# Czarcasm's Junior Modding in ATMB **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 28, 2012, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174 "2012-09-28T19:12:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/81 "2012-10-02T15:05:27Z")
> [@RyJae](#): > > Rarely do I venture into these threads, because personally I just read and post where I don’t find things that bother me. But wouldn’t the entire problem be mostly solved if a poster asked a question regarding rules/punishments in ATMB only moderators or admins can respond? The question asked, the moderators answered, thread closed. Once in a great while a suggestion from the peanut gallery is accepted and implemented. For example, when “official” moderator actions are taken in a post, they are supposed to do so under the banner “ **moderating** ”. It wasn’t always that way. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/82 "2012-10-02T15:06:40Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I don’t recall issuing a Warning more than one day after an event. Wasn’t there some after holiday weekends? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/83 "2012-10-02T16:26:56Z")
I’m highly amused that **BigT** thinks the mods are all the best of chums… ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/84 "2012-10-02T16:39:57Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > A lot of big words BigT. Do you think you can back them up by showing some examples of Czarcasm junior modding? > > Take your time. [But don’t take forever; come on!](http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv174/kayaker01/BigT-watch.gif) ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/85 "2012-10-02T16:50:50Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > Do you think you can back them up by showing some examples of Czarcasm junior modding? > > Take your time. There have already been many given. Here’s the problem, most of the rules around here are not ‘bright lines’. A rule can be considered broken (and thus actionable) because a mod says so. \*\*Tom \*\*came in here and looked at **Czarcasm** ’s posts provided by others and hand-waved them away. They weren’t jr. modding by definition because a mod said so (I note by the way that Tom said “not really”. A little wiggle room? Why not just say “no” if they weren’t?). Also, others in this thread have tried to characterize jr. modding as threatening other posters. It is that for sure but JM can be more than that. Many of those examples posted in this thread have been posted in similar form by us ‘regular’ posters and gotten noted for it. Here’s an example: [in this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=663655), **Ravenman** asked that the mods take a look at jabs he thought were inappropriate, “I think the jabs at West Virginians in this thread deserve moderator attention.” (which proved to be true as they received a mod not) But for his remark, **Ravenman** also got a [note for “jr. modding”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15436523&postcount=38). I agreed with **Ravenman** that a mod should look at those posts. My[entire post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15436404&postcount=36)consisted of one word: “Seconded”. I received a mod note for jr. modding. If agreeing with another poster that offensive posts should be evaluated by a mod is jr. modding, how in the world are the numerous examples of **Czarcasm** ’s posts not jr. modding? ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/86 "2012-10-02T17:42:12Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > Many of those examples posted in this thread have been posted in similar form by us ‘regular’ posters and gotten noted for it. Here’s an example: [in this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=663655), **Ravenman** asked that the mods take a look at jabs he thought were inappropriate, “I think the jabs at West Virginians in this thread deserve moderator attention.” (which proved to be true as they received a mod not) > > But for his remark, **Ravenman** also got a [note for “jr. modding”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15436523&postcount=38). Another example: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13435941#post13435941](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13435941#post13435941) - **pseudotriton ruber ruber** warned for junior modding for saying: > [@](#): > > Threadshit much? [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14926628](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14926628) - \*\*Czarcasm says: > [@](#): > > That response I have no problem with, but saying that one shouldn’t form opinions based on the evidence provided goes too far, because you could add that threadshit into any and all threads where people are stating their opinions. No warning. pseudotriton is warned for saying someone is threadshitting. Czarcasm does the same thing, and isn’t warned. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/87 "2012-10-02T18:04:34Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I could maybe get behind a Pit thread calling him out for annoying douchy posts but not an ATMB one for breaking rules. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Exactly. ATMB isn’t here so we can get or address **Czarcasm’s** take on things. If he wants to express an opinion, fine, but he needs to knock off the fault-finding and instructional tone when it comes to non-mod posters. > [@tomndebb](#): > > The thread was opened to complain about junior modding–a point that no one has succeeded in substantiating. > [@tomndebb](#): > > I would appreciate Czarcasm backing off on some of his responses, simply to reduce the number of complaints about him. This whole thread in a nutshell , for me at least. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/88 "2012-10-02T18:06:59Z")
