# Cyberpunk 2077 release discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** video-games-e-games\ **Created:** [December 10, 2020, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721 "2020-12-10T02:35:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/41 "2020-12-10T19:32:57Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I think there is a whole Reddit community that only plays 2+ year old games. By that point they are as bug fixed as they are likely to ever be, mods (if available) are abundant and (usually) the games are a lot less expensive and you don’t need to stay on the bleeding edge of hardware for your PC. > > If you can do that you can save a fortune on this hobby. > > It makes a lot of sense if you have the will power for it. Relevant XKCD: > **[Cutting Edge](https://xkcd.com/606/)** > > I remember trying to log in to the original Command and Conquer servers a year or two back and feeling like I was knocking on the boarded-up gates of a ghost town. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/42 "2020-12-10T19:52:23Z")
For another data point, I’ve been playing on a laptop with a 2060 Mobile. So far no real bugs, everything looks great. Simple High Quality graphics stetting. getting around 60 FPS most of the time. I Have noticed the number at as low as 49 though, and I haven’t remembered to look in any heavy action scenes. It’s not using ray tracing, but I’m not sure there have been any rays to trace 🙂 (The opening so far is one of the darkest games I have ever played) The only slight bug I have encountered is bumping into floor clutter while crouch walking causes some quick flash perspective changes. loving it. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/43 "2020-12-10T20:17:40Z")
That makes sense, as the 2060 mobile benchmarks way higher than the 780: > **[UserBenchmark: Nvidia GTX 780 vs RTX 2060 (Mobile)](https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2060-Mobile-vs-Nvidia-GTX-780/m701609vs2164)** > > Based on 169,966 user benchmarks for the Nvidia GTX 780 and the RTX 2060 (Mobile), we rank them both on effective speed and value for money against the best 692 GPUs. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/44 "2020-12-10T20:28:50Z")
[![](https://i.redd.it/j2wxu68hed461.png) ](https://i.redd.it/j2wxu68hed461.png) ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/45 "2020-12-10T23:22:36Z")
I’ve been playing some today. It’s fun, but it doesn’t feel ground breaking. So far, most of the city feels like a run down mall. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/46 "2020-12-10T23:39:04Z")
I kind of just want to know how good it is if everything works. We may have to wait awhile for that. Fallout New Vegas was amazing and I _never_ played the bugged version so my experience was not ruined. In the end, I wonder if Cyberpunk is as good as: - Skyrim - Witcher 3 - Breath of the Wild - Fallout 3, NV, or even 4 I’m curious after a few people put 50-75 hours in it what they think. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/47 "2020-12-11T00:15:08Z")
After watching a few more videos, it is several completely different gaming experiences depending on hardware. PS4 or XBOne are nearly unplayable. For example there are settings to reduce NPC and Traffic density to improve FPS, but leaves a very artificial and fake feeling city, and graphics are still Shitty. Mid 4th gen upgrades are really pretty disappointing, but playable if you are really excited for it. PS5 and Series X are giving a Decent game, if you have patience and understanding. But a good to Great PC, and it is a really great game, that is a blast to play… ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/48 "2020-12-12T01:47:13Z")
It’s definitely not Skyrim, or the Witcher 3. Combat sucks, the enemies’ tactics consist of walking in a crouch and repeating the same phrases over and over. Combat is kind of like something from a game five years ago, like I’m playing Ghost Recon. The story is interesting and the RPG elements are fun. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/49 "2020-12-12T01:59:18Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Combat sucks, the enemies’ tactics consist of walking in a crouch and repeating the same phrases over and over. Agreed. Though I might say 20 years, not 5 🙂. I’m trying to play non-lethal, and got stuck in a place where I couldn’t just run in and punch the enemies, but I could quickhack them with non-lethal damage. Trouble was, it took a hot minute to recharge, and it took like four tries on each baddie. They’re so dumb they don’t rush me, and I can just hide behind a wall until they go down. But it’s boring because it took so long to recharge. Now, combat clearly isn’t the main focus of the game, but I do wish it worked a little better. I should have stronger non-lethal options, like melee weapons, tranq darts, etc. And the baddies should be smarter to compensate. I made it through almost the entire level via stealth, which _was_ fun, but the end had one of those dumb things where they detect you no matter what. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/50 "2020-12-12T02:10:27Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > > [@madmonk28](#): > > > > Combat sucks, the enemies’ tactics consist of walking in a crouch and repeating the same phrases over and over. > > Now, combat clearly isn’t the main focus of the game, but I do wish it worked a little better. I should have stronger non-lethal options, like melee weapons, tranq darts, etc. And the baddies should be smarter to compensate. All blunt weapons are non-lethal melee, like baseball bats, Hammers, and oddly tomahawks are blunt. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/51 "2020-12-12T02:37:06Z")
Huh, ok. Thanks. None of those sound particularly non-lethal in real life, but hey, whatever. I was thinking stun guns, etc. I hope combo attacks count. I accidentally shot a guy in the gut before punching him out. He seemed to roll around for a while, so I think he was ok… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/52 "2020-12-12T03:45:55Z")
I’m still annoyed that Mass Effect 2 menus and dialogue boxes don’t let me use my scroll wheel. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/53 "2020-12-12T03:47:38Z")
My scroll wheel works for that. I can scroll up and down conversation choices or on computers for instance. I wish I could click to select a choice rather than having to press “F”. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/54 "2020-12-12T03:48:05Z")
In other words, pure cyberpunk. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/55 "2020-12-12T04:41:19Z")
This is cute, I thought: [![](https://i.redd.it/f26n937kam461.png) ](https://i.redd.it/f26n937kam461.png) I caught several of these before I saw the image, but there were a few I missed. Leeloo mooltipass! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/56 "2020-12-12T04:55:46Z")
Yeah, since all I really want from the PS4 is to play Spider-Man and The Last of Us. I can’t justify paying a lot for the damned thing. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/57 "2020-12-12T05:02:46Z")
If you are on a base ps4 this game is an absolute failure. As I said above the experience is 100% about the system you are playing it on. It never should have been released on first level 8th gen consoles. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/58 "2020-12-12T07:28:00Z")
I am not a console gamer so maybe this is a dumb question, but can they release the game on say only the ps4 pro? Or does that not really happen, if its out on PS4 it’s out on PS4 period ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/59 "2020-12-12T07:30:29Z")
Amusingly, I’ve seen a couple sources say that the second best option after a high end PC might be to play it on Google’s Stadia. I only say “amusingly” because Stadia was widely derided at launch. [Google is offering](https://stadia.google.com/game/cyberpunk2077) a free controller and Chromecast Ultra with the purchase of Cyberpunk on Stadia right now so not too much opportunity cost – pay the same as you would to play it on a last-gen console and get a much better experience. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721/60 "2020-12-12T09:42:21Z")
I don’t think they can. PS4 Pro and PS4 can because they are the same system…one just has better hardware but otherwise they can distinguish between systems. The very latest generation has backwards compatibility but it has not happened before (and the latest generation has barely hit the streets). PS4 Pro was just a beefed up PS4 and they both ran the same games. But PS4 could not play PS3 games. I get why CDPR went console…money…loads of it. But they should have stuck to PC and after worked to port to console. The game obviously suffers even on PC from trying to bridge this gap. Yeah…PC Master Race crap but I make no apologies. Some games are just better on PC and some are better on console. Both have a place. Both are fun. Trying to do both out of the gate (especially across multiple platforms) is just too much and causes endless problems. It also compromises the game since it is built trying to be good on everything rather than good on one thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cyberpunk-2077-release-discussion/927721.md?page=4)