# DADT repeal: National security destroyed, our soldiers raped in their sleep **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 19, 2010, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737 "2010-12-19T18:32:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/21 "2010-12-19T22:19:04Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Did you check that one guy bitching about how the homos are always hitting on him? Maybe he should quit using Evening in Paris as his aftershave? PS: link should offer **Freeper Cootie**! warning. [Sometimes the classics are in order.](http://www.theonion.com/articles/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock,10861/) ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/22 "2010-12-19T22:27:13Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > The FReepers are having an [absolute meltdown](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2644629/posts), complete with Stalinesque purges of the (relatively) sane voices. I understand that Free Republic is absolutely horrible in a totally batshit insane way, but actually clicking on links like this still shocks me. I really can’t figure out how people like that actually exist. If it was supposed to be parody, I would think it’s too ridiculous to be believable. Are they just trying to make conservatives look bad? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/23 "2010-12-19T22:35:26Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > The FReepers are having an [absolute meltdown](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2644629/posts), complete with Stalinesque purges of the (relatively) sane voices. Right wing PC at it’s finest! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/24 "2010-12-19T22:57:20Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Implying the inevitable… > > 1. Those mincing sissies will be such horrible soldiers they won’t even be able to stop Canada from invading. I, for one, _welcome_ our new caribou-riding overlords. I’ve never done one of those before. ---
**Author:** ![Laudenum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Laudenum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laudenum)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/25 "2010-12-19T23:07:15Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > So many people think gays are not discriminating. They will just sexually attack every man they see. How dumb is that. In fairness, you are talking about a situation where pretty much every man will be ripped. I don’t imagine they would have much to discriminate against, if you get me meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/26 "2010-12-19T23:08:17Z")
From my time in service male-on-male rape was not something that people talked about happening like it was akin to walking to the moon on a magical staircase. It happened and probably like rape across all of society it was underreported when it did. I don’t know what the numbers are, it wouldn’t shock me if male-on-male rape is _more likely_ in the military than in society at large (excluding prisons etc of course.) However, I doubt the difference in incidence is dramatic, and while it wasn’t unheard of it was rare. Which is to say, concern about soldiers being raped by other soldiers isn’t something to talk about like it’s “nonsense” it does happen. It is nonsense to use that as an argument _against_ the repeal of DADT, because simply put, homosexual rapists already are in the military in all branches. DADT isn’t going to effect that, and depending on how you view human psychology and sexuality it’s possible it will decrease its incidence. I know that some have argued that celibacy amongst the priesthood is part of the reason we had a troubling incidence of priests raping young boys, that celibacy as an “unnatural” thing slowly wore on the psyche of the priests and lead to behavioral dysfunction. Along that line of thinking it could be argued that gays in the military, who are forcefully closeted, may be under persistent stress that might lead them to be more likely to engage in aberrant behavior versus if they were allowed to serve openly. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/27 "2010-12-19T23:12:33Z")
Something that tends to get forgotten also, is that at 2.3m+ people in service you can replace “homosexual rapists are already in the military” with pretty much anything else, too. The military probably has at least one of every type of deviant criminal. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/28 "2010-12-19T23:12:52Z")
> [@Laudenum](#): > > pretty much every man will be ripped D: Holy unintentional shocking double meanings batman. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/29 "2010-12-19T23:23:32Z")
> [@Laudenum](#): > > In fairness, you are talking about a situation where pretty much every man will be ripped. > > I don’t imagine they would have much to discriminate against, if you get me meaning. In fairness ,gays are looking for love and understanding like anybody else. The idea that they are looking for crude cou,ling with any man they see ,who is in good shape, is absurd. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/30 "2010-12-19T23:43:13Z")
Some are, some aren’t. There are sluts among gays and straights alike. ---
