# Daddy does daughter, DNA determination damning **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 27, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723 "2004-08-27T02:27:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/1 "2004-08-27T02:27:17Z")
No nasty jokes about citizens of various states here. [This fellow and his daughter got married.](http://www.thestarpress.com/articles/1/025068-4301-004.html) Now the question for Miss Manners: what to do when Father’s Day and our Anniversary get all mixed up together? :smack: _Who’s your Daddy?_ :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/2 "2004-08-27T02:32:10Z")
There’s a pretty big skeeve factor here, but since she’s 18, I am of the reluctant opinion that it’s nobody’s business what consenting adults do with each other, related or not. It’s still pretty creepy. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/3 "2004-08-27T02:36:39Z")
What really bothers me is this. > [@](#): > > Steen has also been charged with a class C misdemeanor for harboring a class III wild animal without a permit. Law enforcement officials found a 5-foot 2-inch alligator in a horse tank behind the residence. > > It is illegal to keep an alligator over five feet long in Indiana, according to conservation officers. > > “We have received several complaints in the past about a alligator in Bryant,” said Jay County Sheriff Todd Penrod. “In the course of the incest investigation we obtained information that Mr. Steen possessed an alligator. We shared it with Department of Natural Resources and they handled it.” > > The alligator has been sent to a wildlife rehabilitation center in southern Indiana. Incest and an alligator!?!? Thank god this monster has been brought to justice. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/4 "2004-08-27T02:38:57Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Incest and an alligator!?!? …next on Lifetime…TV for women… ---
**Author:** ![aaslatten](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@aaslatten](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aaslatten)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/5 "2004-08-27T02:59:50Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > There’s a pretty big skeeve factor here, but since she’s 18, I am of the reluctant opinion that it’s nobody’s business what consenting adults do with each other, related or not. It’s still pretty creepy. Very skeevy, yes, but it brings up an interesting legal question. Since the girl was adopted by her mother’s father, does that mean the biological father is not her father legally anymore? If so, can it still be incest? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/6 "2004-08-27T03:00:30Z")
If I were defending this man, I would certainly be preparing a brief that cites _Lawrence v. Texas_ for the proposition that **Weirddave** enunciates above. ---
**Author:** ![Feit\_C\_Taj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ee59a6/32.png) [@Feit\_C\_Taj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feit_C_Taj)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/7 "2004-08-27T03:04:32Z")
All alliteration allows all-encompassing allegations, although alligators always allay alarm. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/8 "2004-08-27T03:06:31Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > If I were defending this man, I would certainly be preparing a brief that cites _Lawrence v. Texas_ for the proposition that **Weirddave** enunciates above. And yet when others cite Lawrence in support of SSM, you dash back to “let the states decide.” Gotta love your consistency… ---
**Author:** ![Eats\_Crayons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Eats\_Crayons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eats_Crayons)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/9 "2004-08-27T03:11:00Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Incest and an alligator!?!? Thank god this monster has been brought to justice. No, it was incest and “_a_ alligator”. Ya, gotta get the local flavour just right or it loses its effect ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/10 "2004-08-27T03:13:47Z")
Nobody else thinks it’s odd that as long as your alligator is under 5 feet it’s a-okay? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/11 "2004-08-27T03:15:38Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > And yet when others cite Lawrence in support of SSM, you dash back to “let the states decide.” Gotta love your consistency… Actually, I think the point was that _Lawrence v. Texas_ to all appearances permits anything, and **Bricker** wants to see exactly how far the applicability of that decision goes. To be fair, from the outset people have maintained that that decision opened up the door for something like this, and this sounds like it would be a disgusting but interesting test case. ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/12 "2004-08-27T03:46:16Z")
Bizarre! That he had custody of her really raises flags. Although I have to say that I also disagree with anti-incest laws. It just seems really odd to outlaw a specific type of really intimate touching between consenting adults. And just because something could be used in an illegal way doesn’t mean all used of that something should be illegal. It’s a tough call to figure out how willing and accepting she was though. What if they didn’t know? Could they still be fined? My mother was adopted as an infant through a Catholic charity. Her family didn’t know who her biological family were. She went to the same highschool as her brothers. Grew up only blocks from them. As it happens they never met but they did share some friends but there wasn’t really anything to keep something from happening, just luck thank God! Knowing that, I wouldn’t be too surprised if there’s a brother-husband/sister-wife out there who just don’t know it. Heh, straight out of Moll Flanders. I’ve always wondered what real people would do when they found out stuff like that? ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/13 "2004-08-27T03:53:48Z")
What, no pictures? How are we supposed to know whether she’s hot? ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/14 "2004-08-27T03:59:02Z")
> [@furt](#): > > What, no pictures? How are we supposed to know whether she’s hot? I’d rather see the alligator! ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/15 "2004-08-27T04:00:03Z")
> [@](#): > > And yet when others cite Lawrence in support of SSM, you dash back to “let the states decide.” Gotta love your consistency… Like Airman said, it looks more like he’s testing the consistency of the _Lawrence_ ruling. Did you have fun dragging your petty grudge into this thread? ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/16 "2004-08-27T04:06:33Z")
> [@aaslatten](#): > > Very skeevy, yes, but it brings up an interesting legal question. Since the girl was adopted by her mother’s father, does that mean the biological father is not her father legally anymore? If so, can it still be incest? There was a case not too many years ago of a brother and sister who at very early ages had been removed from an abusive family, adopted by different families, and met again as adults. Having no memory of one another, they fell in love, married, and had children. When they discovered that they were in fact biological siblings, all hell broke loose. I wish I could remember the details, but IIRC they were ordered by the court to cease living together or they would be charged with incest, and their kids would be taken away so that said kids would not be living in an incestuous environment. A tragedy on an operatic scale. I’d google for the whole story, but I’m afraid of what would come up were I to type “brother sister incest marriage” into a search engine. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/17 "2004-08-27T04:18:24Z")
I’ve always had a problem with incest being illegal. Child abuse, of course, is naturally abhorrent to me (though the cutoff age of 18 is another story) but incest is, I think, harmless, and though I can see why for many people it’s a bit skeevy, I can’t see why it should be illegal. But then, I can’t see why gay marriage should be illegal. Or consensual bigamy/polygamy. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/18 "2004-08-27T04:48:45Z")
Count me in with the “incest is a victimless crime”. I am not a fan of older man/younger woman relationships (in fact, they seriously skeeve me out big time), but what consenting adults do behind closed doors is their business. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/19 "2004-08-27T06:13:07Z")
So who gave her away at the wedding? ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723/20 "2004-08-27T06:19:06Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > So who gave her away at the wedding? Why, the alligator, of course! 😛 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daddy-does-daughter-dna-determination-damning/261723.md?page=2)