# Cyberpunk 2077 has a date! 4-16-2020 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274 "2019-06-10T00:19:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/42 "2019-06-12T14:31:42Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I thought EverQuest was excellent. World of Warcraft is no longer excellent but is still quite functional (I have extensive experience with Wow; most of our threads on each WoW expansion were begun by me). I’ve played Elder Scrolls Online for 190 hours (I just checked) and enjoyed that but thought it had a ton of shortcomings. > > I would consider all of those good open world RPGs. > > ETA: Warhammer Online was an RPG but was not open world, if anyone else played that (it wasn’t a good game). All of these are MMORPGs (Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games). The Witcher and Cyberpunk 2077 are single-player CRPGs. They’re completely different genre’s, mainly due to MMOs having to account for thousands of users being connected simultaneously to the same server and therefore having to simplify various aspects of both gameplay and narrative while also relying (to various degrees) on various forms of emergent gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/43 "2019-06-12T14:38:13Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Obviously there are different kinds of “role-playing”, but in the context of gaming, part of “role-playing”, for me, is the fact that you play a role in a group. “Healer”, “warrior”, “scout”, etc. Without that aspect, it’s just playing. You have no role in a group, providing a crucial aspect necessary for the group to achieve goals: you’re just a solo adventurer. A solo RPG? So Mario Galaxy was an RPG? Banjo-Kazooie was an RPG? :dubious: That doesn’t match any definition of roleplaying game I’ve ever heard before, and I’ve been playing D&D almost as long as you have (since 1984, to be exact). Roleplaying, to me, has always been about _becoming_ the character - not just moving him around like a piece of on the board, but entering his head, thinking like him. _Being_ him. RPGs, essentially, are games of empathy. The actions I take in an adventure are not actions that I would do, but rather actions the character would do. \*That’s \*roleplaying. It doesn’t matter if I’m alone or with other people, although obviously in tabletop situations, it’s more fun playing off other party members. I’ve also played plenty of single-class parties. Why not? > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > There’s enough aspects to what an RPG is tho, that it prolly could be talked about at length in a separate thread. > > So when you finish or achieve the main goal in Witcher games, what do you do? Is the game just over? Like, cut scene and roll credits? In 1 and 2, yes. In 3, you have a a bunch of huge maps to explore full of sidequests to finish, and you can keep on playing until you’ve covered every corner of them. After that… I suppose you play something else? It’s not D&D; it’s a game, not a lifestyle. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/44 "2019-06-12T15:50:41Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Obviously there are different kinds of “role-playing”, but in the context of gaming, part of “role-playing”, for me, is the fact that you play a role in a group. “Healer”, “warrior”, “scout”, etc. Without that aspect, it’s just playing. You have no role in a group, providing a crucial aspect necessary for the group to achieve goals: you’re just a solo adventurer. A solo RPG? So Mario Galaxy was an RPG? Banjo-Kazooie was an RPG? :dubious: No, the “role” in “role-playing” is like a role in a movie or play. It refers to playing a character, not tactics. I haven’t played Mario Galaxy or Banjo-Kazooie. Reading the wikipedia entry on them, neither seems to fulfill any of the criteria I used to define an RPG. However, Mario Galaxy had co-operative multiplayer, and Banjo-Kazooie apparently refers to two different characters that the player controls for the whole game, so apparently they are RPGs under your definition? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/45 "2019-06-12T15:59:55Z")
Im sorry, I thought I was clear that IMO any further discussion of “what is an RPG” should be made in a separate thread; it is hijacking this one unnecessarily. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/46 "2020-10-27T18:51:41Z")
Delayed again:’ > **[Cyberpunk 2077, after going gold, gets delayed another month](https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/10/cyberpunk-2077-after-going-gold-gets-delayed-another-month/)** > > Studio previously pledged that new game “will have already been released” by December. We are nowhere near Duke Nuke’em Forever territory though. Brian ---
**Author:** ![smilingbandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@smilingbandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smilingbandit)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/47 "2020-10-27T23:50:28Z")
DN4E it may not be, but even after the the third delay they had a lot of goodwill and the comments were overwhelmingly positive. Now, they just took that and threw it in the toilet. The game has gone gold already and apparently their PR guy was telling people yesterday that the game was releasing on schedule. So “someone’” screwed up in a _huge_ way. This just doesn’t happen normally - and it can’t be last-minute bug fixing because they still have three weeks to launch. That would normally be enough time to deal with anything but the most complex and crippling problems and maybe even add a minor feature or add more polish. In addition, it may have a huge impact on sales. CDPR may now miss a big chunk of the Christmas rush, since the game just won’t be available during the hottest retail period. Sure, you can still buy it digitally but anyone who wanted to put something under the tree may skip it. (Before a million people leave comments nitpicking me: I can think of hyopthetical counter-arguments. The point is that CDPR is taking a huge risk doing this.) There is a possibility that management decided to do this to avoid internal complaints about Crunch. This is only a wild guess - they did not clarify. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/48 "2020-10-28T14:40:20Z")