**Author:** ![detop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@detop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/detop)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/31 "2010-12-19T23:49:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Military traditions? “Rum, sodomy and the lash”? Those? Basically, but replace rum with beer. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/32 "2010-12-19T23:52:58Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > Anecdotes aside, we all remember Eric Massa, who seems to have gotten away with some pretty disgusting behavior in the Navy because the victims didn’t want the hassle of making a complaint against a higher ranking officer. > > I don’t think that lifting the ban will affect this very much, but I also don’t think that making overly broad statements about what gay and straight people will do is helpful. Great, so we’re… all in agreement, then? ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/33 "2010-12-19T23:58:22Z")
My favorite was this part: > [@](#): > > The armies of other nations have allowed gays to serve openly in the military. The reason they could afford to do this is simple: they could allow homosexuals to serve in their military because we didn’t allow them to serve in ours. > They knew they could count on the strength, might, power, and cohesion of the U.S. military to intervene whenever and wherever necessary to pull their fannies out of the fire and squash the forces of tyranny wherever they raised their ugly heads around the world. > Those days are now gone. We will no longer be able to bail out these other emasculated armies because ours will now be feminized and neutered beyond repair, and there is no one left to bail us out. Damn straight! Everybody knows homos can’t fight. I mean I saw 300, [the Spartans were uber-masculine and would never put up with any kind of faggotry messing up their army!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece) One of those other nations that allows teh gays to serve openly in their military is [Israel](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel#Military_service), everybody knows their army is a bunch of pansies that relies on the US military intervening on their behalf. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/34 "2010-12-20T00:47:36Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Implying the inevitable… > > 1. Those mincing sissies will be such horrible soldiers they won’t even be able to stop Canada from invading. This time we’ll try not to burn the White House, eh? > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Would a Canadian takeover mean we’ll finally get UHC? 😛 Yup. Take it like a man. > [@alphaboi867](#): > > And civil marriage equality. And gay weddings on military bases. It’s unfortunately it’s the straight serial killer/rapists in command of the bases that we worry about these days. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What, this wouldn’t scare Canadians?! > > ["Squad . . . Camp it **up!"**](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_iH1GhM2j8) > > It scares **me!** 😉 Perhaps you’ve never seen [the RCMP prancing about](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAOeGLiTvBk) > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > And you know those Canuckistani bastards are just going to **force** legal pot down our throats . . . :mad: Maybe. It depends on who wins the election. If it’s [these guys, look out](http://www.marijuanaparty.ca/index.en.php3). If it’s [these guys, it’ll probably be too much work](http://www.worklessparty.org/). > [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > I, for one, _welcome_ our new caribou-riding overlords. > > I’ve never done one of those before. Thanks. Have you ever considered a career in collaborating? ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/35 "2010-12-20T01:06:38Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Yes: the poor, incredibly fit killer Marine will just lie there while somebody molests him. :rolleyes: Not to get all pissy, but I find your implication that strong people can’t be raped (and, as logically follows, people who are raped are therefore weak) to be an unfortunate one. There are ways of incapacitating people of all strengths and sizes and sexual assault is not limited to people of specific body types. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/36 "2010-12-20T01:07:58Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Seems to me that Bryan Fischer has done a fair amount of visualizing the terrible ordeal of these naked, virile young men being molested in the showers and in their bunks…over and over and over again… He apparently believes we’re on the eve of destruction. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/37 "2010-12-20T01:20:57Z")
Well, the eastern world is exploding. Violence flaring, and so on… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/38 "2010-12-20T01:23:40Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > The FReepers are having an [absolute meltdown](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2644629/posts), complete with Stalinesque purges of the (relatively) sane voices. > [@](#): > > In fact, the homosexual agenda is a full frontal attack on OUR God-given, constitutionally protected rights to free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association, Life, Family, Marriage, Pursuit of Happiness, etc. Heh-heh . . . He said “full frontal” . . . 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/39 "2010-12-20T01:29:14Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > …Perhaps you’ve never seen [the RCMP prancing about](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAOeGLiTvBk).. So they mount their horse, and get their man? OK. good to have that cleared up. And this “poutine” stuff, its not _necessarily_ gay? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/40 "2010-12-20T01:49:58Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Would a Canadian takeover mean we’ll finally get UHC? 😛 Unfortunately, you’ll have to wait your turn behind (am I allowed to use that word?) [Turks and Caisos](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_and_Caicos_Islands#Proposed_union_with_Canada). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737.md?page=3)