# Czarcasm's Junior Modding in ATMB **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 28, 2012, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174 "2012-09-28T19:12:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/101 "2012-10-02T20:34:58Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I was with you until **elmwood** and **Jane** ’s posts above. Other people got Noted for “Jr. Modding” for doing exactly what **Czarcasm** does. I don’t think any of it is actual Jr. Modding but there is a lack of consistency. If what those guys did was actionable, then the other should be as well. **elmwood** is arguing that **Czarcasm** should’ve received a mod note for threadshitting in a Pit thread (while disputing a point with **Bricker** ) because **pseudotriton ruber ruber** got one for accusing someone of threadshitting in an ATMB thread. ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/102 "2012-10-02T20:49:20Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **tomndebb** asked for examples, and said the ones that have been posted don’t really substantiate the accusation (I agree). I said I’m not keeping this thread open as a running tally of every time someone thinks **Czarcasm** has junior-moderated. We have thread reports for that. A few people have pointed out cases where an action by a “civilian” earned a warning for junior modding, thus meeting some mod litmus text for junior modding, but when Czarcasm did the same thing, there was no warning. There’s been no response from Czarcasm’s former colleagues. I’ll cite my example again. > [@Spectre of Pithecanthropus](#): > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13931924&postcount=44](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13931924&postcount=44) > > To accuse other posters publicly of violating the rules is, in fact, junior modding, and that’s a warnable offense. Criticism it may have been, but it’s also junior modding. [**Jake Jones** says someone is threadshitting](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13931868&postcount=40). Warning issued. [**pseudotriton ruber ruber** says someone is threadshitting](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13435941&postcount=46). Warning issued. [**Czarcasm** , as a regular user, says someone is threadshitting](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14926628). No warning issued. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/103 "2012-10-02T20:55:23Z")
> [@elmwood](#): > > I’ll cite my example again. I will say again (since you missed it in my last post and in the thread itself) that you are comparing a post in the Pit to one in ATMB. Do you see a potential problem with this comparison? ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/104 "2012-10-02T21:40:57Z")
I guess I didn’t get the part where the general guideline of “junior modding = to accuse other posters publicly of violating the rules” does not apply in the Pit. Or, does it just apply to accusations of threadshitting? Calvinball, anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/105 "2012-10-02T21:44:40Z")
> [@elmwood](#): > > I guess I didn’t get the part where the general guideline of “junior modding = to accuse other posters publicly of violating the rules” does not apply in the Pit. I am sure you’re aware that the rules in the Pit are more lax than in other forums. I can believe you think **Czarcasm** ’s post was junior moderating, but I thought the issue here is that he wasn’t moderated for it while other posters who said similar things did get moderate. And my response is: Are you joking? He described a type of post as threadshitting. Do you really expect a mod note for that a Pit thread? I can find a couple of warnings for junior modding in the Pit, but they all went to longterm whiners and trolls like **Carol Stream**. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/106 "2012-10-02T23:34:09Z")
Pointing out inconsistency in modding is just another way of saying people are human. The inconsistency is not a mod conspiracy, it’s human beings being put in the position of enforcing a questionable policy. The condition exists where someone can be determined to be insulting/a jerk and warned (or not) by sheer dint of choice of a couple of words, and the resulting shitstorm takes up time better spent on anything from picking one’s belly button out on up. For what purpose? Marketing Ed Zotti’s dead cottage industry? ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/107 "2012-10-02T23:39:08Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I am sure you’re aware that the rules in the Pit are more lax than in other forums. > > \ > > I can find a couple of warnings for junior modding in the Pit, but they all went to longterm whiners and trolls like Carol Stream. Ah, the pit. The magical place where the rules are more lax except when they’re not. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/108 "2012-10-03T02:02:53Z")
> [@elmwood](#): > > A few people have pointed out cases where an action by a “civilian” earned a warning for junior modding, thus meeting some mod litmus text for junior modding, but when Czarcasm did the same thing, there was no warning. That’s because nobody reported it. > [@Garfield226](#): > > Ah, the pit. The magical place where the rules are more lax except when they’re not. Which rules do you imagine are enforced more strictly in the Pit? ---
