# DADT repeal: National security destroyed, our soldiers raped in their sleep **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 19, 2010, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737 "2010-12-19T18:32:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/81 "2010-12-21T03:56:14Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Unfortunately, you’ll have to wait your turn behind (am I allowed to use that word?) [Turks and Caisos](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_and_Caicos_Islands#Proposed_union_with_Canada). Capital: Cockburn Town. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/82 "2010-12-21T06:19:11Z")
Yes, Canada should acquire the Turks and Caicos, as our Hawaii. Then acquire the entire U.S., to get _your_ Hawaii. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/83 "2010-12-21T13:47:03Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > :rolleyes: Yes, that’s what he’s saying. > > You first wrote, > > which is a statement you can’t apply to \*every \*gay man, and is no different than saying, “Well straight men are looking for love and understanding like anybody else. The idea that they are looking for crude coupling with any woman they see, who is in good shape, is absurd.” > > As \*\*Argent \*\*said, some are, some aren’t, and that shouldn’t mean anything regarding DADT. Gay, straight, men are still men. The behavior of gay men is, on average, probably a lot more . . . promiscuous than that of lesbians. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/84 "2010-12-21T14:32:36Z")
The way the tighty righties are so scared by gays, it makes me wonder if a military composed entirely of gays would be more intimidating than one composed entirely of straights. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/85 "2010-12-21T15:04:33Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > The way the tighty righties are so scared by gays, it makes me wonder if a military composed entirely of gays would be more intimidating than one composed entirely of straights. Only to the _Reactionary_ Right-wing. Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/86 "2010-12-21T15:26:11Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > The way the tighty righties are so scared by gays It looks to me like a classic case of projection – the ones (if any) who aren’t reacting to repressed homosexual cravings are afraid of other men treating them the way they treat women. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/87 "2010-12-21T15:38:33Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > :rolleyes: Yes, that’s what he’s saying. > > You first wrote, > > which is a statement you can’t apply to \*every \*gay man, and is no different than saying, “Well straight men are looking for love and understanding like anybody else. The idea that they are looking for crude coupling with any woman they see, who is in good shape, is absurd.” > > As \*\*Argent \*\*said, some are, some aren’t, and that shouldn’t mean anything regarding DADT. Yes indeed ,good looking men ,in good shape can not walk the streets because of the well known gay rape problem. As usual, when you say all or none ,you are making a false statement. I would suggest gays raping soldiers will not be a problem. However soldiers raping female soldiers has had some coverage. The Gay rape meme is just a way to pretend letting gays serve their country will result in horrible rapes of poor defenseless normal soldiers from iowa. More likely, bigotted anti gay soldiers will kill a few of them with huge headlines and Fox trumpeting the evil we unleashed, while blaming the gays for wanting to serve their country.and liberals fort rying to eliminate bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![GiantRat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@GiantRat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GiantRat)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/88 "2010-12-22T15:15:22Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > He apparently believes we’re on the eve of destruction. I think I just laughed my ass off… seriously, where’s my ass? Oh shit, that gay guy took it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GiantRat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@GiantRat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GiantRat)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/89 "2010-12-22T15:19:48Z")
> [@Tranquilis](#): > > The vast majority are like me: Hetero. A minority, though likely a somewhat larger minority than you’d find in the population at large, are homosexual. The military is a meritocracy, and that always appeals to motivated minorities. Minorities are a majority? Ummm… that just doesn’t make sense. If you’re referring (as I presume you are) to a disproportionality vs. the civvie world, granted. That’s been the case for a long time. Do you define “minority” racially, in terms of sexuality, in terms of gender, in terms of religious belief, in terms of body weight, in terms of hair color, in terms of number of licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop? We’re all in the majority - we’re all humans. Wait, we’re in the minority - there are more insects than there are humans. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/90 "2010-12-22T15:32:02Z")
It makes perfect sense. Read the post again- he’s referring to disproportionality versus the civvie world, as you put it. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/91 "2010-12-22T15:43:53Z")
