid to vent about noisy kids. I don’t think it’s perfectly valid to see kids, in general, as useless (ala curlcoat) When have I said kids are useless? > [@Meyer6](#): > > Yeah right, it’s way more than every couple of months. Prove it. > [@](#): > > And you have specifically said that you were well behaved as a kid and kids today are terrible beasts, as though the children of the past never, ever had meltdowns or acted out. What you wish to read into what I post I cannot control. As for me saying I was well behaved, what I said was I wasn’t allowed to do the things that many people think kids have a right to do nowdays, such as the screaming and breaking things. When us kids did those sorts of things, it was stopped and we were punished if it was appropriate. And yes, many kids these days are terrible beasts, at least at the times that I have had the misfortune to have to interact with them. Again, simply because you don’t think the behavior is beastly doesn’t mean that it isn’t. > [@](#): > > Can you read? I answered her question in post #249. _Nobody has ever said that annoying kids don’t exist_. Nobody. You essentially did in that post because you like to pretend that I complain about kids all the time and that my complaints are petty and irrational. That no one else in the world other than the insane would be bothered by what I have described, that I am unreasonably upset by “normal” kid sounds. And then you lied - find one thread in this whole board that I started that was complaining about children. Prove that I jump into every thread about children to bitch. I’ll wait. It all lies on your doorstep. You have embellished and lied for so long and to such a great extent that you probably believe what you say now. If nothing else, I simply don’t have the time to sit around make all these posts you think I make. > [@Dave\_Hartwick](#): > > Imagine buying earplugs. Earplugs are not a cure all. When the people on the east side of us had their baby, it had colic (there is something about the way a colicy baby cries). Unfortunately for us, it was summer, meaning all the windows are open all night, and our bedroom is only 12 feet from their bedroom. My husband finally gave up and started sleeping in one of the guest rooms, and after trying earplugs I used the other one. Of course, we never complained to the neighbors, since there is a big difference between a colicy baby in it’s own home, and allowing ones older children to scream in the pool for hours on end. It’s all about consideration and entitlement. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/304 "2012-06-05T04:38:21Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Prove it. No. I’m done proving things to you because it makes no difference to you at all, largely because you have worms in your tiny little brain. If you want to believe that I’m lying and embellishing, you go right ahead. I’m sure it will warm the very cockles of your black child-hating heart. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/305 "2012-06-05T05:08:11Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > No. I’m done proving things to you because it makes no difference to you at all, largely because you have worms in your tiny little brain. If you want to believe that I’m lying and embellishing, you go right ahead. I’m sure it will warm the very cockles of your black child-hating heart. Ah, the **Meyer6** style - drop in, insult, lie, get called on it, insult some more while refusing to prove any of it. Oh, forgot - pretend that he has ever proven any of his lies. There, that’s it in a nutshell, right? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/306 "2012-06-05T05:21:28Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Earplugs are not a cure all. When the people on the east side of us had their baby, it had colic (there is something about the way a colicy baby cries). Yes, you are absolutely correct: there _is_ something about a colicky baby’s cries. They cry like that because they are in much pain. > [@](#): > > **Unfortunately for us** , it was summer, meaning all the windows are open all night, and our bedroom is only 12 feet from their bedroom. My husband finally gave up and started sleeping in one of the guest rooms, and after trying earplugs I used the other one. (my bolding) How terrible that must have been for you to move bedrooms to get some respite from that horrid noise. Oh wait… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/307 "2012-06-05T05:22:21Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Ah, the **Meyer6** style - drop in, insult, lie, get called on it, insult some more while refusing to prove any of it. Oh, forgot - pretend that he has ever proven any of his lies. There, that’s it in a nutshell, right? Ah, you poor deluded moron - getting accused of lying by you does not count as ‘getting called on it’. Getting called on something implies that I’ve been found out or exposed in some way. You never actually expose anything (you can’t, because I don’t lie about you at all), so this attempt at insulting my ‘style’ is meaningless. I know you hate it when I leave a thread or ‘drop in’ (WTF, how else does one enter a thread on a message board?), but I have other shit to do. I have quoted you extensively to prove your lies and craziness many, many times. The fact that you are blind to it is not my problem. The fact that you think I should keep arguing with you forever and ever even though nothing ever gets through is also not my problem. Really, the issue is the \*\*curlcoat \*\*style - come in without have read the thread, insult, lie, get told you are annoying and stupid, freak out and accuse everyone else of lying, scream ‘prove it!prove it!prove it!’ like a retarded parakeet, refuse to believe that anything is actually proof of your lies, insult and lie some more, attempt to get the last word, pretend that he has ever proved that he is an actual human being with actual human empathy. That’s it in a nutshell, right? ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/308 "2012-06-05T05:26:14Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > How terrible that must have been for you to move bedrooms to get some respite from that horrid noise. Oh wait… It’s especially terrible that she and her husband had to retire to two separate guest rooms in the other wing of the manor house to get away from the noise. What’s next, summoning the maid to close the windows and put the air conditioning on? What \*is \*the world coming to? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/309 "2012-06-05T06:04:53Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > It’s especially terrible that she and her husband had to retire to two separate guest rooms in the other wing of the manor house to get away from the noise. What’s next, summoning the maid to close the windows and put the air conditioning on? What \*is \*the world coming to? 😃 But seriously, how can one begin to reason with a person like **curlcoat**? Had someone else written about such an episode, it might have gone something like this: > [@](#): > > OMG…the baby next door screamed all fucking night with colic. Poor little tyke must have been suffering like crazy, and I can’t begin to imagine how the parents coped: it was bad enough for _us_ being kept awake with the noise!! But instead **curlcoat’s** focus was on her own discomfort and inconvenience. Her lack of empathy for others is really disturbing, especially when she masks that by accusing others of not having consideration for _her_ needs. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/310 "2012-06-05T10:05:58Z")
