# Current Status of SDMB Upgrade **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 9, 2008, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854 "2008-09-09T21:50:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jdavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@jdavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jdavis)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/1 "2008-09-09T21:50:00Z")
This will be a single thread to keep track of the current status of fixes/improvements to the SDMB as well as a place to report any problems you are having. This first post will be edited each time I have an update in status. It will be broken down into 4 sections. The sections will be **Currently Working On** , **Next Priorities** , **Deferred** , and **Fixed Or Improved**. You’re welcome to discuss amongst yourselves the **Next Priorities** I’m establishing but please don’t expect to debate them with me. I’m not going to do that. **Currently Working On** [ul] [li]vBulletin search engine performance issues[/li][/ul] **Next Priorities** [ul] [li]Allow non-Google search engine spidering of content[/li][li]Review whether to rebuild the internal vBulletin search engine index so that the 1.3 million restored posts will be keyword searchable. This may be skipped if it seems server intensive. Installation of a new third party search engine will eventually resolve this issue.[/li] [/ul] **Deferred** **Fixed Or Improved** [ul] [li]Increased vBulletin search engine resources by 400%[/li][li]Google search engine indexing[/li][li]Update user titles restoring Charter Member for those who lost it[/li][li]Set Charter Member paid subscription rate to $7.48[/li][li]Restore forum display functionality (the ability to navigate more than the 200 most recent threads) after the change to a MySQL Master/Slave database configuration[/li][li]vBulletin MySQL Master/Slave database configuration[/li][li]Restore Quick Reply[/li][li]Restore search form returning a message informing how many seconds before next search can be performed[/li][li]Restore navigation menu drop downs[/li][li]Additional banner ad slots added for non-subscribers[/li][li]Remove Google AdSense text ads for subscribers[/li][li]Extend paid subscriptions 6 days for all subscribers[/li][li]Subscriptions via PayPal restored[/li][li]Server performance stabilized[/li][li]1.3 million posts and 74 thousand threads deleted during 2005 and 2006 restored[/li][li]vBulletin software upgraded to version 3.7.3[/li][li]Migration to new cluster server completed[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Flander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Flander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flander)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/2 "2008-09-09T22:18:38Z")
> [@jdavis](#): > > Extend paid subscriptions 6 days for all subscribers For those Charter Members whose subscription ended while the migration was taking place, will the subscription extension be longer since, although we can post, we can’t renew until you’ve set the other things in place? Basically, just wanted to make sure we don’t lose the Charter Member status…it’s all I’ve got!!! ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/3 "2008-09-09T22:43:28Z")
Thank you for the update and continued work. The Dope has been running great for days now and that is a most welcomed thing. I also love the small flood of new members and returning members. Are decisions about Groups yours or Ed’s? For what it is worth, you might want to bump up the Charter Member step to prevent some extra work of Charter Members renewing without have seen your notes about holding off. Many of us have tried to provide some detail in the various problems threads, please count on us to do more testing for you. Jim ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/4 "2008-09-09T23:45:28Z")
I’m a paid member. When do my ads go away? ---
**Author:** ![jdavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@jdavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jdavis)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/5 "2008-09-10T00:02:10Z")
> [@danceswithcats](#): > > I’m a paid member. When do my ads go away? When I decide to turn them off. ---
**Author:** ![dogbutler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dogbutler/32/428_2.png) [@dogbutler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dogbutler)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/6 "2008-09-10T00:04:58Z")
> [@jdavis](#): > > When I decide to turn them off. Could we bribe you to make it go faster?😃 ---
