# curlcoat...yet again. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 18, 2012, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298 "2012-05-18T10:11:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/341 "2012-06-05T22:07:46Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > 1.) When the police cannot help you, the community has to help itself. This is not a thing to done lightly and should be thought over and discussed. However it is morally wrong, to let one person ruin the lives of many others. Children playing are not ‘ruining the lives of others’. Being woken up by normal neighbourhood noise does not rise to the level of a crime, especially if it happens in the middle of the day, hence why the police are not interested. Say you decide to put up some new siding while I’m trying to sleep in on a Saturday morning. I ask you to stop, but you point out that it’s 11am, what you’re doing is perfectly legal, and that you don’t have any other time to do it. So then I call the cops and they tell me that they won’t come to investigate because no crime is being committed. So what’s next? I can just crack out a gun and shoot you, right? I mean, I’m only helping myself to get more sleep. It would be morally wrong for me to let you keep repairing your house since it mildly annoys me. No - normal, non-sociopaths do not routinely take the law into their own hands, especially over petty bullshit like this. > [@](#): > > 2.) You have a right to compensated for the work you do. Bilking gullible people out of money is not work. Any money you get through fortune telling is ill-gotten gain, since you are falsely claiming the ability to provide a service you cannot possibly actually provide. You may as well just be stealing from them. > [@](#): > > 3.) If someone lies about something as important as who their mother and father are, they probably can’t be trusted with anything. Adopted people don’t lie about who their mother and father are. An adoptive mother and father have just as much claim to those titles as anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/342 "2012-06-05T22:11:29Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I have had to use self-defense before is situations involving very young muggers. Trust me, neither the police or the ADA considered them innocent little children. Since daddy asshole was, physically if not mentally, an adult male, it would have probably been even easier for me to skate if I had done something to him. For the men in the neighborhood, it would have come down to a laws regarding a neighborhood brawl. \*Officers incident report. 31 February 2011. Officers responded to 911 call reporting a mugging at a local children’s playground. Caller was found in an agitated state, reclining on park bench and clutching a string of pearls. Caller claims she was walking past the playground when a group of children ‘mugged’ her. On questioning the local children and several witnesses of the incident it was found that a three (3) year old girl playing in the park had ‘waved’ to the caller as she was walking past. Witnesses report caller was muttering to herself about ‘those damn noisy kids, I’ll get my fiends to sort them out’ prior to the incident. (Note: Callers name given to gang crime unit - no known connections, apparently gang contacts also part of callers rich fantasy world) Officers calmed caller down and informed her that despite any cultural differences a simple friendly hand wave can in no way be interpreted as assault or robbery. On resolution of situation officer made the mistake of offering to shake caller’s hand. (See Internal affairs report #23981-C for decision on false rape accusations against officer). Caller then told to “harden the fuck up and start living in the real world”. Recommend no further response to calls from this individual without psych-evaluation trained paramedics in attendance.\* ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/343 "2012-06-05T22:11:29Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Thus you cannot claim that your nephew is upstanding and non-criminal, since you yourself accused him of criminal activity. Legally, he cannot consent to premarital sex (or marry without a guardian’s consent), so for all I know he is a upstanding,non-criminal young man who was the innocent victim of a teenage sexual predator. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/344 "2012-06-05T22:12:36Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > 1.) When the police cannot help you, the community has to help itself. This is not a thing to done lightly and should be thought over and discussed. However it is morally wrong, to let one person ruin the lives of many others. > > 2.) You have a right to compensated for the work you do. > > 3.) If someone lies about something as important as who their mother and father are, they probably can’t be trusted with anything. And it’s wrong to steal children (though that’s getting into another thread topic) You really are totally morally bankrupt. Likely bat-shit insane. A caricature of every negative stereotype of the Roma people. You should take a moment to thank your lucky stars that most of the rest of the population isn’t like you. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/345 "2012-06-05T22:17:14Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Children playing are not ‘ruining the lives of others’. Being woken up by normal neighbourhood noise does not rise to the level of a crime, especially if it happens in the middle of the day, hence why the police are not interested. > > Say you decide to put up some new siding while I’m trying to sleep in on a Saturday morning. I ask you to stop, but you point out that it’s 11am, what you’re doing is perfectly legal, and that you don’t have any other time to do it. So then I call the cops and they tell me that they won’t come to investigate because no crime is being committed. So what’s next? I can just crack out a gun and shoot you, right? I mean, I’m only helping myself to get more sleep. It would be morally wrong for me to let you keep repairing your house since it mildly annoys me. > > No - normal, non-sociopaths do not routinely take the law into their own hands, especially over petty bullshit like this. When groups of men are gathered around discussing beating the crap out of someone, knowing that it will cost them at least a night in jail, a few days lost work, and some attorney fees, it is a serious neighborhood problem. I think you are afraid some of your neighbors will read this board and get ideas about what do about your noisy children. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/346 "2012-06-05T22:21:17Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Legally, he cannot consent to premarital sex (or marry without a guardian’s consent), so for all I know he is a upstanding,non-criminal young man who was the innocent victim of a teenage sexual predator. You realize that this also applies to his sexual partner. For all you know, she is an upstanding, non-criminal young woman who was the innocent victim of a teenage sexual predator. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > When groups of men are gathered around discussing beating the crap out of someone, knowing that it will cost them at least a night in jail, a few days lost work, and some attorney fees, it is a serious neighborhood problem. I think you are afraid some of your neighbors will read this board and get ideas about what do about your noisy children. Nope, it’s indicative that those groups of men are psychopaths. Luckily, the vast majority of us don’t live in neighborhoods made up entirely of criminal psychopaths. Just you. Man, I don’t even have to try with you anymore. You write your own condemnation, in your own words, all by your own self. Oh, and good job implicating all non-middle-class people in the physical assault of parents and children. I can’t think of any of the working-class people I know who ever thought it was acceptable to physically assault another person for the acts of their children, or physically assault a child for making noise. Guess that’s another example of how you, and the people with whom you associated, aren’t representative of anything other than psychopathics and lunatics. YOU, yourself, are a lunatic. Not working-class people who work different shifts and need quiet in their neighborhoods at all times. Not people whose nephews engaged in underage sex with another underage person. Not other Roma. YOU, all by your lonesome, are indicative of nothing but moral bankruptcy. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/347 "2012-06-05T22:35:47Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > When groups of men are gathered around discussing beating the crap out of someone, knowing that it will cost them at least a night in jail, a few days lost work, and some attorney fees, it is a serious neighborhood problem. I think you are afraid some of your neighbors will read this board and get ideas about what do about your noisy children. People who aren’t crazy, backwards and stupid put on music or an air conditioner and ignore noisy children. They don’t plot to physically hurt them or their parents. If this is the sort of belief you have it shouldn’t cost you a night in jail. It should mean jail for at least a decade and possibly most of your life. Fortunately most law officers in this country are not fucking crazy. They will arrest you and jail you and your cohorts for actions like that. You and your fellow crazies should remember that fact the next time you decide it’s okay to get together and plan to hurt others people because you think they’re being too noisy. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/348 "2012-06-05T22:37:28Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > When groups of men are gathered around discussing beating the crap out of someone, knowing that it will cost them at least a night in jail, a few days lost work, and some attorney fees, it is a serious neighborhood problem. I agree. Those groups of men _are_ a serious neighborhood problem. That’s what you meant, right? ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/349 "2012-06-05T23:04:07Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > When groups of men are gathered around discussing beating the crap out of someone, knowing that it will cost them at least a night in jail, a few days lost work, and some attorney fees, it is a serious neighborhood problem. I think you are afraid some of your neighbors will read this board and get ideas about what do about your noisy children. I don’t have any children. That crystal ball doesn’t work as well as advertised, does it? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/350 "2012-06-05T23:16:05Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Legally, he cannot consent to premarital sex (or marry without a guardian’s consent), so for all I know he is a upstanding,non-criminal young man who was the innocent victim of a teenage sexual predator. Someone please link to that thread. Iirc it was pointed out to her over and over how wrong she was about the law but she refused to listen. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/351 "2012-06-06T00:39:21Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Someone please link to that thread. Iirc it was pointed out to her over and over how wrong she was about the law but she refused to listen. [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=593503). It’s pretty interesting. She refused to listen to reason and just couldn’t see why it might be morally questionable to accuse a young girl of rape and have her branded a sex offender just on the off chance that her family might object to a Roma boy dating their daughter. I find it very hard to believe that she wouldn’t have made another thread about the issue if the girl’s father really accused the nephew of assault. There’s no way she would have just let that go by given how incredibly angry she was about the whole thing. I really feel for that poor kid - if her whole extended family is as batshit as she claims, there’s pretty much no way he will turn out to be anything other than another psychopath who thinks beating people up is a reasonable adult solution to his problems. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/352 "2012-06-06T00:59:28Z")
Man, I remembered the thread but totally forgot the level of extreme WTF. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/353 "2012-06-06T01:24:23Z")
