# Czarcasm, is it possible for a liberal to draw a warning for insulting a conservative? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [April 22, 2010, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996 "2010-04-22T15:52:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/21 "2010-04-22T18:03:28Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > To directly answer the thread’s title: It is entirely possible, and probably likely, for a liberal to draw a warning for insulting a conservative if said liberal ignored warnings to knock it off. Have you ever issued such a warning? Got links? Really wish you would stop using “warning” when you mean “note”. Also, why do liberals get a second chance before the warning? You did not extend that courtesy to the conservatives in this incident. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/22 "2010-04-22T18:05:01Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > “If a certain type of poster”? (Emphasis mine.) The wording struck me as odd. > > Are you implying that the conservative posters here garner more infractions? Nope. I’m _saying_ that if a certain group of posters, be they conservative, liberal, religious or what ever, consistently complain that they are being picked on, it might not be unwise to consider the actions of those posters as well as the moderators they complain about. > [@](#): > > Or by “type”, do you mean “Troll”? Nope. I usually say what I mean. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/23 "2010-04-22T18:05:08Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > “If a certain type of poster”? (Emphasis mine.) The wording struck me as odd. > > Are you implying that the conservative posters here garner more infractions? > > Or by “type”, do you mean “Troll”? **Czarcasm’s** actions as both a poster and a moderator show that he believes all conservatives are evil, and all conservative posters are trolls. Me included, even though I’ve never received a warning here. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/24 "2010-04-22T18:09:33Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Have you ever issued such a warning? Got links? You made the accusation of bias-you show _me_ an example that compares to this one. > [@](#): > > Really wish you would stop using “warning” when you mean “note”. Yeah, me too. Bad habit I really need to break. > [@](#): > > Also, why do liberals get a second chance before the warning? You did not extend that courtesy to the conservatives in this incident. Because I think conservatives are intelligent enough to realize that a note to all is also a note to _them_. I’m surprised you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/25 "2010-04-22T18:13:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Nope. I’m _saying_ that if a certain group of posters, be they conservative, liberal, religious or what ever, consistently complain that they are being picked on, it might not be unwise to consider the actions of those posters as well as the moderators they complain about. [OP Hat On] This thread is not about the abuse certain liberals, including yourself, as a poster, constantly heap on conservatives. This thread is about your actions as a moderator in a specific thread. If you’d like to discuss whether certain groups of posters are picked on, please feel free to start a thread in an appropriate forum. Thanks, Oak [OP Hat Off] ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/26 "2010-04-22T18:13:36Z")
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**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/27 "2010-04-22T18:18:29Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > [OP Hat On] > > This thread is not about the abuse certain liberals, including yourself, as a poster, constantly heap on conservatives. This thread is about your actions as a moderator in a specific thread. If you’d like to discuss whether certain groups of posters are picked on, please feel free to start a thread in an appropriate forum. > > Thanks, > Oak > [OP Hat Off] Apparently this thread is about you ignoring what ever I have to say and going on about my deficiencies as a moderator. You can sit and pout here all you want, but I’ve got other things to do. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/28 "2010-04-22T18:29:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Nope. I usually say what I mean. I have little doubt. I, however, needed clarification on the meaning and use of the word “type”, when coupled with “of posters”. I hoped to get a greater understanding of your post. Certain _type_ of posters think all conservatives are ee-ville. Certain _type_ of posters like to walk a thin line with the rules of the board, stir up the moderators, or play ‘gotcha’ games with other posters. Certain _type_ of posters just bring the popcorn and enjoy the melodrama. Certain _type_ of posters are merely easily confused. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/29 "2010-04-22T18:29:12Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I know you hate me. I accept that, even though I’m baffled as to why. Put your personal animosity towards me aside for a minute. > [@Oakminster](#): > > **Czarcasm’s** actions as both a poster and a moderator show that he believes all conservatives are evil, and all conservative posters are trolls. Me included, even though I’ve never received a warning here. [Moderating] **Oakminster** , I have no particular dog in this fight. However, these kinds of personal remarks, particularly in attributing malignant motivations, are inappropriate for ATMB. Let’s dial the level of rhetoric back a bit, and stick to factual matters in your complaints. Colibri ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/30 "2010-04-22T18:35:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Apparently this thread is about you ignoring what ever I have to say and going on about my deficiencies as a moderator. You can sit and pout here all you want, but I’ve got other things to do. So far the second time, you’re caught red handed, refuse to acknowledge any possibility that you are wrong or made an error, and now you’re running away to hide, hoping this will all blow over? Have you noticed that no other mod is backing you up on this? No other mod backed you up in the other thread I started when you messed up, either. In my experience here, the only times that happens is when the mod in question has absolutely no excuse or justification for the questioned act. Do the right thing here, **Czarcasm**. Take back the warnings, let everybody involved get mod notes. Same punishment for the same crime. That’s fair. ETA: This was posted before I saw \*\*Colibri’\*\*s mod note. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/31 "2010-04-22T18:37:43Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > [Moderating] > > **Oakminster** , I have no particular dog in this fight. However, these kinds of personal remarks, particularly in attributing malignant motivations, are inappropriate for ATMB. Let’s dial the level of rhetoric back a bit, and stick to factual matters in your complaints. > > Colibri With all due respect, how are my comments any more objectionable than this: > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Apparently this thread is about you ignoring what ever I have to say and going on about my deficiencies as a moderator. You can sit and pout here all you want, but I’ve got other things to do. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/32 "2010-04-22T18:50:49Z")