**Author:** ![jdavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@jdavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jdavis)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/7 "2008-09-10T00:05:15Z")
> [@Flander](#): > > For those Charter Members whose subscription ended while the migration was taking place, will the subscription extension be longer since, although we can post, we can’t renew until you’ve set the other things in place? Basically, just wanted to make sure we don’t lose the Charter Member status…it’s all I’ve got!!! I’ll look at your subscription tomorrow, **Flander**. Some out of the ordinary event must have happened in the past if your Charter Membership is expiring in September. Don’t worry, we’ll get things resolved so hold off on resubscribing until I get back to you. ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/8 "2008-09-10T00:17:25Z")
> [@jdavis](#): > > When I decide to turn them off. Thanks so much. It’s nice to know that the customer dis-service concept is still intact. ---
**Author:** ![jdavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@jdavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jdavis)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/9 "2008-09-10T00:18:26Z")
> [@dogbutler](#): > > Could we bribe you to make it go faster?😃 I’ll tell you one thing, **dogbutler**. Your approach is a much smarter way to get the removal of Google Adsense ads moved up on my to do list than **danceswithcats’** approach. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/10 "2008-09-10T00:30:55Z")
Oh heavens! Dare I complain at the doors of Administration? Ed has been blowing smoke up my ass for a while. I’ve been promised a lot, and provided little. If you can’t handle some customer bitching, then hide in the IT room, and let the other insolent folks dispense their usual tripe. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/11 "2008-09-10T01:14:18Z")
The quick reply box is sorely missed. ---
**Author:** ![jdavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@jdavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jdavis)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/12 "2008-09-10T01:22:39Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > The quick reply box is sorely missed. And will be added in. My current list is far from complete. It was off the top of my head at the time I was composing the initial post and addressed those things that immediately came to mind. I know it left off a number of things. The initial post is a work in progress and will be more comprehensive as time goes on. That said I will sit down and compile a much more complete list and quick reply will be on it. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/13 "2008-09-10T02:34:48Z")
There used to be an option to be on the Board invisibly; it was set on your User CP. When you were on, the little status dot by your name was always gray, rather than green, at least to other posters - it was red to yourself. I don’t see that option now. Will it be turned on or added? Also, I’m in the group of those who have lost their Charter member title. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/14 "2008-09-10T02:40:24Z")
> [@jdavis](#): > > I’ll tell you one thing, **dogbutler**. Your approach is a much smarter way to get the removal of Google Adsense ads moved up on my to do list than **danceswithcats’** approach. 😉 Oh, come on. Your reply to **danceswithcats** was needlessly rude. It was a simple question, which wasn’t addressed in your OP. We were told paying members would not see ads, and we’re still seeing them. It would have been easy to just say you were working on it, or that the ads would be gone in a few days or a week or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/15 "2008-09-10T03:22:11Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > Oh, come on. > Your reply to **danceswithcats** was needlessly rude. It was a simple question, which wasn’t addressed in your OP. > We were told paying members would not see ads, and we’re still seeing them. It would have been easy to just say you were working on it, or that the ads would be gone in a few days or a week or whatever. You know, how fucking many times do the people working on this thing have to say: WAIT A LITTLE AND WE’LL GET THINGS SET UP FOR YOU??? Some people around here are worse than the worst students I’ve got in school. It’s all about you isnt’ it?:smack: Or maybe some people just like to bitch.