# Czarcasm, I'd like to continue this conversation... **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [March 23, 2010, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553 "2010-03-23T23:49:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/21 "2010-03-24T01:54:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Does it have to be proper, reasonable, or both, and who gets to decide these vital matters, hmm? > **Oakminster**? > **magellan01**? > **Czarcasm**? > An impartial third party? > > What a dilemma! Have I not asked legitimate questions in a reasonable way? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/22 "2010-03-24T01:57:45Z")
Y’all what to see the “conversation” **Oakminster** wants to continue? [Here you go.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12254439&postcount=22) It wasn’t anything more than a snarky comment I tossed off on a post he made-notice that I personally didn’t offer to move his post. Not my call to make, not even my forum to make it in. Maybe I should have added a smiley face. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/23 "2010-03-24T01:59:59Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Have I not asked legitimate questions in a reasonable way? Did you not get snippy and demanding when you didn’t get an immediate response? Did I not explain that it was a freakin’ joke? Do I not have some moderating to catch up on? Why yes-I do. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/24 "2010-03-24T02:02:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Did you not get snippy and demanding when you didn’t get an immediate response? Did I not explain that it was a freakin’ joke? Do I not have some moderating to catch up on? > Why yes-I do. I do not believe I did. I believe all of my posts addressed to you have been polite, and phrased reasonably. I also believe that you have yet to address, on the merits, any of the following: > [@Oakminster](#): > > OK. Why then, didn’t you choose to “not-moderate” **D-T** in equal snarkitude, for similar hyperbole in IMHO? > > Why did you respond to my PM with “report the post”, when I’d already done so? > > Why are you so hostile when approached reasonably and politely with legitimate questions? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/25 "2010-03-24T02:05:48Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Y’all what to see the “conversation” **Oakminster** wants to continue? > [Here you go.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12254439&postcount=22) It wasn’t anything more than a snarky comment I tossed off on a post he made-notice that I personally didn’t offer to move his post. Not my call to make, not even my forum to make it in. I’m pretty sure I included that exchange in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![padabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@padabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/padabe)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/26 "2010-03-24T03:06:06Z")
Still, the link was enlightening. Honestly, **Oakminster** , the guy made a _joke_, and you proceeded to jump all over his shit about his moderating duties. What do you want him to say? Maybe he wasn’t moved to participate in the **Der Trihs** thread as a poster–that’s his prerogative, you know. Asking whether a certain post has been reported is probably SOP for responding to the type of inquiry you made. That’s the channel they want us to use. You used it. If you’re unhappy with the result, isn’t that non-mod action a separate and distinct issue from your non-mod action. Can’t really blame him for being a little snarky about this. Dude, lighten up. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/27 "2010-03-24T03:44:25Z")
> [@padabe](#): > > Still, the link was enlightening. > > Honestly, **Oakminster** , the guy made a _joke_, and you proceeded to jump all over his shit about his moderating duties. What do you want him to say? This is very much not Oak jumping all over his shit. This is Oak taking great pains to question a moderator in the proper manner. I have been entirely civil. I’m not sure the same can be said for **Czarcasm.** Ideally, I’d like for him to have acted when I reported the thread, now over 24 hours ago, and at least observed that equating all people who oppose abortion with NAMBLA and the KKK is frowned upon in IMHO, or other such modly intervention, similar to what he says was not modly intervention in response to my post in GD. Failing that, I would have appreciated a response on the merits in my original PM, rather than a dismissive “report the thread”. I did that, saw no response other than moving the thread, and politely requested an explanation. Even something like…“Oak, I’ll have to get back to you later, busy at work”, followed up with the requested explanation when possible, would have sufficed. Instead, all I get is snark. Now, I wish to raise a followup question. If Czarcasm’s post to me in GD was not actually moderating, it was therefore made as a regular poster. Would a regular poster be able to make a similar post without facing sanction for junior Modding? ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/28 "2010-03-24T04:02:26Z")
on edit-- never mind, i see the link. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/29 "2010-03-24T04:09:41Z")
