# CW Announces Batwoman Series in Development **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 19, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193 "2018-07-19T12:23:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/1 "2018-07-19T12:23:49Z")
> **[Batwoman Series in Development at CW](https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/batwoman-series-cw-1202874978/)** > > Variety has learned that The CW is developing a series about the DC superhero Batwoman Note that this is Batwoman (Kate Kane), not Batgirl (Barbara Gordon). She’s still based in Gotham City, though. > [@](#): > > In the series, Kate Kane, armed with a passion for social justice and a flair for speaking her mind, soars onto the streets of Gotham as Batwoman, an out lesbian and highly trained street fighter primed to snuff out the failing city’s criminal resurgence. But don’t call her a hero yet. In a city desperate for a savior, Kate must overcome her own demons before embracing the call to be Gotham’s symbol of hope. The character will be introduced during the annual crossover. According to [other news](https://www.cinemablend.com/television/2451299/the-big-arrow-verse-crossover-is-leaving-one-show-out-this-year?utm_source=followistic&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=followistic#flw_c=email&flw_n=5b4e78355313545aae8bdd89), _Legends of Tomorrow_ will not be included in the crossover. My guess is that the crossover will take place on Earth-38, where Supergirl lives. It seems like a natural fit to have Batwoman and Supergirl interact more. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/2 "2018-07-19T16:51:13Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > It seems like a natural fit to have Batwoman and Supergirl interact more. Supergirl is a lesbian too? :dubious: 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/3 "2018-07-19T16:57:02Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Supergirl is a lesbian too? :dubious: 😕 Her sister is. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/4 "2018-07-19T17:08:24Z")
Very _au courant_. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/5 "2018-07-19T18:10:22Z")
Please don’t be all angsty. “_Kate must overcome her own demons_ sounds” like it will be angsty. Is Batwoman at all light-hearted or dark comedy or is she a serious hero like the Green Arrow? ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/6 "2018-07-19T18:18:10Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Her sister is. In fact, in the comics Batwoman dated Maggie Sawyer–who was Alex Danvers’s girlfriend on _Supergirl_. Meta. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/7 "2018-07-20T04:15:23Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Is Batwoman at all light-hearted or dark comedy or is she a serious hero like the Green Arrow? I hope they make it like _Gotham_ and go super-outré. Especially since _Gotham_ will be ending next season and there isn’t anything else in that niche. Bring on the weird and wacky while still somehow retaining the grittiness. > [@MrAtoz](#): > > In fact, in the comics Batwoman dated Maggie Sawyer–who was Alex Danvers’s girlfriend on _Supergirl_. I wouldn’t be surprised if Renee Montoya showed up. According to the wikis, she eventually became the Question. Hmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/8 "2018-07-20T06:03:56Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Please don’t be all angsty. “_Kate must overcome her own demons_ sounds” like it will be angsty. > > Is Batwoman at all light-hearted or dark comedy or is she a serious hero like the Green Arrow? The comic is _very_ angsty. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/9 "2018-07-21T00:56:43Z")
Here’s a trailer from the CW that teases the arrival of Batwoman: [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG16rRK3-xo) It’s just clips from past episodes, but the way it’s structured implies that Batwoman will indeed be a part of Supergirl’s Earth-38 rather than Earth-1. Of course, it also includes Black Lightning which is explicitly _not_ a part of the Arrowverse (for now), so who the frak knows? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/10 "2018-07-21T02:12:06Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Here’s a trailer from the CW that teases the arrival of Batwoman: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG16rRK3-xo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG16rRK3-xo) > > It’s just clips from past episodes, but the way it’s structured implies that Batwoman will indeed be a part of Supergirl’s Earth-38 rather than Earth-1. Of course, it also includes Black Lightning which is explicitly _not_ a part of the Arrowverse (for now), so who the frak knows? I’m kind of irritated by Supergirl apparently not know the identity of a masked person, Given the wide array of super-senses a Kryptonian supposedly has, she might not even _notice_ the person she’s addressing is masked, having already identified the person by smell, heartbeat, the particular arrangement of blood vessels as visible in infrared and skeletal structure as visible via x-ray… We mere humans might recognize people by sight, but I’d expect Supergirl to casually collect vastly more information about a person, to where masks and disguises are trivial, even laughable. Not that she _would_ laugh, as that would be rude. