# D & D on the Straight Dope setup thread. (In Middle Earth FA63) **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Tags:** middle-earth-game\ **Created:** [February 26, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276 "2008-02-26T20:17:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 80
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2009, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1581 "2009-04-18T03:04:59Z")
Then again, it was easier to brush Cheetos crumbs off a TSR book than a Mac keyboard. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2009, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1582 "2009-04-18T09:26:44Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Then again, it was easier to brush Cheetos crumbs off a TSR book than a Mac keyboard. And cope with a Coke spill! (shudder) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1583 "2009-04-21T01:43:40Z")
Forgive me for advertising a game that is in no way related to this one, but Chrisk is starting a new game of Haggle [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=514763). I thought some of you might think the game was fun so I figured I would give you a heads up. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1584 "2009-04-24T15:27:42Z")
Hi all, It should be becoming apparent that the pickings are now slim. I am going to speed this up a bit with some narrative if no one objects. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1585 "2009-04-24T15:29:24Z")
Do it. ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1586 "2009-04-24T15:47:45Z")
Go ahead. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1587 "2009-04-24T16:03:46Z")
This. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1588 "2009-04-24T17:46:06Z")
'salright with me. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1589 "2009-04-24T18:13:55Z")
ditto ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1590 "2009-04-24T18:54:08Z")
double ditto ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1591 "2009-04-28T20:10:42Z")
So what the hell’s a Symbol of Pain? Tell me all you know! ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1592 "2009-04-28T20:18:59Z")
The Paladin only Detects strong Evil and for that matter Very Strong Good. Goblin and Orcs are very unlikely to Detect as Evil. A Know Alignment will tell the exact alignment. \*\*Strong Evil \*\*I define as most Undead, Shaman of Morgoth and Sauron, some evil Sorcerers, Necromancers, most Dragons, most Wargs and Werewolves, Evil items, etc. Evil humans, humanoids, trolls, most orcs **are not strong evil**. **Very Strong Good** would include Elves of the Light like Glorfindel and Clerics like Princess Gilraen in the other game. The Friar would not at this point Detect as Very Strong Good but would Detect as Good. Radagast and Tom Bombadil would not detect simply because they can avoid be detected. Most Elves do not detect as Good but all Paladins do. Paladins also can Detect Lies at will (a percentage chance) and this ability should be used in questioning. As to the Symbol of Pain, it is bad juju man. 7th level Cleric or 8th level MU spell. All creatures have wracking pains shooting through their bodies, which causes them to have -2 on dexterity and -4 on attack dice for from 2-20 turns modified by the level of the caster. NO SAVE! Deor will know of this and can relate it in thread. Gilraen does not and nor does Ghân or even Glorfindel. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1593 "2009-04-29T18:26:33Z")
**Glee** corrected me on something I had forgot: You are correct, I misremembered the spell. \*\*You may attempt to dispel more than once. \*\* Gilraen’s type of Clerics (Healers of Estë) have a few abilities that others do not. One is to work with other servants of the Valar to increase the effect of spells. This all ties in to balance their lack of combat ability. With this in mind she can cast her spell with Ghân’s with a little work and boost his chances of success by some undetermined amount. The more she works with him, the better the bonus will be until she can add a small bonus to his spell without casting herself and just singing. (Much like how she helps him heal better.) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1594 "2009-04-29T18:38:28Z")
Gotta love that girl! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1595 "2009-04-30T02:26:21Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Paladins also can Detect Lies at will (a percentage chance) and this ability should be used in questioning. Despite the fact that this is sitting right on my character sheet, I had forgotten about it. :o Could have come in handy during some of those goblin interrogations (although maybe not if I can’t understand the language). Anyway, Hraedsig’s Detect Lie is at 55%. ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1596 "2009-04-30T05:05:10Z")
What would Deor know about the likelihood of a spell surviving the destruction of the stone it was cast upon? Does destroying or damaging the stone stand any chance of ruining the Symbol of Pain? ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1597 "2009-04-30T11:06:40Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Despite the fact that this is sitting right on my character sheet, I had forgotten about it. :o Could have come in handy during some of those goblin interrogations (although maybe not if I can’t understand the language). > > Anyway, Hraedsig’s Detect Lie is at 55%. Presumably this would work, even if you don’t speak the language?! > [@appleciders](#): > > What would Deor know about the likelihood of a spell surviving the destruction of the stone it was cast upon? Does destroying or damaging the stone stand any chance of ruining the Symbol of Pain? Now you’re scaring me (visualises Deor trying to lob the stone at an opponent!)… ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1598 "2009-04-30T13:22:40Z")
> [@appleciders](#): > > What would Deor know about the likelihood of a spell surviving the destruction of the stone it was cast upon? Does destroying or damaging the stone stand any chance of ruining the Symbol of Pain? You’re just not sure and should have a healthy respect for not wanting to mess with the stone slab too much. It sounds like a ‘youngish’ Sauron may have placed the spells himself. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1599 "2009-04-30T15:10:31Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Despite the fact that this is sitting right on my character sheet, I had forgotten about it. :o Could have come in handy during some of those goblin interrogations (although maybe not if I can’t understand the language). > > Anyway, Hraedsig’s Detect Lie is at 55%. That’s OK, I just noticed that Gilraen’s [Rod of Kanotir](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10472642&postcount=1158) allows her to know lies. :smack: I forgot about that. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276/1600 "2009-04-30T15:14:10Z")
If you drop that slab on someone’s foot, it won’t need a Symbol of Pain inscribed on it. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276.md?page=79) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276.md?page=81)