> [@GiantRat](#): > > Minorities are a majority? Ummm… that just doesn’t make sense. If you’re referring (as I presume you are) to a disproportionality vs. the civvie world, granted. That’s been the case for a long time. > > Do you define “minority” racially, in terms of sexuality, in terms of gender, in terms of religious belief, in terms of body weight, in terms of hair color, in terms of number of licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop? > > We’re all in the majority - we’re all humans. > > Wait, we’re in the minority - there are more insects than there are humans. Call me confused. Did your brain spring a leak?. In the first sentence, you show a clear grasp of my point. Then all the comprehension seems to drain out of your head. Slap a clamp on that leak, then reread what I posted. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/92 "2010-12-23T03:06:18Z")
I think he read it like I did for a second: That a majority are like you in being hetero and a minority. Took me a second try at least to parse it correctly. Hmmm, I think I just I just did the exact thing that confused me. Started after the colon with a capital letter beginning a sentence fragment, which made it seem like the period doesn’t end the scope of things listed after the colon. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/93 "2010-12-23T03:41:11Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Fischer’s website bio] [Bryan](http://action.afa.net/detail.aspx?id=2147486648)has been married to his bride, Debbie, for 32 years, [/QUOTE] Note specific need to mention that he married his bride. Most of us kind of take that as read. Maybe Bryan thought that without the clarification people would wonder if he married the best man. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/94 "2010-12-23T04:26:45Z")
And since Bryan Fischer is a gift that keeps giving when it comes to outrageous statements, I’ll just point out here that he’s now claiming that Barack Obama is planning on [giving America back to the Native Americans](http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/obama-wants-to-give-america-back-to-indians/): > [@](#): > > President Obama likes the “U.N. Declaration on Rights of Indigenous Peoples.” He says it can “help reaffirm the principles that should guide our future.” > The State Department added helpfully that although the declaration is not legally binding, it “carries considerable moral and political force and complements the president’s ongoing efforts to address historical inequities faced by indigenous communities in the United States.” > This declaration – which carries”considerable moral and political force,” don’t forget – contains this little gem of a paragraph, in Article 26: > > > [@](#): > > > > “Indigenous peoples have the right to the lands, territories and resources which they have traditionally owned, occupied or otherwise used or acquired,” and nations “shall give legal recognition and protection to these lands, territories and resources.” > > In other words, President Obama wants to give the entire land mass of the United States of America back to the Indians. He wants Indian tribes to be our new overlords. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/95 "2010-12-23T05:31:19Z")
The Cherokee. No question, really. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/96 "2010-12-23T06:38:07Z")
Oh please. Call him a Muslim Kenyan if you must, but don’t call him a Redskins fan… ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/97 "2010-12-23T06:46:53Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Oh please. Call him a Muslim Kenyan if you must, but don’t call him a Redskins fan… Nah, Blackhawks. Not like it’s some sort of grand mystery. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/98 "2010-12-23T08:08:38Z")
Sleep rape and other molestations becoming such a problem and all, I wouldn’t blame a soldier for wanting to learn self defense. Maybe even carrying a weapon if it got really bad. And nobody’s even willing to address the real problem: now that every butch dykes can and surely will join the army, how long before a million heavily armed nuclear warhead toting lesbians stage a coup and declare Rosie O’Donnell Queen of America? Possibly with Chaz Bono as king just to make Cher Queen Mother. I give it til maybe March. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/99 "2010-12-23T11:44:26Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Note specific need to mention that he married his bride. Most of us kind of take that as read. Maybe Bryan thought that without the clarification people would wonder if he married the best man. How long does he intend to wait before calling her his wife? Have they not consumated the marriage yet? Would that be a clear sign of a walk-in closet? ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2010, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737/100 "2010-12-24T07:34:55Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > The way the tighty righties are so scared by gays, it makes me wonder if a military composed entirely of gays would be more intimidating than one composed entirely of straights. Well, since you asked, I give you **Eddie Izzard.** [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/m_jmFZe52I8/hqdefault.jpg "Eddie Izzard The element of surprise") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_jmFZe52I8) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dadt-repeal-national-security-destroyed-our-soldiers-raped-in-their-sleep/564737.md?page=6)