# Czarcasm, is it possible for a liberal to draw a warning for insulting a conservative? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [April 22, 2010, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996 "2010-04-22T15:52:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/1 "2010-04-22T15:52:01Z")
Blatant moderator bias strikes again: > **[is there a conservative version of SDMB?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=560473)** > > Great Debates is pretty liberal here, but we tolerate and sometimes even respect our conservative posters. There’s plenty of sniping and ganging up, but it rarely melts down into a vulgar brawl. Is there any message board out there like this on the... You pass out warnings to two posters expressing conservative points of view, while letting liberals slide with only a note. Again. How can you justify letting **Rigamarole** slide with a note, but issuing warnings to \*\*JThunder \*\*and **Balthisar**? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/2 "2010-04-22T15:57:31Z")
Because the note was a warning to _all_ to stay on topic, which **JThunder** and **Balthisar** proceeded to ignore. O.K.? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/3 "2010-04-22T15:59:26Z")
I see you forgot to mention that **ghardester** also only got a warning. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/4 "2010-04-22T16:10:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Because the note was a warning to _all_ to stay on topic, which **JThunder** and **Balthisar** proceeded to ignore. > O.K.? No, not OK. Rigamarole posted his cheap shot after your modly instruction, and only got a note. If you were calling it down the middle, either \*\*JThunder \*\*and **Balthisar** get notes, too, or \*\*Rigamarole \*\*gets a warning. Instead, the liberal, who believes as you do that all conservatives are stupid, gets to make his point with minimal sanction, but you drop the hammer on your political opponents. This is not fair. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/5 "2010-04-22T16:15:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I see you forgot to mention that **ghardester** also only got a warning. Get your story straight. Unless I missed something, in post #20, **Ghardester** was not issued a warning, or even a note. It might be considered a mod instruction, but once again you didn’t do the “Mod hat” thing, so it’s hard to tell. He didn’t do anything that was warnable anyway. All he did was call you out for being a biased moderator, which you clearly are. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/6 "2010-04-22T16:16:23Z")
1. I do not believe that all conservatives are stupid. 2. You have again glossed over the fact that a conservative got “just” a warning also. 3. Would you not say that breaking the rules after two warnings is worse than breaking the rules after one warning? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/7 "2010-04-22T16:18:22Z")
You are right on one thing, though. The first two weren’t official Moderator warnings-they were Moderator instructions. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/8 "2010-04-22T16:18:28Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1. I do not believe that all conservatives are stupid. > 2. You have again glossed over the fact that a conservative got “just” a warning also. > 3. Would you not say that breaking the rules after two warnings is worse than breaking the rules after one warning? This is all well and good, but you better get your hands off **Oak** ’s Medicare! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/9 "2010-04-22T16:19:07Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > All he did was call you out for being a biased moderator, which you clearly are. Which was off-topic. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/10 "2010-04-22T16:31:01Z")
Are you intentionally trying to interject confusion by using your terms loosely? **Ghardester** did not receive a mod warning, or even a note. He made a post, you apparently decided to issue a formal instruction, even though you didn’t bother to identify it as such. **Rigamarole** almost immediately ignored your instruction, and he only gets a note. Two conservatives later comment on how poorly conservatives are treated here, and you hammer them with a stronger sanction than you gave a liberal, even though the liberal’s offense was one of intentional insult to all conservatives, and the conservative’s post merely pointed out how poorly conservatives are treated by liberals on this board. They did not abuse or insult anybody. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/11 "2010-04-22T16:32:19Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Which was off-topic. But true. Still, I’m not complaining about how you handled that one. I’m complaining about how you handled the aftermath. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/12 "2010-04-22T16:44:19Z")
Schoolboy crush or stalker’s obsession? Only an interminable number of these threads will reveal the truth… ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/13 "2010-04-22T17:36:49Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Schoolboy crush or stalker’s obsession? Only an interminable number of these threads will reveal the truth… I dunno. I guess i’m one of the liberal “usual suspects” around here, but i think **Oakminster** has a point in this particular case. Here’s the chronology: 12:41 p.m. > [@is there a conservative version of SDMB?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-conservative-version-of-sdmb/536875/11): > > Obviously, since these terms [conservative-leaning, intellectual] are mutually exclusive. 2:29 p.m. > [@is there a conservative version of SDMB?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-conservative-version-of-sdmb/536875/21): > > To the rest: The OP is looking for a conservative board along the lines of the SDMB. Please stay on topic. 3:04 p.m. > [@is there a conservative version of SDMB?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-conservative-version-of-sdmb/536875/23): > > I wasn’t joking. (A post that effective reiterates his earlier assertion that conservative and intellectual are mutually exclusive terms.) 4:32 p.m. > [@is there a conservative version of SDMB?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-conservative-version-of-sdmb/536875/26): > > [Moderator Note]And _I_ told y’all to stay on topic. If you want to play “My wing is better than your wing!” fly over to the appropriate forum. Again, this thread is for helping the OP find a conservative version of the SDMB.[/Moderator Note] 7:07 a.m. > [@is there a conservative version of SDMB?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-conservative-version-of-sdmb/536875/39): > > Based on comments that people have made in some threads, I think that’s true. > > Heck, even in this non-GD thread, you have one person saying that the terms “conservative” and “intellectual” are mutually exclusive. You also have one person sniping at this topic by saying, “A message board filled with ‘your people’ that you can sit down and have chatty posts without feeling like you have 3 eyes in your forehead?” (an extremely unfair characterization, since the thread is specifically about looking for more balanced discussion). I wish I could say that these were isolated incidents, but I’ve been here long enough to know that they aren’t. > > I’m no surprised that many conservatives choose to shy away from these discussions, given the general tenor of these responses. 