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![jdavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@jdavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jdavis)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/16 "2008-09-10T03:44:21Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Are decisions about Groups yours or Ed’s? > > For what it is worth, you might want to bump up the Charter Member step to prevent some extra work of Charter Members renewing without have seen your notes about holding off. Jim, Decisions on what needs to be fixed and how to proceed are mine. If Ed has some preferences he knows he can request I change priorities. As for Charter Members needing to renew in August/September that should not occur too much. Of course **Flander** has already shown in this thread that what I’m about to say doesn’t always hold…but I’ll say it anyway. Almost by definition a Charter Member’s subscription should not be coming up for renewal until May 2009. Charter Members need to keep their subscription current and renewals always add 1 year to a subscription. Since Charter Members all had their first year’s subscription expiration set to the same date in April 2005 and we’ve added what? 4 weeks extension to subscriptions over the intervening years? Most Charter Member’s subscriptions should be expiring in May 2009 unless something unusual has happened. That doesn’t mean there won’t be a few Charter Members that will have to have their situations handled differently…and I’ll do just that. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/17 "2008-09-10T03:46:35Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > You know, how fucking many times do the people working on this thing have to say: WAIT A LITTLE AND WE’LL GET THINGS SET UP FOR YOU??? The matter of Google ads being removed for paying members was not addressed in the OP of this thread. A poster asked a simple question about them, and got a rude reply. I think most people understand that this is a work in progress, and that getting things set up is taking time, but there’s no need for snarkiness. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/18 "2008-09-10T04:00:47Z")
I realize the problems are being fixed and I appreciate the efforts being made. But is it odd for an upgrade to have this many problems? I’m not much of a computer geek, so this could be par for the course for all I know, but it seems like the upgrade should have been a one-time deal with very little fine-tuning necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/19 "2008-09-10T04:13:46Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > You know, how fucking many times do the people working on this thing have to say: WAIT A LITTLE AND WE’LL GET THINGS SET UP FOR YOU??? Could we come to some arrangement whereby when someone complains about some aspect of the boards you are just automatically assumed to have complained that they have complained? You never fail to respond and the gist of your response never varies, so can’t we just take it as read? ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854/20 "2008-09-10T04:46:42Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I realize the problems are being fixed and I appreciate the efforts being made. But is it odd for an upgrade to have this many problems? I’m not much of a computer geek, so this could be par for the course for all I know, but it seems like the upgrade should have been a one-time deal with very little fine-tuning necessary. When I upgrade my vBulletin installation, I usually don’t have any problems. I usually upgrade soon after an update or patch is released. I may have to tweak a few templates if there’s a major update, for instance from 3.6.8 to 3.7, but otherwise it’s painless. In comparison, the SDMB was more than about 20 release versions behind. With a long-delayed upgrade, jump ingfrom 3.0.whatever to 3.7.2, it would be unusual if something _didn’t_ go wrong. A few items on the to-do list aren’t that hard to fix. \*\* Fix broken drop downs on navigation bars\* A simple template update can fix it, without breaking the SDMB’s theme. Admin menu \> Styles & Templates \> Style Manager \> (select “Edit templates” from drop down menu next to template name) \> (select template) \> (press “Revert” button) \*\* Update user titles restoring Charter Member for those who lost it\* Might involve more than the usual Admin menu \> Maintenance \> Update Counters \> Update User Titles and Ranks. Charter members have the same privileges as regular paid members, only they started paying before a certain date, which complicates things a bit. \*\* Extend paid subscriptions 6 days for all subscribers\* Probably requires an SQL query. There’s no way I know of to extend everybody’s subscriptions by a uniform time from Admin Menu \> Paid Subscriptions \> Paid subscriptions options. It’s been done before when the board goes down for a few days, so it shouldn’t be a problem now. \*\* Review whether to rebuild the internal vBulletin search engine index so that the 1.3 million restored posts will be keyword searchable. This may be skipped if it seems server intensive. Installation of a new third party search engine will eventually resolve this issue.