The [IMHO thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=556736) where I reported post#21 as being over the top for IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/30 "2010-03-24T04:17:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Did you not get snippy and demanding when you didn’t get an immediate response? Did I not explain that it was a freakin’ joke? Do I not have some moderating to catch up on? Why yes-I do. **Czarcasm** , you really do quite suck at actual sarcasm. Such a waste of a perfectly good user name. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/31 "2010-03-24T04:24:26Z")
So when someone is rude and snarky to a Moderator, the Moderator has to grin and bear it. But when a Moderator gets snarky, we make threads complaining about it. Hm, interesting. ---
**Author:** ![padabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@padabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/padabe)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/32 "2010-03-24T05:23:07Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Now, I wish to raise a followup question. If Czarcasm’s post to me in GD was not actually moderating, it was therefore made as a regular poster. Would a regular poster be able to make a similar post without facing sanction for junior Modding? Okay, I laughed. Do the two of you have some kind of history or what? Beyond that, I dunno. Good luck with your mission, whatever it is, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/33 "2010-03-24T12:07:03Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > May I please have a reasonable response/explanation? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > No, you may not. If ever there were the perfect signature line… Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Sister\_Vigilante](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Sister\_Vigilante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sister_Vigilante)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/34 "2010-03-24T15:10:49Z")
Wouldn’t just answering the freaking questions - even you don’t feel like it - be so much easier and less of a waste both your times, than arguing over it? What could have been answered in a single PM has turned into a 33 post thread and took more time than it would to have just answered. The response to this thread should have been: 1. Answer the PM (without snarking). 2. Reply to him with “I have answered your PM, sorry for the delay.” (I don’t think PMs should ever be drug out into public.) 3. Profit! I mean really. I don’t think mods should have to answer petty questions like this in public, but I also don’t think mods should be allowed to snark while moderating or answering mod related questions. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/35 "2010-03-24T15:56:34Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > The [IMHO thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=556736) where I reported post#21 as being over the top for IMHO. I see no mention of posts #27 and #29, where you debated him, I guess thinking that reporting him just wasn’t enough. Did I give either of you warnings about hijacking the poll? Nope. Did I close the thread because yet another poll had been hijacked by posters who can’t tell the difference between low level issues that can be argued in IMHO and those issues that _obviously_ should be debated in Great Debates? Nope. Instead, I let both of you off the hook by moving the thread from IMHO to Great Debates. At that time, I didn’t receive word one from you about the move, so I thought it was o.k. with you. I didn’t know you were saving it up as ammo for the next time you thought(mistakenly, this time) that someone was trying to moderate one of your posts. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/36 "2010-03-24T15:59:56Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > If ever there were the perfect signature line… > > Regards, > Shodan Taking something out of context just to make yet another hit-and-run post. Tedious…but expected. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/37 "2010-03-24T16:17:28Z")
> [@Sister\_Vigilante](#): > > Wouldn’t just answering the freaking questions - even you don’t feel like it - be so much easier and less of a waste both your times, than arguing over it? They’ve been answered - just in a way that the mod in question doesn’t want to acknowledge. > [@](#): > > 1: Would you please provide a substantive response to the questions I raised in my initial PM? > > 1. Do you think it is appropriate for a moderator to respond to a polite inquiry in this manner, ignore the fact that the post was reported long before the PM was sent, and then refuse to respond at all on the merits of the questions I raised? The answer to the first question is ‘No’. The answer to the second question is 'Yes, but darned if I will admit it, so I will try the various did-you-report-the-post(so-we-can-ignore-it), I’m-too-busy, you-didn’t-ask-nicely, I-wasn’t-moderating, etc. I think the next step is for someone to chime in with “you just hate the mods” and the circle will be complete. Because, as **magellan01** has pointed out, this stuff about tone and level of discourse doesn’t apply to **Der Trihs**. On some level, **Czarcasm** agrees that anti-abortion people and religious believers really are subhuman and evil, and so he does not perceive that it has any effect on the level of discourse. Or at least, not any effect he objects to. Regards, Shodan ETA - on preview, I was going to delete much of this, but now I see that **Czarcasm** has time to respond, so no doubt he will be able to show how out of context my suggestion of a sig line was by giving a serious, substantive answer. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/38 "2010-03-24T16:19:37Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I see no mention of posts #27 and #29, where you debated him, I guess thinking that reporting him just wasn’t enough. Did I give either of you warnings about hijacking the poll? Nope. > Did I close the thread because yet another poll had been hijacked by posters who can’t tell the difference between low level issues that can be argued in IMHO and those issues that _obviously_ should be debated in Great Debates? Nope. > Instead, I let both of you off the hook by moving the thread from IMHO to Great Debates. At that time, I didn’t receive word one from you about the move, so I thought it was o.k. with you. I didn’t know you were saving it up as ammo for the next time you thought(mistakenly, this time) that someone was trying to moderate one of your posts. I engaged him because there was no response at all to the report after a reasonable length of time, and even so, I did so in very mild terms…letting him make all of the inflammatory statements. Also, your recent insistence that some topics should “obviously” be debated in GD is problematic–there is no list of such topics, and now the only guideline seems to be “Things that piss off Czarcasm” or possibly “Things where liberals get shredded by conservatives”. As I have mentioned in two prior ATMB threads, if you are going to enforce that kind of nebulous non-rule, you need to change the description of IMHO, which currently contains language about “frank exchanges” of views on “less than cosmic” topics. Health Care Reform is considerably less than cosmic, and a “frank exchange of views” ensued. However, you continue to dodge the real issue here. The real issue is that you were way out of line to dismiss my PM with a snarky “Have you tried reporting the post”, when I clearly had reported the post, you are the moderator of IMHO, so you knew or should have known I had reported the post, and I contacted you, as the mod of IMHO, with a concern about a post in IMHO. If I had reported the post a second time, as you apparently expected me to do, that report would have gone to the IMHO mod–which is you. This was poor moderating and unprovoked rudeness, and blaming me for your misdeed is silly. Also, you have not addressed the issue of why you are so unnecessarily and unprofessionally hostile in every single response you’ve given me on this issue. My PMs to you and my posts in this thread have been polite. You’ve replied with snark, personal attacks, one post I still haven’t figured out but seems to imply some degree of paranoia, and general rudeness. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/39 "2010-03-24T16:58:50Z")
I get off work at 3pm and head for a Con-Com meeting for GameStorm 12( a local gaming convention). Offending post made at 4:16pm. Offending post reported some time after that. I get home at 10:30pm. I sign on and hit the SDMB at about 10:35pm. I move thread from IMHO to Great Debates at 1043pm, eat a bit of leftover corned beef, and hit the sack. 4am the next day, I read my email, see the email about the offending post and think to myself, “Problem already solved-not bad!”, eat my breakfast and head off to work. It has already been explained(more than once) that my comment on **Oakminster’s** post had nothing to do with my being a moderator, and it has been shown that I _did_ do something about the offending post, and I have had to explain what should already be known by those who have complained in this thread about my supposed slowness in responding-that you shouldn’t expect a personal response for every post you report, and that you really shouldn’t expect any answer back you _do_ get to be immediate, because we have lives outside the SDMB. If you are _really_ having trouble understanding what kinds of topics are better suited for Great Debates(and I know you’ve been here long enough to know, so I suspect this is just posturing on your part), why don’t you just go there and have a looksee? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553/40 "2010-03-24T17:55:10Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > So despite your use of term moderator … you were not actually moderating? in regards to this post by Czarcasm: > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Would you a Moderator to move this to whatever thread you meant to post this in(perhaps it was in The BBQ Pit, considering the level and tone), because you don’t seem to be responding to anything even remotely said in this one. Seriously? Because he included the word “moderator” in his post, and not in the context of [Moderation On], you think he was moderating? I know you’re prone to wild bouts of hyperbole and blowing things out of proportion, but seriously? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-id-like-to-continue-this-conversation/533553.md?page=3)