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/11 "2018-07-21T02:28:24Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m kind of irritated by Supergirl apparently not know the identity of a masked person, Given the wide array of super-senses a Kryptonian supposedly has, she might not even _notice_ the person she’s addressing is masked, having already identified the person by smell, heartbeat, the particular arrangement of blood vessels as visible in infrared and skeletal structure as visible via x-ray… We mere humans might recognize people by sight, but I’d expect Supergirl to casually collect vastly more information about a person, to where masks and disguises are trivial, even laughable. > > Not that she _would_ laugh, as that would be rude. The masks are of course lead lined. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/12 "2018-07-21T04:38:37Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > The masks are of course lead lined. 😃 That’s how they explained Supergirl not knowing who Guardian was underneath the mask. Of course, Cat Grant could immediately identify that he was Jimmy Olsen because he left his eyes unconcealed. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/13 "2018-08-08T05:05:33Z")
Ruby Rose has been cast to play Batwoman. I’m unfamiliar with her work, so I can’t say whether this is a good fit. > **[Ruby Rose to Play Lesbian Superhero Batwoman for The CW](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ruby-rose-play-lesbian-superhero-batwoman-cw-1132599/)** > > Ruby Rose will star as lesbian superhero Batwoman for The CW. > [@](#): > > Rose’s casting comes after The CW made it a priority to cast an openly gay actress to take on the role. Her credits include Netflix’s Orange Is the New Black and features The Meg, Pitch Perfect 3 and John Wick: Chapter 2. Rose, also a model and recording artist — and former MTV VJ — is repped by UTA, Art2perform and Hirsch Wallerstein. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/14 "2018-08-08T10:21:07Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Ruby Rose has been cast to play Batwoman. I’m unfamiliar with her work, so I can’t say whether this is a good fit. I’m meh on Rose - she plays pretty much the same character in everything I’ve seen her in. I think the casting is a mistake because they’re using the appearance as a sort of back-door pilot for (yet another) CW superhero show and I seriously can’t see the actress dropping her movie career to star on a series. That means that if they wind up doing a series they’ll have to re-cast the lead. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/15 "2018-08-08T12:54:58Z")
Although the Batwoman series is still in development, it is being reported everywhere that Ruby Rose would be the lead. So, not re-cast; it’s just still _in development_. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/16 "2018-08-08T13:54:54Z")
According to IMDB, she’s had some supporting roles in a few movies. Doesn’t seem like much of a movie career. She probably would prefer being the lead in a TV show, which also comes with a steady paycheck. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/17 "2018-08-08T15:48:39Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Please don’t be all angsty. “_Kate must overcome her own demons_ sounds” like it will be angsty. It’s on the CW. Even without knowing the comic, I can tell you it’s going to be angsty. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/18 "2018-08-08T16:00:59Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Ruby Rose has been cast to play Batwoman. I’m unfamiliar with her work, so I can’t say whether this is a good fit. > > [Ruby Rose to Play Lesbian Superhero Batwoman for The CW](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/ruby-rose-play-lesbian-superhero-batwoman-cw-1132599) What I’ve seen on Reddit is largely people claiming she’s not a good actor. And this was from people who were optimistic about the show saying that they now were no longer. And it wasn’t because she is LGB, as they recommended others who they thought would be better. I do think she at least looks the part. She has that type of face that looks good below the cowl. (When I look at superhero casting, I always consider looks.) But I myself have not seen her act in anything, so I do not know. Her stint on Orange is the New Black tended to be how most people knew of her. I never got into that show. Based on [this USA article](https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2018/08/08/ruby-roses-batwoman-casting-has-twitter-divided/933011002/), the people on Twitter saying she’s a good idea are all fellow actresses, while those who think she is bad actress or a problematic LGBT actress are all regular people. Interestingly, all the comments are from women. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/19 "2018-08-08T16:20:12Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It’s on the CW. Even without knowing the comic, I can tell you it’s going to be angsty. Screw being on the CW, it’s _Batwoman_…Kate’s life is full of angst. From the alcoholic haze she spent much of her time in after getting DADT’d out of West Point, to her engagement ending because her fiancee (Maggie Sawyer, as a sidenote)'s ex threatened to sue for custody of their child, to the fact that her main villains have included her (brainwashed) twin sister, and one of her (not-brainwashed) lovers. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193/20 "2018-08-08T17:03:10Z")
Ruby Rose is 130 pounds. There is no way someone that small is going to be an effective street fighter. Wonder Woman, Supergirl, and Buffy all have powers that make them superhumanly strong. The appeal of Batman/Woman is that they are regular people who are highly skilled. She is going to need to seriously bulk up for the role. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cw-announces-batwoman-series-in-development/818193.md?page=2)