**Author:** ![Krav\_Manga](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/krav_manga/32/3153_2.png) [@Krav\_Manga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krav_Manga)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/109 "2012-10-03T08:43:55Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > That’s because nobody reported it. And yet when other infractions by Czarcasm **are** reported they are ignored until they can conveniently be waved away under the new ‘water under the bridge’ rule. > [@](#): > > Which rules do you imagine are enforced more strictly in the Pit? Wow, the reading comprehension skills of mods around here are appalling. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/110 "2012-10-03T10:43:27Z")
> [@elmwood](#): > > Or, does it just apply to accusations of threadshitting? Try calling another poster a troll outside the Pit and see… ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/111 "2012-10-03T11:02:28Z")
> [@Krav\_Manga](#): > > Wow, the reading comprehension skills of mods around here are appalling. Either that or their basic logic skills. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/112 "2012-10-03T15:01:02Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **elmwood** is arguing that **Czarcasm** should’ve received a mod note for threadshitting in a Pit thread (while disputing a point with **Bricker** ) because **pseudotriton ruber ruber** got one for accusing someone of threadshitting in an ATMB thread. Nitpick: **elmwood** is arguing **Czarcasm** should’ve received a mod note for _accusing another poster of threadshitting_ in a Pit thread (while disputing a point with **Bricker** ). ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/113 "2012-10-03T15:11:29Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Nitpick: **elmwood** is arguing **Czarcasm** should’ve received a mod note for _accusing another poster of threadshitting_ in a Pit thread (while disputing a point with **Bricker** ). Right, but the point doesn’t change. The idea that someone would get a note in the Pit for accusing someone of threadshitting is laughable. Surprise, folks: The Pit is not modded the same way ATMB and IMHO are. If you insult someone else and accuse them of threadshitting (as in the other examples) in a non-Pit forum, you may very well get a mod note or a warning. In the Pit? No. The Pit is the forum where you can insult people and you can accuse them of breaking the rules, too. I did a search and here’s what I found for mod notes on junior modding in the Pit: **Carol Stream** got a few warnings for it (because of her terminal whining) and another troll got one warning for it. That’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Sister\_Vigilante](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Sister\_Vigilante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sister_Vigilante)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/114 "2012-10-03T15:41:38Z")
I’ll just throw my 2 cents in: Czarcasm is behaving as a junior mod (in fact I can’t think of a post he’s made lately that wasn’t junior modding - he even did it yesterday) and everyone needs to just shut up about it because it’s not going to change. Maybe I’m reading different forums than he is but to me it looks like he’s camped out here in ATMB just to be a jerk to people. I don’t really care because I don’t care what junior modders say or think when they’re junior modding. I read the post, look at the poster, and 99% of the time it’s him. Let it go, people. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/115 "2012-10-03T18:44:40Z")
> [@Krav\_Manga](#): > > Wow, the reading comprehension skills of mods around here are appalling. > [@amanset](#): > > Either that or their basic logic skills. Aw, shit. Yeah, I totally muffed that one. That’s what I get for trying to read ATMB when I’m high on horse tranquilizers. For that matter, I should offer the full mea culpa and admit that my “Nobody reported it,” response wasn’t wholly accurate. It’s true, I didn’t receive any thread reports on that post at the time, but even if I had, I wouldn’t have acted on it. In this specific instance, **Czarcasm** ’s post wasn’t junior modding, because the behavior he was calling out **Bricker** over is not a violation of the rules in the Pit. While in any other forum, coming into a thread just to say, “This topic is stupid,” is against the rules, in the Pit, it’s a time honored institution. The risk of a misfired pitting is one of the things that makes posting to the Pit so interesting, and it’s an aspect of the Pit culture that we encourage specifically to keep the number of bullshit pittings in the forum to a minimum. So, in the specific exchange in question, if **Bricker** was threadshitting, that’s fine. And if **Czarcasm** felt that there was some rhetorical value in calling him out on threadshitting, that’s fine too. More generally, I’m not sure if the idea of a rule against junior modding really makes sense in the Pit in the first place. It seems to me that, if you want to call someone an idiot for not being able to follow the