# curlcoat...yet again. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 18, 2012, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298 "2012-05-18T10:11:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/361 "2012-06-06T11:07:36Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Thanks, I guess. However - I am not crazy; you are right that I am not a bad person just because I don’t fawn all over kids; and yes we are quiet neighbors that the family to our east very much appreciate. I babysit occasionally, but I will not do so for children who haven’t been taught manners (given that they are old enough of course). I will not die alone unless I choose to (why is it that people assume that non-parents must end up dieing alone?) since I have a loving and devoted husband as well as good friends. I am not loony, nor am I on anyone’s “side”. > > I don’t know much about **ZPG Zealot** , nor have I taken the time to read many of the posts in this thread other than the ones that are answers to mine so I don’t know what anyone is on about there. I guess I could go back and read it all, but I’d probably find out that people like **Meyer6** and **kambuckta** are just twisting what she’s said because she advocates zero population growth. Or not. But given my experience, I tend to be suspicious of a charge of crazy. I don’t know why it is, but there are a goodly number of people here who are more than willing to believe tales carried by others. Don’t believe you. I don’t believe that your brain can automatically tell which posts you need to read and which you don’t without actually reading them. Again you just cherry pick what you want. And pretend the rest does not exist. You have quoted and thanked people in this thread that have not been answering you directly as long as you perceive them to be on your side of the issue. You have the time to write long responses to any little comment buried in posts that catches your eye. But somehow you happen to not be reading anything from zpg. And you wonder why people have a problem with what you post? ---
**Author:** ![perfectparanoia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a5b964/32.png) [@perfectparanoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/perfectparanoia)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/362 "2012-06-06T14:03:41Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I don’t know much about **ZPG Zealot** , nor have I taken the time to read many of the posts in this thread other than the ones that are answers to mine so I don’t know what anyone is on about there. I guess I could go back and read it all, but I’d probably find out that people like **Meyer6** and **kambuckta** are just twisting what she’s said because she advocates zero population growth. Or not. But given my experience, I tend to be suspicious of a charge of crazy. I don’t know why it is, but there are a goodly number of people here who are more than willing to believe tales carried by others. You should take the time if you have a moment. Even if you should be crazy (which I don’t think you are, BTW), she is a whole new level of oddity. It is worth a read for the amusement factor. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/363 "2012-06-06T19:14:14Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Lets take just one - provide just one thread I started where I was complaining about children. You said that I’d done so, therefore the onus is on you to back it up. But the thing is, you won’t be able to prove it because it isn’t true. Okay, how about [Screaming Kids - Really?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=625548) So I can prove it, because it is true. As usual. Are you going to take back your claim? No, because you will somehow twist this into something it’s not. I will concede that you more commonly leap headfirst into other peoples threads and bitch about kids rather than starting your own. > [@curlcoat](#): > > I don’t know much about **ZPG Zealot** , nor have I taken the time to read many of the posts in this thread other than the ones that are answers to mine so I don’t know what anyone is on about there. I guess I could go back and read it all, but I’d probably find out that people like **Meyer6** and **kambuckta** are just twisting what she’s said because she advocates zero population growth. Your inability to read anything before jumping to conclusions is not our fault. You have a nasty habit of reading only half the posts in any given thread, missing important details, but flying into a frothing rage anyways. The fact that you like to accuse others of misrepresenting and lying when you can’t even be bothered to read anything at all is very ironic. If you find it so taxing to sound out the big words, maybe message board posting is not for you. If you could read, you would know that ZPG is absolutely batshit, and it has nothing to do with zero population growth or with anyone twisting what she says. She is just plain crazy. Like you. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/364 "2012-06-07T07:36:12Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > When you’ve got \> (rough estimation) 80% of the posters in this thread challenging your actions/attitudes/beliefs, you might want to reconsider your stance. Considering that the title of the thread is likely to draw the handful of posters that like to think I’m crazy, your 80% means nothing. > [@Loach](#): > > Don’t believe you. I don’t believe that your brain can automatically tell which posts you need to read and which you don’t without actually reading them. Oh good lord. It’s easy - I just read the ones that I am quoted in, and most times I only read the ones where I am quoted first. Obviously, I’ll see a word or so as I’m skipping past other posts, and at times I’ll read a post that isn’t a response to one of mine, but for the most part - and especially in threads of this sort of stupidity - I don’t read posts that are responding to others. > [@](#): > > Again you just cherry pick what you want. And pretend the rest does not exist. You have quoted and thanked people in this thread that have not been answering you directly as long as you perceive them to be on your side of the issue. I believe I only did that once, when I first posted here. > [@](#): > > You have the time to write long responses to any little comment buried in posts that catches your eye. Note - catches my eye, as I said above. > [@](#): > > But somehow you happen to not be reading anything from zpg. And you wonder why people have a problem with what you post? People “have a problem” with what I post because of crap like this. Just because you have time to read every post in a thread doesn’t mean that the rest of us do. You could also bother to actually reflect what I say, since I didn’t say I’ve read nothing that **ZPG** posts, I’ve just read very little. If nothing else, how else would I know what the zpg stands for if I hadn’t at some time read her posts? > [@perfectparanoia](#): > > You should take the time if you have a moment. Even if you should be crazy (which I don’t think you are, BTW), she is a whole new level of oddity. > > It is worth a read for the amusement factor. Thank you for not thinking I’m crazy. Perhaps when I have access to wifi this weekend, I’ll have a read. Any particular place I should start? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/365 "2012-06-07T07:53:04Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Okay, how about [Screaming Kids - Really?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=625548) Ah, I had forgotten that, so you are right that once I did start a thread where I complained about kids. Of course, you did go on to dig yourself a hole… > [@](#): > > I will concede that you more commonly leap headfirst into other peoples threads and bitch about kids rather than starting your own. Which was your original claim, that I start all these threads complaining about children. One thread doesn’t qualify. > [@](#): > > Your inability to read anything before jumping to conclusions is not our fault. What conclusion about **ZPG** did I jump to? Simply because you like to do that doesn’t mean I am. > [@](#): > > The fact that you like to accuse others of misrepresenting and lying when you can’t even be bothered to read anything at all is very ironic. Explain why I should be reading other people’s conversations, which is going off on a tangent anyway, in order to be able to answer those posts that are directed to me? > [@](#): > > If you could read, you would know that ZPG is absolutely batshit, and it has nothing to do with zero population growth or with anyone twisting what she says. She is just plain crazy. Like you. So you are saying that if I read the posts that **ZPG** has in this thread, I will agree with your assessment that she is batshit? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/366 "2012-06-07T13:28:40Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Ah, I had forgotten that, so you are right that once I did start a thread where I complained about kids. Of course, you did go on to dig yourself a hole… I just want to give a golf clap for anyone on this board who’s willing to admit when they’re wrong. And, as a handy side effect, it proves you’re not insane after all. [clap, clap, clap] > [@](#): > > So you are saying that if I read the posts that **ZPG** has in this thread, I will agree with your assessment that she is batshit? Survey says… Yes. (or maybe just a sociopath within sight of batshit…) ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/367 "2012-06-07T15:16:21Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > No, I want to know where you stand on > > - Having it arranged to have people beaten by a mob for presenting an inconvenience > > - Scam artistry, like “fortune telling,” and > > - Why you mistreat innocent children for things that are no fault of thier own. > > I have a feeling you’re actually pretty shitty at teaching children anything, given that you yourself are a morally reprehensible person; you are a liar, a thief, and a fool. I pity any child who falls under your misguided, ethically directionless guidance. > > Oh, and spare me the excuse about how you’re Romani or Romanian or Roman or whatever it is you claim to be; I have a sneaky suspicion you’re like 1/64th whatever it is and just trot it out as a woe-is-me story. -the assholes were not presenting an inconvenience, they were disturbing the whole neighborhood -I don’t consider demonstrating the traditional cultural practices of my people to be a scam. If it were the entire entertainment industry would be illegal. -taking children away from