7:28 a.m. > [@is there a conservative version of SDMB?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-conservative-version-of-sdmb/536875/41): > > [Moderator Warning]You’ve also been here long enough to know to stop hijacking a thread, especially after a Moderator has posted notes about the problem. Infraction issued.[/Moderator Warning] As far as i can tell, **Rigamarole** made a direct assertion that conservative and intellectual are incompatible terms, made the same assertion again after a moderator had told everyone to stay on topic, and received a Moderator Note for it. **JThunder** made no claims about the intelligence or intellectual capacity of anyone, but did make some off-topic general remarks about the moderation of the board, and received an explicit Moderator Warning, including the words “Infraction issued.” I’m not arguing that either of these sins was especially heinous. In fact, if they had both passed with nothing more than an admonition to keep on track, then i wouldn’t have cared. But it seems to me that, whether or not they were egregious breaches of the rules, they were both about equally bad, and yet only one received an official warning or infraction. I have no bone to pick with **Rigamarole** , and nor do i particularly want him to receive a warning. I feel similarly about **JThunder**. This isn’t about them. It’s about the fact that we should be able to expect a certain amount of consistency in the way this place is moderated, and it looks rather bad when moderators appear to give more breaks to people who share their political outlook. **Czarcasm** , even if this wasn’t what you intended, it certainly could appear that way. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/14 "2010-04-22T17:47:00Z")
I don’t see the inconsistency. **Czarcasm** gave everyone in the thread two notices to keep on topic. No warnings issued before then – just reminders, with the second one being more sternly stated than the first, since **Rigmarole** had already ignored one note. When **JThunder** ignored _both_ instructions, **Czarcasm** got fed up and finally issued a warning. Makes sense to me. A three-strikes-and-you’re-out sorta deal. Perhaps he’d have done so to a liberal who’d ignored multiple instructions to shut the hell up or stay on topic. Fortunately for them, none did. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/15 "2010-04-22T17:48:57Z")
It doesn’t matter in my mind if the people breaking the rules are conservative, liberal or libertarian. I gave two general warnings to stay on topic, then issued infractions to those who refused to do so. If a certain type of poster gets more infractions than another type of poster, perhaps it is because the former type disobeys Moderator instructions more often than the latter. Thus the bias might not be with the Moderator, but with the poster. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/16 "2010-04-22T17:50:21Z")
> [@choie](#): > > I don’t see the inconsistency. **Czarcasm** gave everyone in the thread two notices to keep on topic. No warnings issued before then – just reminders, with the second one being more sternly stated than the first, since **Rigmarole** had already ignored one note. When **JThunder** ignored _both_ instructions, **Czarcasm** got fed up and finally issued a warning. Makes sense to me. A three-strikes-and-you’re-out sorta deal. > > Perhaps he’d have done so to a liberal who’d ignored multiple instructions to shut the hell up or stay on topic. Fortunately for them, none did. By why should it need multiple instructions? If things have gotten bad enough, in an IMHO thread, that a moderator feels the need to come in and say: > [@is there a conservative version of SDMB?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-conservative-version-of-sdmb/536875/21): > > To the rest: The OP is looking for a conservative board along the lines of the SDMB. Please stay on topic. then shouldn’t that be enough? Is there a rule that i missed somewhere that allows you to ignore the first moderator instruction, and not the second one? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/17 "2010-04-22T17:50:44Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I have no bone to pick with **Rigamarole** , and nor do i particularly want him to receive a warning. I feel similarly about **JThunder**. This isn’t about them. It’s about the fact that we should be able to expect a certain amount of consistency in the way this place is moderated, and it looks rather bad when moderators appear to give more breaks to people who share their political outlook. **Czarcasm** , even if this wasn’t what you intended, it certainly could appear that way. Thank you. Made the point better than I did, and analyzed the situation objectively. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/18 "2010-04-22T17:52:23Z")
To directly answer the thread’s title: It is entirely possible, and probably likely, for a liberal to draw a warning for insulting a conservative if said liberal ignored warnings to knock it off. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/19 "2010-04-22T17:55:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If a certain type of poster gets more infractions than another type of poster, perhaps it is because the former type disobeys Moderator instructions more often than the latter. Thus the bias might not be with the Moderator, but with the poster. “If a certain type of poster”? (Emphasis mine.) The wording struck me as odd. Are you implying that the conservative posters here garner more infractions? Or by “type”, do you mean “Troll”? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/20 "2010-04-22T18:00:51Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It doesn’t matter in my mind if the people breaking the rules are conservative, liberal or libertarian. I gave two general warnings to stay on topic, then issued infractions to those who refused to do so. If a certain type of poster gets more infractions than another type of poster, perhaps it is because the former type disobeys Moderator instructions more often than the latter. Thus the bias might not be with the Moderator, but with the poster. Posters don’t get to issue warnings. Posters are not officially sanctioned “Board Leaders” who are expected to set an example for others to follow. I know you hate me. I accept that, even though I’m baffled as to why. Put your personal animosity towards me aside for a minute. Even if I accept that you honestly believe you are not moderating in accord with your liberal agenda, and you do not intend to discriminate against conservative posters, the outcome of your actions remains the same. Liberals skate while conservatives get hammered for the same or lesser offenses. Maybe your political views are so strong that you honestly do not see a statement like “All anti-abortion activists are the equivalents of NAMBLA and the KKK” as being objectionable or even mildly controversial. If that is the case, you need to resign as a moderator. You’re not able to call it down the middle. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996.md?page=2)