\* vBulletin has two different internal search options; vBulletin and Fulltext. Fulltext is much faster and less processor-intensive. However, changing the type of search engine requires removing and rebuilding the indexes (Admin menu \> Maintenance \> Update Counters \> Rebuild Search Index). When I’ve done it on my site, with some 400,000 posts, it takes about 10 to 30 minutes, depending on how busy the board it at the time. The SDMB has 10,070,228 posts at the time I posted this. The board can still function while the search engine is being reindexed, but it is server-intensive; users will see a performance hit. It’s something that’s best done during off-peak hours.. \*\* Enhance functionality for current Guest user group\* Admin Menu \> Usergroups \> Usergroup Manager \> (select “Edit usergroup” dropdown in front of the “Guest” group \> … uhhh … well, a lot of options. > [@](#): > > Can View Forum Yes No > Can View Thread Content Yes No > Can View Others’ Threads Yes No > Can Use Email to Friend Yes No > Can Download Attachments Yes No > Can See Deletion Notices Yes No > > Forum Searching Permissions > Can Search Forums Yes No > Can Use Boolean Search > (Only applies if Fulltext searching is enabled) Yes No > > Post / Thread Permissions > Can Post Threads Yes No > Can Reply to Own Threads Yes No > Can Reply to Others’ Threads Yes No > Can Edit Own Posts Yes No > Can Delete Own Posts Yes No > Can Delete Own Threads Yes No > Can Open / Close Own Threads Yes No > Can Move Own Threads Yes No > Can Rate Threads Yes No > Follow Forum Moderation Rules > If no, posts are always placed into moderation queue Yes No > Can Tag Own Threads Yes No > Can Tag Others’ Threads Yes No > Can Delete Tags on Own Threads Yes No > Can Create Tags Yes No > > Attachment Permissions > Can Upload Attachments Yes No > Space (in bytes) that a user’s total attachment usage may consume > (Set to 0 to not have a limit) > > Poll Permissions > Can Post Polls Yes No > Can Vote on Polls Yes No > > Private Message Permissions > Maximum Stored Messages: > If you set this to 0 users from this usergroup will not be able to use private messaging. > Can Use Message Tracking Yes No > Can Deny Private Message Read Receipt Request Yes No > Can Ignore Quota Yes No > Maximum Recipients to Send PMs at a time: > Do not set this too high for performance reasons (set to 0 to allow unlimited recipients) > > Calendar Permissions > Can View Calendar Yes No > Can Post Events Yes No > Can Edit Own Events Yes No > Can Delete Own Events Yes No > Can View Others’ Events Yes No > Posted Events are Not Moderated Yes No > > Who’s Online Permissions > Can View Who’s Online Yes No > Can View IP Addresses Yes No > Can View Detailed Location Info for Users Yes No > Can View Detailed Location Info of Users Who Visit Bad / No Permission Locations Yes No > Can view actual location of user (filepath/url). Yes No > > Administrator Permissions > Can Moderate All Forums (is Super Moderator) Yes No > Can Access Control Panel (is Administrator) Yes No > > General Permissions > Can View Member Info Yes No > Can Edit Own Profile Yes No > Can Set Self to Invisible Mode Yes No > Can ‘See’ Users Who Have Chosen to be Invisible While Online Yes No > Can Use Custom Title Yes No > Can View Others’ Profile Pictures Yes No > Can View Private Custom Fields Yes No > Can Email Members Yes No > Can Use Friends List Yes No > Show edited by note on edited messages? Yes No > > User Note Permissions > Can View User Notes About Others Yes No > Can Manage User Notes About Self Yes No > User Notes Can Be Posted About This Group Yes No > Can View User Notes About Self Yes No > Can Manage User Notes About Others Yes No > Can Post User Notes About Self Yes No > Can Post User Notes About Others Yes No > Can Manage Own User Notes > Notes that this user has posted, for self or others. This will override the above manage permissions, if enabled. Yes No > > Picture Uploading Permissions > Can Upload Profile Pictures Yes No > Can Upload Animated Profile Picture Yes No > Profile Picture Maximum Width (pixels) > Profile Picture Maximum Height (pixels) > Profile Picture Maximum File Size (bytes) > 1KB = 1024 