their families and culture and making them lie about who they are is mistreatment ---
**Author:** ![perfectparanoia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a5b964/32.png) [@perfectparanoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/perfectparanoia)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/368 "2012-06-07T15:49:59Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > -taking children away from their families and culture and making them lie about who they are is mistreatment So, my children were taken (by Social Services, not me) away from their birth mother because if they hadn’t, they would probably have died. They were offered to all of the extended family for placement, none of them wanted them. They know they are adopted and who their birth mom is. Their culture is the same as ours. But still adoption is ‘mistreatment.’ God, how you annoy me. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/369 "2012-06-07T16:12:56Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > -I don’t consider demonstrating the traditional cultural practices of my people to be a scam. If it were the entire entertainment industry would be illegal. Except the traditional cultural practices of your people _are_ a scam, at least as far as fortune-telling goes. Unless you tell them up front “This is for entertainment purposes only; none of this is real because nobody actually has the ability to foresee the future.” How your chicanery relates to the entertainment industry, where people know what they’re paying for, is beyond me. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/370 "2012-06-07T16:22:38Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Except the traditional cultural practices of your people _are_ a scam, at least as far as fortune-telling goes. Unless you tell them up front “This is for entertainment purposes only; none of this is real because nobody actually has the ability to foresee the future.” How your chicanery relates to the entertainment industry, where people know what they’re paying for, is beyond me. The traditional cultural practice of my people is to get others to pay money so their property doesn’t “accidentally” catch on fire. Its disgusting that my culture is being repressed. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/371 "2012-06-07T17:59:14Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > -the assholes were not presenting an inconvenience, they were disturbing the whole neighborhood Which does not excuse grown men discussing the physical assault of a parent, or discussing using other humans to attack children. It’s really quite simple - beating up people is a crime, adults beating up children is another level of immoral. Of course, I don’t believe that this actually happened. You’re a troll. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > -I don’t consider demonstrating the traditional cultural practices of my people to be a scam. If it were the entire entertainment industry would be illegal. That particular “cultural practice” is a scam. Psychic powers do not exist. Of course, I don’t believe you are actually Roma. You’re a troll. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > -taking children away from their families and culture and making them lie about who they are is mistreatment Your understanding of adoption issues, family ties, and love are, like the rest of the thoughts seething around in that festering shithole you call a brain, are nonsensical. Of course, I don’t believe you actually believe any of that. You’re a troll. So, well done! It takes a great deal of effort to consistently present as batshit psychopathic for as long as you’ve done so. I must admit, I am impressed. Did you know people like this growing up, or did you do a lot of reading about psychopaths, or what? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/372 "2012-06-07T18:26:51Z")
I totally believe her. This is the way she thinks. I do not think she is a troll. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/373 "2012-06-07T19:46:40Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > -the assholes were not presenting an inconvenience, they were disturbing the whole neighborhood Wahhhhh. Now it’s a “disturbance.” I’m sure, like your ridiculous story about your 16-year-old relative and the evil girl who tried to have him arrested by using her evil feminine charms and enticing the poor wittle baby to screw her, the story will grow with the telling. Of course, what the TRUTH is is that you’ve made this entire line of bullshit up. If in fact there was some inconvenience, neither you nor any of your idiot relatives enaged in any sort of serious discussion to beat them up beyond some idle bullshit talk over a few drinks. You’re blowing it up into a big story of bravado to look mean and tough in the Internet, when in real life you’re a scamming worm without the courage to even hold down an honest job, reduced to making money through deceit and lies. > [@](#): > > -I don’t consider demonstrating the traditional cultural practices of my people to be a scam. Sure you do. Didn’t take you long to fall into the “wahhh, it’s a tradition” excuse, assuming you actually are Roma or Russian or Rwandan or whatever you claim to be (I don’t give a shit.) But it’s pure bullshit. You’re not doing it to “demonstrate the traditional cultural pracices of my people,” you’re doing it to steal money. Fortune telling is a scam and you know it. “It’s a tradition” isn’t an excuse for antisocial behaviour. I’m Canadian, but that doesn’t entitle me to pull people’s shirts over their heads and beat them up because it’s a Canadian tradition. > [@](#): > > … taking children away from their families and culture and making them lie about who they are is mistreatment That’s a stupid, ignorant thing to say, but of course you’ve been told that and you don’t care. What it also is - actually, what it primarily is - is code for “I hate people who aren’t like me.” Your heart is a black lump of coal of hatred and fear and racism. What a despicable scumbag you are. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/374 "2012-06-07T20:07:56Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I’m Canadian, but that doesn’t entitle me to pull people’s shirts over their heads and beat them up because it’s a Canadian tradition. It is a pretty cool tradition you have to admit. Beats the hell outta Lederhosen. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/375 "2012-06-07T21:11:32Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Lets take just one - provide just one thread I started where I was complaining about children. You said that I’d done so, therefore the onus is on you to back it up. But the thing is, you won’t be able to prove it because it isn’t true. Well, now that you have admitted you were wrong about this, I’d like to point out that you knew all along that you were wrong: > [@curlcoat](#): > > I pitted the neighborhood kids for destroying flowers in my gardens and breaking large planters in our boulevard - most people here seemed to think I should just get over it because they are just kids. I pit the screaming pool/jumper parties going on until late at night- I’m told kids are allowed to have fun and I’m just a bitter old hag You yourself mentioned two of your own bitching-about-kids threads (including the very one that I posted) earlier in this thread, yet you insisted to me that you had never, ever started a thread like that. In light of such flagrant lies, I hope you realize how foolish it looks when you accuse me of telling lies about you. You are clearly perfectly capable of lying about yourself with no help from me. > [@](#): > > The few times that you have bothered to quote me, it has been obvious to everyone that you were wrong. Such as back earlier in this thread when you got us off on a debate as to whether the word “woman” includes minors, probably in order to hide how you had messed up in trying to “prove” I’d said some made up Meyerism? I missed this on the first go round, but are you still trying to claim that ‘women’ does not include women under 18? Because that’s a very narrow definition, and when someone says ‘pregnant women’, they probably are including teens unless they specifically say that they’re not. I hardly think that referring to pregnant teens as women counts as ‘messing up’ or making things up. If that’s all you’ve got, it’s incredibly weak. Once again, I do not and have not ever lied about you. If what I write about you seems reprehensible, that is just a reflection of your own words. Next time you accuse me of lying about you, I plan to link back to this thread, where the proof of who is and is not a liar is clear as day. Don’t worry, you can still accuse me of insulting you, because I don’t plan to stop that, you nasty old cow. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I don’t consider demonstrating the traditional cultural practices of my people to be a scam. If it were the entire entertainment industry would be illegal. So now it’s entertainment, is it? That’s interesting, because in another thread you claimed that it was okay for you to read a mans palm because it was the same as rendering medical aid. But now it’s just a parlour trick? You can’t have it both ways - either you are scamming innocent people, or you are being hand raped by men like the village bicycle. Which is it? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/376 "2012-06-08T00:13:12Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Well, now that you have admitted you were wrong about this, I’d like to point out that you knew all along that you were wrong: Nope, I had mis-remembered that I hadn’t put that in one of the mini rant threads. You know, unlike your expectations, I’m not perfect. That doesn’t mean I lied, it just means I forgot that one thread. > [@](#): > > In light of such flagrant lies, I hope you realize how foolish it looks when you accuse me of telling lies about you. Right. I forget one thing and that absolves you of saying things about me that aren’t true? How does that work? > [@](#): > > I missed this on the first go round, but are you still trying to claim that ‘women’ does not include women under 18? Because that’s a very narrow definition, The dictionary agreed with me - shrug. > [@](#): > > and when someone says ‘pregnant women’, they probably are including teens unless they specifically say that they’re not. I doubt that is true and I certainly hope it isn’t, since there is a world of difference between a mature woman being pregnant and a teen in that condition. Or there should be any way. > [@](#): > > I hardly think that referring