Thanks I thought so. It was pointed out to her repeatedly that it was not a statutory rape case. Both were under the nominal age of consent but in her state there has to be a three year difference in age before the law kicks in. So if you are under 17 you can legally give consent to someone as long as they are not more than three years older than you (probably some exceptions for teachers, family members etc). I know she will read this and still not get it. The law is similar here except its 16 years old and 4 years difference. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/354 "2012-06-06T01:30:00Z")
To curlcoat a word of advice. Back away from this thread. You have been rescued. Someone is out-crazying you. I don’t think you are a bad person. You are probably a nice quiet neighbor. I would just never let you babysit my kids. I think the worst that may happen to you is that you’ll die alone someday and someone will find your body half eaten by your dogs weeks later. You are loony but harmless. ZPG is a fucking psycho. I hope you can see its not a good thing to be on her side in anything. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/355 "2012-06-06T03:02:01Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I have taught the children in my care… No, I want to know where you stand on - Having it arranged to have people beaten by a mob for presenting an inconvenience - Scam artistry, like “fortune telling,” and - Why you mistreat innocent children for things that are no fault of thier own. I have a feeling you’re actually pretty shitty at teaching children anything, given that you yourself are a morally reprehensible person; you are a liar, a thief, and a fool. I pity any child who falls under your misguided, ethically directionless guidance. Oh, and spare me the excuse about how you’re Romani or Romanian or Roman or whatever it is you claim to be; I have a sneaky suspicion you’re like 1/64th whatever it is and just trot it out as a woe-is-me story. ---
**Author:** ![Otara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Otara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otara)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/356 "2012-06-06T03:28:41Z")
My take is created persona. Just too good at getting reactions to be likely to be completely real in my view. Otara ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/357 "2012-06-06T04:45:49Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Yes, you are absolutely correct: there _is_ something about a colicky baby’s cries. They cry like that because they are in much pain. No shit sherlock. What I meant is one can frequently tell that a baby is colicky just by how it cries. > [@](#): > > (my bolding) > > How terrible that must have been for you to move bedrooms to get some respite from that horrid noise. Oh wait… > > :rolleyes: :rolleyes: right back at you. It’s pretty obvious that the reason I posted that incident was to point out that earplugs do not do much to block out the louder noises that kids make, not to gain sympathy (!?!) for sleeping elsewhere until the baby felt better. > [@Meyer6](#): > > Ah, you poor deluded moron - getting accused of lying by you does not count as ‘getting called on it’. Getting called on something implies that I’ve been found out or exposed in some way. You never actually expose anything (you can’t, because I don’t lie about you at all), so this attempt at insulting my ‘style’ is meaningless. Right. If you aren’t lying, what is it when you make something up and then refuse even try to prove that it’s true? Lets take just one - provide just one thread I started where I was complaining about children. You said that I’d done so, therefore the onus is on you to back it up. But the thing is, you won’t be able to prove it because it isn’t true. I rarely start threads and I have never started one in the Pit. Yet you seem to think that saying anything you want, getting told you are wrong but never providing any sort of proof isn’t being exposed for the liar you are? And that is just one example of the many many lies you tell. Its _possible_ that some of your, um, incorrect statements are due to your other wonderful habit of jumping to the most negative assumption you possibly can and never ever backing down from it. > [@](#): > > I have quoted you extensively to prove your lies and craziness many, many times. The few times that you have bothered to quote me, it has been obvious to everyone that you were wrong. Such as back earlier in this thread when you got us off on a debate as to whether the word “woman” includes minors, probably in order to hide how you had messed up in trying to “prove” I’d said some made up Meyerism? > [@](#): > > The fact that you think I should keep arguing with you forever and ever even though nothing ever gets through is also not my problem. I don’t really care what you do. When you come in to insult and lie, and I have the time, I’m going to respond. It’s as simple as that. > [@kambuckta](#): > > But instead **curlcoat’s** focus was on her own discomfort and inconvenience. Her lack of empathy for others is really disturbing, especially when she masks that by accusing others of not having consideration for _her_ needs. You really did miss that I said that I understood that there was nothing the parents could do & certainly didn’t blame them, didn’t you? Are you so blinded by your emotions that you are really going to try to twist that post about _earplugs_ into some fantasy about my “inconvenience”? And you are seriously trying to say that if you had your sleep disturbed for weeks at a time by unusually loud and shrill crying from +/- 12 feet away, that you could do nothing about, that you wouldn’t resort to trying earplugs or moving to the other side of the house? Amazing. Sad, but amazing. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/358 "2012-06-06T05:16:11Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > ISo the Screaming Child Incident that you keep bringing up in support of your kidogynist mind-set lasted a whole FIFTEEN MINUTES? Are you fucking serious? I’m sorry, but I simply cannot believe that you are taking one post about one thing and pretending that is the sum total of the noise that children make. Not to mention that any parent that ignores that sort of noise coming out of their child for that length of time, when they cannot see said child and usually have not seen the child for quite some time, probably shouldn’t be a parent. For all they know, their kid is laying in the street with a broken leg yet they are so used to ignoring those sorts of screams/shrieks that it never occurs to them that there might be a good reason for the noise. Other than “Jimmy took my truck” or whatever the incident du jour is. > [@BigT](#): > > This thread is the first time I even found out she had this pathological dislike of children. This thread has almost no true representation of my opinion on children. > [@perfectparanoia](#): > > If you want peace and quiet at all hours of the day and night, you will need to move to the country. Actually, that isn’t true. Because there is less noise going on, any loud noises are magnified, because they don’t have to compete with the city’s background drone. Before I moved here to the burbs, I lived on 10 acres in an area where the smallest parcel was 10 acres. One dog barking a mile away there was as clear as a dog barking next door here, even tho there were a lot of trees up there. There was a guy five or so miles up our road who, I guess, was repairing or customizing cars and was doing a lot of vroom-vrooming. I didn’t notice it because he didn’t do it after dark and I had a long commute, but come summer the people on the other side of me (so five or so miles plus another 15 or so acres) went up there and complained. I wouldn’t have known about it except it resulted in the sheriff being called so I guess the discussion got out of hand. There really aren’t any places of perfect peace and quiet any more, which is why it is so sad that there seems to be far less consideration for one’s neighbors these days. > [@](#): > > When there are kids out playing and I’d like to take a nap, given that the playground is right behind our house, even if they are merely talking at reasonable levels, I won’t be able to without closing all my windows and putting on a white noise machine (I hate earplugs, can’t sleep in them). > > That is the price I pay for living in a densly populated area. Fortunately for me, only the power tools bother my sleep and that rarely happens early here. I think the earliest that anyone’s mowing crew comes is 9 am. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/359 "2012-06-06T05:34:27Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > To curlcoat a word of advice. Back away from this thread. You have been rescued. Someone is out-crazying you. I don’t think you are a bad person. You are probably a nice quiet neighbor. I would just never let you babysit my kids. I think the worst that may happen to you is that you’ll die alone someday and someone will find your body half eaten by your dogs weeks later. You are loony but harmless. ZPG is a fucking psycho. I hope you can see its not a good thing to be on her side in anything. Thanks, I guess. However - I am not crazy; you are right that I am not a bad person just because I don’t fawn all over kids; and yes we are quiet neighbors that the family to our east very much appreciate. I babysit occasionally, but I will not do so for children who haven’t been taught manners (given that they are old enough of course). I will not die alone unless I choose to (why is it that people assume that non-parents must end up dieing alone?) since I have a loving and devoted husband as well as good friends. I am not loony, nor am I on anyone’s “side”. I don’t know much about **ZPG Zealot** , nor have I taken the time to read many of the posts in this thread other than the ones that are answers to mine so I don’t know what anyone is on about there. I guess I could go back and read it all, but I’d probably find out that people like **Meyer6** and **kambuckta** are just twisting what she’s said because she advocates zero population growth. Or not. But given my experience, I tend to be suspicious of a charge of crazy. I don’t know why it is, but there are a goodly number of people here who are more than willing to believe tales carried by others. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/360 "2012-06-06T08:54:42Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > But given my experience, I tend to be suspicious of a charge of crazy. I don’t know why it is, but there are a goodly number of people here who are more than willing to believe tales carried by others. When you’ve got \> (rough estimation) 80% of the posters in this thread challenging your actions/attitudes/beliefs, you might want to reconsider your stance. IOW, the charge of crazy stands. Nobody’s telling tales darls: your words are testiment to your crazy. Just sayin’. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298.md?page=19)