I just noticed this other post way back in the pages: > [@](#): > > Except I suppose because those too lazy to parent must also be too lazy to come up with an intelligent reason why their kid is standing in their front yard screaming at nothing for 15 minutes. So the Screaming Child Incident that you keep bringing up in support of your kidogynist mind-set lasted a whole FIFTEEN MINUTES? Fifteen minutes of non-stop screaming at nothing? Without a breather in between? And it lasted FIFTEEN MINUTES??? That must have ruined your whole **week** babe. I seriously reckon you have some sort of mental illness **curlcoat** (apart from pathological stupidity…that goes without saying). If fifteen minutes of kid noise is enough to trip you out, you really need to go live somewhere else: I’ve heard Antarctica is pretty quiet this time of year.\* \*Oh, maybe not: there’s penguins mating and seals doing wicked farts on the hinterlands. Might wanna go somewhere else where your sensibilities aren’t offended quite so much. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/311 "2012-06-05T12:36:54Z")
> [@flatlined](#): > > So…how does this make _ME_ an asshole? This is an online forum, I don’t know **Curlie** irl, I only know what she posts here. **Curlcoat** doesn’t like kids. I get it. I don’t like people who mow their yards before 9am on Saturday. This is an online forum. A place that we can rant or share. **Curlcoat** shares, just like the rest of us. > > Have I ever been an asshole to you? I don’t remember ever taling to you in the past. If I offended you, please tell me where and when. As far as I know, I’ve only been an asshole to one person here, and I meant every word I said. If I’ve offended you, please tell me where and when. While I don’t think you are being an asshole, this logic is silly. It doesn’t matter if you hurt me or anyone else if you are going around claiming that other assholes are not assholes. You are adding support to the person and making them less likely to change their behavior. Thus you share part of the responsibility for their further actions. Thing is, **curlcoat** doesn’t piss people off enough to make you an asshole for supporting her. This thread is the first time I even found out she had this pathological dislike of children. It’s still morally wrong, and I’m down with the moral shaming, but **curlcoat** ’s posts don’t generally infuriate me. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/312 "2012-06-05T15:09:46Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > I imagine that none of that actually happened in the way you describe it. And even if it was the actual truth, beating people up is illegal, and a psychopathic response. Considering setting other people (the “cholos” you mentioned) on the children to beat them up is also psychopathic. > > I don’t expect you to understand this. Psychopaths are usually incapable of seeing their own psychopathy. Beating people up is legal if it is self defense. The psychopaths in the neighborhoods were the assholes who felt they didn’t have to control their children for the common good. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/313 "2012-06-05T15:13:01Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Beating people up is legal if it is self defense. The psychopaths in the neighborhoods were the assholes who felt they didn’t have to control their children for the common good. Try that defense in court. I dare you. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/314 "2012-06-05T16:58:35Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > a retarded parakeet Excuse me, you massive rude wang - I HAD a retarded parakeet - he was MUCH less shrill and annoying than **curlcoat**. You take that back right now! ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/315 "2012-06-05T17:09:56Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Beating people up is legal if it is self defense. The psychopaths in the neighborhoods were the assholes who felt they didn’t have to control their children for the common good. STAY AWAY FROM CHILDREN. Don’t go within twenty feet of a kid. Or anyplace where there are likely to be kids including schools, hospitals, public parks, supermarkets or anywhere else. Move to an adults only community and stay there. :rolleyes: The only fucking psychopath here is you. You are clearly a threat to anyone under age 18 and should be treated as such. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/316 "2012-06-05T17:14:08Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > STAY AWAY FROM CHILDREN. > > Don’t go within twenty feet of a kid. Or anyplace where there are likely to be kids including schools, hospitals, public parks, supermarkets or anywhere else. Move to an adults only community and stay there. > > :rolleyes: > > The only fucking psychopath here is you. You are clearly a threat to anyone under age 18 and should be treated as such. Considering she’s threatening to beat up the _parents,_ I don’t know that “under age 18” is necessary there. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/317 "2012-06-05T17:14:59Z")
> [@Dave\_Hartwick](#): > > Imagine buying earplugs. People should not be forced to wear earplugs 24 hours a day in order to enjoy peace and quiet in their own homes. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/318 "2012-06-05T17:17:17Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > People should not be forced to wear earplugs 24 hours a day in order to enjoy peace and quiet in their own homes. I sincerely doubt that you are. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/319 "2012-06-05T17:25:20Z")
Wow… 7 pages about Curlcoat being off her head or not right in the head or whatever…. now people talking about beating up children and how it is ok or not ok, to discipline children and what fucked up society we are having – with or without curlcoat. However, people of this forum – nobody ever will have enough time to make Curlcoat see sense in any way – unless she herself decides to do so. She has an opinion (and a 100% accurate knowledge) about everything, you can think of – and she is always right, no matter what facts or sites or proof you can supply. After all, she can react better and faster than the electronics in your car’s ABS system, is far more intelligent then all of the other members on this form (including myself). **Resistance is FUTILE!!! Prepare to be assimilated – She is BORG** ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/320 "2012-06-05T17:25:53Z")
> [@LeeshaJoy](#): > > Try that defense in court. I dare you. :rolleyes: I have had to use self-defense before is situations involving very young muggers. Trust me, neither the police or the ADA considered them innocent little children. Since daddy asshole was, physically if not mentally, an adult male, it would have probably been even easier for me to skate if I had done something to him. For the men in the neighborhood, it would have come down to a laws regarding a neighborhood brawl. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298.md?page=17)