# DACA/Dreamer hypothetical (would you take a "fugitive" Dreamer into your home?) **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 5, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daca-dreamer-hypothetical-would-you-take-a-fugitive-dreamer-into-your-home/795595 "2017-09-05T22:42:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daca-dreamer-hypothetical-would-you-take-a-fugitive-dreamer-into-your-home/795595/141 "2018-01-30T20:52:30Z")
> [@B-Rad](#): > > Urban, I think I see the disconnect here. You’re proposing a situation which trusts the government to act fairly with these people. Those in opposition are on the continuum of [The government is strongly inclined toward deportation anyway] \<—\> [The USA has become 1938 Germany]. For my part, I’d find advising my government I was harboring a DREAMer to be unwise. This sort of paranoia is only hysteria until heaps of DREAMer corpses start turning up. > > I am compelled to point out, there are only about 800,000 individuals with DREAMer status. This is not a particularly huge number, and yet President Trump has given them extraordinary power to further divide this nation and stir up controversy. It’s a distraction. If you’re driving a school bus full of children and you come around a corner to find 10 pregnant women crossing the road, and you have the choice to either bowl the women over or drive the bus off a cliff–which do you pick? We can ignore the deportations and let ourselves believe they are really just going back to their loving homeland of Mexico, Guatemala, India, and wherever else. Or we can at least entertain the possibility that anyone monstrous enough to target a tiny segment of his own population for harsh punishment in the face of no crime is capable of firing up the ovens himself. You are really stuck on the “Trump is Hitler and this is Nazi Germany” stuff arent you? No, the Dreamers are not the same as the jews, dont you get that? So there is no compromise other than your idea of let them all stay? Is there any hope for compromise? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daca-dreamer-hypothetical-would-you-take-a-fugitive-dreamer-into-your-home/795595/142 "2018-01-31T03:22:14Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > You are really stuck on the “Trump is Hitler and this is Nazi Germany” stuff arent you? No, the Dreamers are not the same as the jews, dont you get that? > > So there is no compromise other than your idea of let them all stay? > > Is there any hope for compromise? Likewise you seem to be stuck on the idea that “Dreamers are criminals” idea. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daca-dreamer-hypothetical-would-you-take-a-fugitive-dreamer-into-your-home/795595/143 "2018-01-31T04:17:38Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Likewise you seem to be stuck on the idea that “Dreamers are criminals” idea. No, I was offering a compromise to help out the good ones. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daca-dreamer-hypothetical-would-you-take-a-fugitive-dreamer-into-your-home/795595/144 "2018-01-31T04:37:26Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > No, I was offering a compromise to help out the good ones. You seem to think you personally get to decide who is good and who is not in a situation that is far from black and white. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daca-dreamer-hypothetical-would-you-take-a-fugitive-dreamer-into-your-home/795595/145 "2018-01-31T14:45:55Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > You are really stuck on the “Trump is Hitler and this is Nazi Germany” stuff arent you? No, the Dreamers are not the same as the jews, dont you get that? It is an absolutely preposterous equivalency and I try very hard every day to not to give credit to the idea. This struggle, and most of our discussion really, is its own thread. But to try & get back on the rails with the OP, the hypothetical boils down to: If They start rounding up DREAMers and deporting them, would I actively block those efforts. My answer is an unequivocal “Yes” because in that case _I believe_ the situation has grown so close to that absolutely preposterous equivalency as to be indistinguishable. I realize that even now with the events in Longbeach, WA it’s probably unlikely death camps are involved. But my conscience can’t afford to risk believing that. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daca-dreamer-hypothetical-would-you-take-a-fugitive-dreamer-into-your-home/795595/146 "2018-01-31T14:51:03Z")
No. I’d probably lose my law license and be in a position where I couldn’t help anyone very much again. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daca-dreamer-hypothetical-would-you-take-a-fugitive-dreamer-into-your-home/795595/147 "2018-01-31T15:02:58Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > No, I was offering a compromise to help out the good ones. What if we offer a work permit to those who: [ul] [li]are under 31 years of age as of June 15, 2012;[/li][li]came to the U.S. while under the age of 16;[/li][li]have continuously resided in the U.S. from June 15, 2007 to the present. (For purposes of calculating this five year period, brief and innocent absences from the United States for humanitarian reasons will not be included);[/li][li]entered the U.S. without inspection or fell out of lawful visa status before June 15, 2012;[/li][li]were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making the request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS;[/li][li]are currently in school, have graduated from high school, have obtained a GED, or have been honorably discharged from the Coast Guard or armed forces;[/li][li]have not been convicted of a felony offense, a significant misdemeanor, or more than three misdemeanors of any kind; and[/li][li]do not pose a threat to national security or public safety.[/li][/ul] Is that a reasonable compromise? ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daca-dreamer-hypothetical-would-you-take-a-fugitive-dreamer-into-your-home/795595/148 "2018-01-31T15:22:46Z")
If they did all the chores and allowed me to call them “Consuela”, sure. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daca-dreamer-hypothetical-would-you-take-a-fugitive-dreamer-into-your-home/795595/149 "2018-01-31T17:10:42Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > If they did all the chores and allowed me to call them “Consuela”, sure. If this was supposed to be a joke, it’s a very, very poor attempt at one. And if it wasn’t supposed to be a joke… Either way, warning issued for trolling. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daca-dreamer-hypothetical-would-you-take-a-fugitive-dreamer-into-your-home/795595/150 "2018-01-31T17:24:15Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > If they did all the chores and allowed me to call them “Consuela”, sure. Wow, 31 posts in 15 years, and that’s your contribution? ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daca-dreamer-hypothetical-would-you-take-a-fugitive-dreamer-into-your-home/795595/151 "2018-01-31T17:30:39Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Wow, 31 posts in 15 years, and that’s your contribution? Let’s not sidetrack this thread any further. That goes to all posters. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daca-dreamer-hypothetical-would-you-take-a-fugitive-dreamer-into-your-home/795595/152 "2018-01-31T20:43:46Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > What if we offer a work permit to those who: > > [ul] > [li]are under 31 years of age as of June 15, 2012;[/li][li]came to the U.S. while under the age of 16;[/li][li]have continuously resided in the U.S. from June 15, 2007 to the present. (For purposes of calculating this five year period, brief and innocent absences from the United States for humanitarian reasons will not be included);[/li][li]entered the U.S. without inspection or fell out of lawful visa status before June 15, 2012;[/li][li]were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making the request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS;[/li][li]are currently in school, have graduated from high school, have obtained a GED, or have been honorably discharged from the Coast Guard or armed forces;[/li][li]have not been convicted of a felony offense, a significant misdemeanor, or more than three misdemeanors of any kind; and[/li][li]do not pose a threat to national security or public safety.[/li][/ul] > > Is that a reasonable compromise? Yes. Is that the current law? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daca-dreamer-hypothetical-would-you-take-a-fugitive-dreamer-into-your-home/795595/153 "2018-01-31T21:06:17Z")
It is the bones of the DREAM act, yeah… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daca-dreamer-hypothetical-would-you-take-a-fugitive-dreamer-into-your-home/795595.md?page=7)