rules, that should be okay. I don’t have time to look at the moment, but I’m pretty sure I could find plenty of precedent for that. Obviously, that’s a separate issue from whether his behavior in ATMB counts as junior modding or not. I don’t find the evidence presented to date hugely convincing on that front. This is, after all, ATMB. It’s the forum that exists specifically so people can discuss the rules, and how they should or should not be implemented. **Czarcasm** stands out chiefly because he defends the moderation staff with the same sort of stridency that’s generally reserved from attacking the moderation staff. The only thing really noteworthy about the situation is that it turns out having people like that on our side is just as annoying as having people like that on the other side. Otherwise, it’s just business as usual for ATMB. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/116 "2012-10-03T18:49:28Z")
> [@Sister\_Vigilante](#): > > Maybe I’m reading different forums than he is but to me it looks like he’s camped out here in ATMB just to be a jerk to people. He’s not the only one - he is just “a jerk” to a different set of people from the usual gang. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2012, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/117 "2012-10-04T02:48:26Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > This is, after all, ATMB. It’s the forum that exists specifically so people can discuss the rules, and how they should or should not be implemented. I agree. It’s good not just for the OP but also for the other posters reading the responses from the rank and file posters and the mods alike. But I get the impression Czarcasm would like to shut down this forum altogether what with his “you should PM the mods” type responses. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2012, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/118 "2012-10-04T04:25:21Z")
> [@Sister\_Vigilante](#): > > I’ll just throw my 2 cents in: Czarcasm is behaving as a junior mod (in fact I can’t think of a post he’s made lately that wasn’t junior modding - he even did it yesterday) and everyone needs to just shut up about it because it’s not going to change. Maybe I’m reading different forums than he is but to me it looks like he’s camped out here in ATMB just to be a jerk to people. > > I don’t really care because I don’t care what junior modders say or think when they’re junior modding. I read the post, look at the poster, and 99% of the time it’s him. > > Let it go, people. Forget it, Jake; It’s Czarcatown. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/119 "2012-10-04T22:27:23Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > In this specific instance, **Czarcasm** ’s post wasn’t junior modding, because the behavior he was calling out **Bricker** over is not a violation of the rules in the Pit. While in any other forum, coming into a thread just to say, “This topic is stupid,” is against the rules, in the Pit, it’s a time honored institution. The risk of a misfired pitting is one of the things that makes posting to the Pit so interesting, and it’s an aspect of the Pit culture that we encourage specifically to keep the number of bullshit pittings in the forum to a minimum. So, in the specific exchange in question, if **Bricker** was threadshitting, that’s fine. And if **Czarcasm** felt that there was some rhetorical value in calling him out on threadshitting, that’s fine too. Nitpick: **Czarcasm** was not describing **Bricker** ’s response as a threadshit, but rather describing a post by **Rand Rover** as a threadshit, in response to **Bricker** defending **Rand Rover** ’s post. Not that that changes the rationale one iota. > [@](#): > > **Czarcasm** stands out chiefly because he defends the moderation staff with the same sort of stridency that’s generally reserved from attacking the moderation staff. The only thing really noteworthy about the situation is that it turns out having people like that on our side is just as annoying as having people like that on the other side. Otherwise, it’s just business as usual for ATMB. Quoted for emphasis. People are getting their panties in a wad over **Czarcasm** for his defending the mods, and their ire at mods is thus dumped on him, especially since he used to be a mod. Thus any pent up ire from when he was a mod combines with ire over actions by mods and gets stirred up by **Czarcasm** ’s strident attitude, and thus you have a shitstorm of whining. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174/120 "2012-10-05T17:18:43Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > People are getting their panties in a wad over **Czarcasm** for his defending the mods, and their ire at mods is thus dumped on him, especially since he used to be a mod. Thus any pent up ire from when he was a mod combines with ire over actions by mods and gets stirred up by **Czarcasm** ’s strident attitude, and thus you have a shitstorm of whining. (emphasis mine) You’re over thinking it. Speaking for myself (since you tried to), I’m annoyed only because of his “strident attitude” and what, to my reading, is jr. modding. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/czarcasms-junior-modding-in-atmb/636174.md?page=5)