I know I joke around a lot, but **Oakminster** , do you think it’s possible you’ve got a victim complex? I’ve read the thread that this complaint is regarding and I don’t see the bias that you’re accusing **Czar** of having. Well, I see a bias, yes, in that he’s liberal. But as far as his moderating is concerned he’s acted fairly as far as I can tell. And yes, I might be biased in favor of the mods. But I’m trying real hard to see what you’re seeing, even when you’re pointing it right out, and it’s not happening. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/33 "2010-04-22T18:53:19Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Have you noticed that no other mod is backing you up on this? I haven’t read the thread yet, but I don’t have a problem with this situation as it’s been presented. He made two notes asking people to drop the hijack and then warned the next person who continued on the hijack. Political affiliation does not have to enter into it. And yes, **Czarcasm** has warned posters who most of us would consider liberal. Pulling the ‘no other mod is backing you up’ card is at least a little unfair. This argument is between you and **Czarcasm** , so he ought to respond first. When other mods jump in, the issue can get confused and the complaints of ‘they’re circling the wagons, sigh’ begin. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/34 "2010-04-22T19:09:41Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I haven’t read the thread yet I think it might be a good idea if you did. > [@](#): > > When other mods jump in, the issue can get confused and the complaints of ‘they’re circling the wagons, sigh’ begin. Especially post #27, and 29. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Amblydoper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/fbc32d/32.png) [@Amblydoper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amblydoper)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/35 "2010-04-22T19:25:06Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I haven’t read the thread yet, but I don’t have a problem with this situation as it’s been presented. **He made two notes asking people to drop the hijack and then warned the next person who continued on the hijack**. Political affiliation does not have to enter into it. … Bolding Mine. I agree with this description of the events. And I apologize for inspiring the comment that generated the warning. I was making an innocent observation, but I should know better then to talk about politics on this message board. As an isolated incident, the moderator actions in this thread were appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/36 "2010-04-22T19:26:36Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > With all due respect, how are my comments any more objectionable than this: **Czarcasm’s** remark was somewhat personal. However, in my opinion saying that he “hates you” and that he “believes all conservatives are evil, and all conservative posters are trolls” is very much more objectionable than what **Czarcasm** said about you. Also note that my remark was neither a warning nor even a moderator note, but rather an attempt to rachet down the level of antagonism before it got further out of hand. I don’t think it benefits the discussion to employ that tactic. > [@Oakminster](#): > > Have you noticed that no other mod is backing you up on this? No other mod backed you up in the other thread I started when you messed up, either. In my experience here, the only times that happens is when the mod in question has absolutely no excuse or justification for the questioned act. As **Marley23** notes, you are wrong on this. I did not comment on the substance of the thread because the dispute is basically between you and **Czarcasm**. Since you evidently are soliciting input, I will say that I have read the thread in question, and I don’t see any real evidence of bias or abuse on the part of **Czarcasm** with regard to posters’ politics. If I had been moderating that thread, I might have handled it the same way. ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/37 "2010-04-22T19:37:48Z")
Bill Cosby once observed that _“Dad does not want justice! Dad wants QUIET!!!”_ ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/38 "2010-04-22T19:54:04Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > **Czarcasm’s** remark was somewhat personal. However, in my opinion saying that he “hates you” and that he “believes all conservatives are evil, and all conservative posters are trolls” is very much more objectionable than what **Czarcasm** said about you. Also note that my remark was neither a warning nor even a moderator note, but rather an attempt to rachet down the level of antagonism before it got further out of hand. I don’t think it benefits the discussion to employ that tactic. I appreciate the explanation. I do not agree with your conclusion regarding which act is more objectionable. I am not a moderator here. **Czarcasm** is. I believe moderators should be held to a higher standard of conduct than posters, and if I ever become a moderator here, I will conduct myself accordingly. However, I understand that no warning or even note was issued, and that you were attempting to spread oil on troubled waters. I appreciate that, too. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/39 "2010-04-22T19:56:21Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I think it might be a good idea if you did. I’ve done that, and I stand by what I said. **Czarcasm** was trying to prevent over-the-top partisanship, not clear the floor so liberals could dump on conservatives. I think he did a good job of handling it; after reading the first few posts I thought the thread might turn out to be a complete mess. **Oakminster** , I notice that **JThunder** apologized for part of what he said in the post that drew the warning, and as far as I can tell he doesn’t have a problem with **Czarcasm** ’s actions. I think you’re seeing bias where there was none. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996/40 "2010-04-22T20:09:42Z")
> [@](#): > > got a victim complex? I have to agree with this, I went back and read it, and re read it, and I just can’t see it as you’re calling it. You seem kind of hyper sensitive or something. I’m not trying to say you have a victim complex, just that your actions here are making it look like you do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasm-is-it-possible-for-a-liberal-to-draw-a-warning-for-insulting-a-conservative/536996.md?page=3)