bytes > Can Upload Custom Avatars Yes No > Can Upload Animated Avatar Yes No > Custom Avatar Maximum Width (pixels) > Custom Avatar Maximum Height (pixels) > Custom Avatar Maximum File Size (bytes) > 1KB = 1024 bytes > Can Upload Images for Signature Yes No > Can Upload Animated GIF for Signature Yes No > Signature Image Maximum Width (pixels) > Signature Image Maximum Height (pixels) > Signature Image Maximum Filesize (bytes) > > Signature Permissions > Can Use Signatures Yes No > Maximum Characters in Signature Including BB Code Markup > Maximum Characters in Signature Excluding BB Code Markup > Maximum Lines in Signature > Allow BB code Yes No > Allow Basic BB Code Yes No > Allow Color BB Code Yes No > Allow Size BB Code Yes No > Maximum Value of x for [SIZE=x] BB Code > Allow Font BB Code Yes No > Allow Alignment BB Code Yes No > Allow List BB Code Yes No > Allow Link BB Code Yes No > Allow Code BB Code Yes No > Allow PHP BB Code Yes No > Allow HTML BB Code Yes No > Allow Quote BB Code Yes No > Allow Image BB Code Yes No > Maximum Number of Images in Signature > Allow smilies Yes No > Allow HTML Yes No > > User Reputation Permissions > Can See Who Left User Ratings Yes No > Can Use Reputation Yes No > Can Hide Reputation from Others Yes No > Can Leave Negative Reputation Yes No > > User Infraction Permissions > Can Give Infractions to Others Yes No > Can See Others’ Infraction Level Yes No > Can Give Arbitrary Value Infractions Yes No > Can Reverse Infractions Yes No > > User Album Permissions > Can Have Album and Upload Pictures Yes No > Can View Albums > Users without this permission will still be able to see picture in public and profile album if they know the exact URL. Yes No > Follow Picture Moderation Rules Yes No > Album Picture Maximum Width (pixels) > Album Picture Maximum Height (pixels) > Album Picture Maximum File Size (bytes) > 1KB = 1024 bytes > Maximum Number of Album Pictures > Maximum Total File Size of Album Pictures (bytes) > 1KB = 1024 bytes > Can Comment on Pictures Yes No > Can Edit Own Picture Comments Yes No > Can Delete Own Picture Comments Yes No > Can Manage Comments on Own Pictures Yes No > Follow Picture Comment Moderation Rules Yes No > > Profile Styling Permissions > Can Edit Font Family Yes No > Can Edit Font Size Yes No > Can Edit Colors > Covers font and background colors Yes No > Can Edit Background Images > Users must have user album permissions as well Yes No > Can Edit Borders > Covers border style, color, and width Yes No > > Usergroup Options > Viewable on Show Groups > (Sets whether or not to show members of this group on the ‘View Forum Leaders’ page) Yes No > Birthdays Viewable > (Sets whether or not the birthdays of users in this group are displayed on the calendar and forum home pages) Yes No > Viewable on the Memberlist > (Sets whether or not users in this group will appear on the member list) Yes No > Allow Users to have Member Groups > (Sets whether or not permissions from the user’s member (secondary) user group memberships are inherited or not) Yes No > This Usergroup is not a ‘Banned’ Group > (Setting this to no will cause the group to be treated as a banned group, this will prevent the sending of email notifications, show a banned error message on the permission error pages and other unspecified behaviors.) Yes No > > Visitor Message Permissions > Can Post Visitor Messages to Own Profile Yes No > Can Post Visitor Messages to Others’ Profile Yes No > Can Edit Own Visitor Messages Yes No > Can Delete Own Visitor Messages Yes No > Can Manage Messages within Own Profile Yes No > Follow Visitor Message Moderation Rules > If no, messages are always placed into moderation queue Yes No > > Social Groups Permissions > Can Join Social Groups Yes No > Can Create Social Groups Yes No > Can Edit Own Social Groups > If the only member of the group is the owner, he/she will be able to edit the group’s info regardless of this setting. Yes No > Can Delete Own Social Groups Yes No > Can View Social Groups Yes No > Can Manage Own Social Group Messages Yes No > Can Post Messages in Groups that User is not a Member of Yes No > Follow Social Group Message Moderation Rules > If no, messages are always placed into moderation queue > Can Manage Own Social Groups Yes No \*\* Allow search engine spidering of content\* Edit robots.txt. Maybe a minute or two. \*\* Set Charter Member paid subscription rate to $7.48\* Admin menu \> Paid subscriptions \> Subscription Manager \> (select “Edit” next to subscription group title) \> (Edit “Cost”) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-status-of-sdmb-upgrade/462854.md?page=2)