to pregnant teens as women counts as ‘messing up’ or making things up. If that’s all you’ve got, it’s incredibly weak. Um, I was referring to you trying to “prove” I’d lied by jumping on the definition of woman. You were wrong there, but I fully expect to see in later threads that I said that all pregnant women should be forced to abort or adopt, or some such nonesense. > [@](#): > > Once again, I do not and have not ever lied about you. If what I write about you seems reprehensible, that is just a reflection of your own words. Next time you accuse me of lying about you, I plan to link back to this thread, where the proof of who is and is not a liar is clear as day. Don’t worry, you can still accuse me of insulting you, because I don’t plan to stop that, you nasty old cow. I am beginning to believe that you actually do think you aren’t lying, because your response is so over the top that you just don’t seem to have any sort of intelligent reaction. Such as your firm belief that I must have been talking about all female persons when I said women, even tho 3 out of 4 definitions specify or indicate an adult person. Even tho in the sentence directly before the one you freaked on I specified teens. So, for whatever reason, you want to believe in this case that I said that all pregnant females of any age shouldn’t be able to choose whether or not they keep the baby, which leads to to say that I am lying when I say I didn’t say anything of the sort. I’m quite sure it’s this narrow view of yours that has led you to believe I’ve said things like I hate all children, or that all children are terrible beast, etc etc. That is why I tell you to prove it, because I am interested to see where you get these ideas. As well as to try to stop your crap, because it gets in the way of intelligent conversations in other forums. But, you won’t back up your beliefs, your whole purpose here seems to be to just to try to drive someone away that you don’t agree with. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/377 "2012-06-08T01:07:59Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I’m Canadian, but that doesn’t entitle me to pull people’s shirts over their heads and beat them up because it’s a Canadian tradition. Wait, it doesn’t? Man, I have a LOT of apology notes to write… ---
**Author:** ![Cyberhwk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Cyberhwk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyberhwk)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/378 "2012-06-08T01:21:30Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Move to an adults only community and stay there. > > :rolleyes: Those are illegal under the [Fair Housing Act of 1968](http://www.enotes.com/fair-housing-act-1968-reference/fair-housing-act-1968) (with the exception of old folks homes). ---
**Author:** ![Otara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Otara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otara)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/379 "2012-06-08T01:52:35Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I totally believe her. This is the way she thinks. I do not think she is a troll. I think its likely to be somewhere in between. As in theres an element of showmanship to it that is being used as a way to define identity. Otara ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298/380 "2012-06-08T04:44:18Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Such as your firm belief that I must have been talking about all female persons when I said women, even tho 3 out of 4 definitions specify or indicate an adult person. Even tho in the sentence directly before the one you freaked on I specified teens. Oh, stupid curlie. One more time. I said: > [@Meyer6](#): > > You definitely talked about forcing either abortion or adoption on pregnant women who don’t meet your exacting standards To which you replied: > [@curlcoat](#): > > Nope. I’d ask you to prove I’ve said that, but you never do. Here’s the proof: > [@bad idea pregnancies](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-idea-pregnancies/620833/97): > > Minors should not be allowed to make the decision to keep a baby. Women who have children they can’t support or have abused prior children or are on drugs that will affect the fetus shouldn’t be allowed to keep a baby See, I said you wanted forced abortion/adoption for women _who don’t meet your exacting standards_. One of the standards being ‘pregnant woman is not a minor’. I never, ever said ‘all female persons’, and you are the one attempting to twist and lie until it looks like you’re right and I’m wrong. Not going to work. > [@curlcoat](#): > > The dictionary agreed with me - shrug. No it didn’t. First definition (usually most common) is [a female human being](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/woman). The others refer to an adult woman, a servant, and a wife. Why don’t you claim that you were only objecting to forced abortions for wives? It would make as much sense as your stance. Stop accusing me of lying and of not proving anything. I have proved everything to you, you are just to thick or too stubborn to understand it. I’m not the one standing in the way of ‘intelligent conversations’ around here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/curlcoat-yet-again/622298.md?page=20)