I don’t see the risk in delaying as all that huge. The game is going to be massive in sales no matter what. Witcher 3 went on to place in top ten charts for years after release. Whatever they lose in December 2020 sales, they probably figure they’ll make up along the way. I suspect it’s much harder to recover from a bad launch. Games have done it, sure, but if a game gets an initial reputation as being a problem then people decide to wait, then figure “Well, I waited this long might as well wait for a sale” and otherwise put it off. Granted, I don’t know if the game is a mess for launch purposes – the public statement makes it sound as though all it needs is another coat of polish but it feels improbable to delay for that. I have a pre-order in for the game but I don’t really care about the delay. I’ll get it when I get it and I have a ton of other things to play in the meantime. Bug fixes or polish or just alleviating employee crunch, it’s all the same to me. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/49 "2020-10-29T03:08:36Z")
> [@smilingbandit](#): > > This just doesn’t happen normally - and it can’t be last-minute bug fixing because they still have three weeks to launch. They are claiming this is due to the time it takes to test nine versions of the game (all console variants and PC). If they only made this for the PC then we’d probably have had it out months ago. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/50 "2020-10-29T04:09:29Z")
That was my suspicion. Since the release slipped to the gen 9 console window, I am pretty damn sure they are working to shore up holes emerging there. I’m willing to bet even gen 8 console versions were solid when they announced gold. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/51 "2020-12-04T00:36:52Z")
Cyberpunk will hit the streets in the US (for PC) on Wednesday. Anyone else excited? > ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/52 "2020-12-04T00:56:13Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Anyone else excited? I’m waiting for reviews and then will wait for a good sale. I’m hoping by summer(I’m a teacher) to get a chance to play it. I hope it is good. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/53 "2020-12-04T01:02:32Z")
The title of this thread is rather amusing given the last few posts. What was that date? The date they announced it was going to be launching in August (or whenever)? Given how much people have complained about buggy games rushed out of production to hit a time table for current earnings reports, it’s nice to see that a public gaming company actually knows how to correctly manage a launch. (Yes, CD Projekt is a public company - listed in Warsaw of course - and is one of the major companies on that index) Given they’re the people behind GOG, it makes sense - they understand what people playing games actually want, and they’ve ridden that to being the largest (market cap) gaming company in Europe in May this year at least according to Wikipedia. Hopefully they can show EA, Activision, etc, that you can still make plenty of money even if you give people exactly what they want and not a bunch of buggy microtransaction games. Of course, wait for the reviews. Also, is Keanu Reeves playing the “same role” as Patrick Stewart in Oblivion? A comment from a long time ago in this thread made me think that. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/54 "2020-12-04T03:36:11Z")
> [@glowacks](#): > > Also, is Keanu Reeves playing the “same role” as Patrick Stewart in Oblivion? A comment from a long time ago in this thread made me think that. I believe developers have said he has the second most lines in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/55 "2020-12-04T14:25:48Z")
> [@glowacks](#): > > Also, is Keanu Reeves playing the “same role” as Patrick Stewart in Oblivion? A comment from a long time ago in this thread made me think that. I don’t want to potentially spoil anything for people who don’t want stuff spoiled but I think it’s safe to say that my understanding is that Reeves plays a significant core role in the game. Looking forward to Wednesday. I lucked into an RTX 3080 a month or so ago so I’m ready to trace all the rays and stuff. ---
**Author:** ![FriendlyCurmudgeon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friendlycurmudgeon/32/5786_2.png) [@FriendlyCurmudgeon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriendlyCurmudgeon)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/56 "2020-12-05T21:59:23Z")
Can’t wait for this game. I played the paper RPG version for many years. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/57 "2020-12-07T02:21:29Z")
> [@FriendlyCurmudgeon](#): > > I played the paper RPG version for many years. Is it not original? I had no idea it was based on anything. ---
**Author:** ![smilingbandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@smilingbandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smilingbandit)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/58 "2020-12-07T02:37:39Z")
**Cyberpunk** was one of the more significant tabletop RPG’s, from way back in 1988. The widely-popular second edition was named _Cyberpunk 2020_, which is presumably why the video game will be named _Cyberpunk 2077_. Author Mike Pondsmith even created a new edition called _Cyberpunk Red_ which released earlier this year. Edit: Pondsmith, and CP2020, form the basis of CP2077 and many of the historical, and sometimes current, characters are from the books. Any who are still alive are going to be fairly old and/or not entirely human, but at least four significant characters from the books are involved in the game. Likewise, Night City was a tabletop setting for the game. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/59 "2020-12-07T16:42:30Z")
The game is available for pre-loading. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/60 "2020-12-07T18:01:01Z")
Gamespot gave it 7/10. However, IGN gave it a 9/10. Sounds like it is good, but may have some issues and not just “bug” issues. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274/61 "2020-12-07T18:24:27Z")
Well, there is no way that they could have played the entire game. Even if it isn’t great, it should be long which is nice in the middle of a lock-down. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-has-a-date-4-16-2020/835274.md?page=4)