Mexico needs us. 80% of their exports go to the USA.
What would a 5% tariff really mean to the USA consumer? Mexican goods are fairly cheap, correct?
So you’re accepting that Mexico won’t pay for it after all.
DACA, when the walls fell.
FEMA on the ocean
The children of Trumpa…the beast at Maralago.
When you start applying punitive tariffs, trade wars are a common result. Yes, most of our exports are to the US but so are most of our imports. You run the risk of losing much of that revenue and the risk of losing jobs in sectors that produce the goods we import.
Trump is a complete loser with no idea how to run a country. He appeals mostly to ignorant racists. They don’t have an idea what life on this planet is all about outside of their very small minds.
Yup. Racist morons.
Just what the hell does Trump and his supporters think they are going to do about the Rio Grande? The idea of this wall only takes 5 minutes of thought before realizing what a completely ridiculous idea it is.
Dharma and jihad at Tunisia.
That’s 4 minutes 53 seconds longer than his attention span.
I think I do and I bet the Mexicans do too. Do you think they’ll want to respond with tit for tat? If we go full blown nuclear trade war with Mexico, they go from losing a few billion dollars out of their economy to losing 15% of their economy while we would lose something like 1%.
But, just so we are clear, you do understand that a tariff imposed on Mexican goods means US citizens are paying for the wall, right?
The flip comments about 5% more for avocado toast make for good internet banter, but the reality is much different. These are Mexico exports to the US in 2015 (last year a summary is available)
(source – What Does Mexico Export to the US? – Inside Mexico)
Taking all foodstuffs out of the above, it still means the US citizens are going to pay an additional $10.72 billion dollars in tariffs. Add the foodstuffs back in, and that number rises to $11.34 billion.
$11,340,000,000. Not from Mexico. From you and me. US taxpayers. So much winning.
You realize that the reason countries implement trade barriers is because there are benefits to protectionism right? If we impose a 10% tariff on Mexican products, the cost of Mexican imports does not rise by 10%. Some of that tariff is offset by a lower price, in fact, depending on what the demand and supply curve looks like for their products, much of that 10% could be borne by Mexico while creating more opportunities for domestic production. Mercantilism wasn’t a thing for centuries because it made absolutely no sense.
OK, so you’re willing to throw the dreamers under the bus for sake of principle?
Yes, that’s how hostage taking usually works. If there is a credible threat to the hostage you either sacrifice the hostage on the “we don’t negotiate with hostage takers” principle or you give the hostage takers what they want in exchange for the hostages.
Do you think Republicans would support that? Lets pick a less ridiculous example. Lets say that Trump says he will back the legalization of marijuana law but he wants to tax recreational marijuana and he wants the tax to pay for the wall.
:rolleyes: I’m pretty sure he would lose support over that.
You really think that broken promises are going to make a difference hen he can just point to the Democrats and say “those obstructionists wouldn’t respect the will of the people and I tried but those Democrats… well you know what they’re like”
There you have it; proof positive that there are benefits to fighting a war in Russia during the winter (hey, nobody would have done it if that weren’t so, amirite?).
What does the Dems opinion of reasonable have to do with anything. The Pubs don’t ever have to bring up the DREAM Act and they certainly don’t have to bring up a clean DREAM Act.
How does my argument rely on the use of swear words? It is a simple fucking fact that McConnell and Ryan don’t ever have to bring up the DREAM Act. And your cite is an opinion piece. I bet there is some conservative opinion piece out there that is insisting that conservatives are holding all the cards so they should play hardball and considering that the House, the Senate, The White House, more than twice as many Governor’s Mansions, more than twice as many Republican State Legislatures as there are Democratic State Legislatures, it is just as plausible as your opinion piece.
Tariffs against Mexico will greatly increase illegal immigration.
If Mexico is hurt, it will drop out of the Southern Border Plan, which is what presently is holding back a flood of Central Americans who previously transited Mexico on their way to illegally entering the USA.
On top of this, the more Mexico is hurt, the more Mexican economic refugees will sneak into the USA.
Buh buh buh TEH WALLL!!!111oneone!1
Frankly, the only way the wall has any value is if they design it so it can be picked up in sections, transported cross-country, and laid down as bridges. Because that’s the actual infrastructure boondoggle we need.
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This seems to be the same type of warped thinking that drives Donald Trump to think that if he lets the ACA health exchanges fail, then Dems will rush come to him begging for a health care bill.
I know very well how protectionism works. Prior to NAFTA we had a protectionist economic policy for decades. If you think it benefits your country’s economy you are quite mistaken. Domestic products that have no competition on price or quality do not benefit the consumer. Quality will decline and prices will rise. That is the reality of protectionism.
Not to mention that protectionism is a two way street, and Mexico would probably put their own tariffs on U.S. products.
Why does everybody keep forgetting that Mexico means 127 million clients, here?
A fairly common mis-apprehension is that protectionism is for the good of the consumer.
Protectionism is good for consumers the way that cattle chutes at processing plants are good for cattle.