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15546292&postcount=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15546292&postcount=2) > [@Mr. and Mrs. Howell on "Gilligan's Island"](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-and-mrs-howell-on-gilligans-island/636440/1): > > Okay so maybe this isn’t a “great debate” but I would like to hear anybody’s comments here. In your opinion, did Mrs. Howell marry Thurston Howell III for his money? > > > [@Mr. and Mrs. Howell on "Gilligan's Island"](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-and-mrs-howell-on-gilligans-island/636440/2): > > > > Why did you post it in Great Debates if you didn’t think it belonged there? Obvious junior modding and a moderately jerkish post.\* No warning, no mod note \*Czarcasm has the idiotic delusion that if he posts his junior modding and snark in the form of a question, it’s somehow ok. ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/89 "2012-10-02T19:04:13Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > The thread was opened to complain about junior modding–a point that no one has succeeded in substantiating. Now it seems to have fallen into a series of claims that when people attack the staff, Czarcasm responds to them in kind. Look - problem solved! Everyone o.k. with closing this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Ostrya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/35a633/32.png) [@Ostrya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ostrya)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/90 "2012-10-02T19:29:08Z")
After reading the cites brought to attention by PlainJain and elmwood, I take back what I said about the junior modding. I need to stay out of this particular discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/91 "2012-10-02T19:40:48Z")
> [@elmwood](#): > > Look - problem solved! > > Everyone o.k. with closing this thread? You should stop junior czarcasming. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/92 "2012-10-02T19:43:39Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Obvious junior modding and a moderately jerkish post.\* No warning, no mod note I thought it was a good question and I didn’t think it was junior modding. **Hottius Maximus** is pretty new here, but that was obviously the wrong forum. I agree this thread has just about run its course. We don’t need a thread that lists every single **Czarcasm** post that someone feels is junior-modding. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/93 "2012-10-02T19:50:02Z")
> [@"marley23](#): > > I thought it was a good question Of course you do. So you’re giving blanket ok to anyone else asking that question to posters? I strongly doubt it. He’s not a mod. Why is it ok for him to question a poster’s posting choices/decisions? ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/94 "2012-10-02T19:53:50Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I agree this thread has just about run its course. We don’t need a thread that lists every single **Czarcasm** post that someone feels is junior-modding. Look, I certainly don’t want to be a jerk for jerk’s sake so I’ll bow out of this part of it. But some, including a mod, have asked for examples. When given they are waved away so more are given. That’s why it has turned into this. Would it really be that hard to look at the given examples and admit he is given a little (lot?) more posting latitude than others? For the record I have nothing against **Czarcasm** as a regular poster. But his rude jr. modding always seem to sour the flavor of the threads he posts them in. Especially in this forum. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/95 "2012-10-02T19:59:04Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > We don’t need a thread that lists every single **Czarcasm** post that someone feels is junior-modding. Why not, when another moderator specifically asked for examples of exactly that? ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/96 "2012-10-02T20:05:58Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Of course you do. I might actually believe him on this one. When \*\*juck \*\*[started a thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=663987&highlight=matter) entitled: “Are tattoos way overplayed by now?” in IMHO, **Marley** ’s response was a curt: [“Does it matter?”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15444549&postcount=4) Try to get away with that sometime. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/97 "2012-10-02T20:16:41Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I thought it was a good question… He could just as easily reported the thread for a forum change, and even announced that he did, if he felt it was in the wrong forum. Isn’t that what we’ve been told to do? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/98 "2012-10-02T20:18:09Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Why is it ok for him to question a poster’s posting choices/decisions? Why wouldn’t that be OK? He didn’t accuse him of anything or say he’d broken a rule. He asked why he posted a thread about Gilligan’s Island to Great Debates. I thought that was a good question. > [@PlainJain](#): > > Try to get away with that sometime. Curtness is not against any rule. And as I explained in that thread and in emails or private messages, that’s not threadshitting. I was not dismissing the topic and hoped the OP would actually try to answer the question, which didn’t happen. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Why not, when another moderator specifically asked for examples of exactly that? **tomndebb** asked for examples, and said the ones that have been posted don’t really substantiate the accusation (I agree). I said I’m not keeping this thread open as a running tally of every time someone thinks **Czarcasm** has junior-moderated. We have thread reports for that. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/99 "2012-10-02T20:21:22Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > He could just as easily reported the thread for a forum change, and even announced that he did, if he felt it was in the wrong forum. He did report the post, and so did several other posters because the thread was very obviously in the wrong forum. Now, given that the OP said “Okay so maybe this isn’t a “great debate”” and there is another forum for questions about TV shows, what was wrong with asking the OP why he posted it in Great Debates? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/100 "2012-10-02T20:26:59Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > We don’t need a thread that lists every single **Czarcasm** post that someone feels is junior-modding. I was with you until **elmwood** and **Jane** ’s posts above. Other people got Noted for “Jr. Modding” for doing exactly what **Czarcasm** does. I don’t think any of it is actual Jr. Modding but there is a lack of consistency. If what those guys did was actionable, then the other should be as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174.md?page=6)