# Dallas cop kills innocent man **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 10, 2018, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119 "2018-09-10T19:32:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/562 "2019-10-06T04:44:56Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > That’s horrible. I watched his testimony. He was just a kid. At least to someone as old as me. I remember his wore some sort of t-shirt with a cartoon on it when he was on the witness stand… He had probably never been in a court room before. But the police he testified against are on the case, so no worries. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/563 "2019-10-06T04:52:57Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > None of the neighbors witnessed the shooting. Brown’s death may have been intended as a warning to neighbors who witness things. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/564 "2019-10-06T04:56:10Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Brown’s death may have been intended as a warning to neighbors who witness things. Or… orrrrrr, it may have been a coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/565 "2019-10-06T10:37:02Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Or… orrrrrr, it may have been a coincidence. Yeah, just a coincidence that a key witness who helped put a murderous cop in prison gets shot after trial. And the police investigating had no leads and no idea what could have motivated someone to kill the guy who harbored being a cop to justice, but I’m sure they will work tirelessly to look into everyone with as motive. Except, of course, for revenge minded cops because we all know there is no way that could be the motive here, it’s just a coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/566 "2019-10-06T11:21:24Z")
The fact that he was shot in the mouth was probably a coincidence too. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/567 "2019-10-06T11:24:34Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > What I’m taking away from this is: > > 1. No one doubts Guyger was genuinely mistaken about the circumstances which led to the shooting. > > 2. She was convicted basically of being “trigger happy”- resorting to deadly force far too quickly. > > 3. That Guyger is genuinely sorry for her actions. > > Does this sum it up accurately? No. The opposite. 1. Many do doubt she was mistaken. 2. Wrong. 3. Unlikely. I saw the video of her crying in court. Didn’t pass the smell test. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/568 "2019-10-06T11:49:06Z")
Time to disarm the Dallas police force. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/569 "2019-10-06T12:10:42Z")
I honestly don’t want to believe that a member of law enforcement had a hand in the assassination of a witness to a murder trial. That idea just sounds too crazy. If vengeance was a motive, this murder would do nothing to help Guyger. What a horrible mess. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/570 "2019-10-06T13:16:31Z")
We’re living in fucked up times, y’all. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/571 "2019-10-06T13:27:20Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > But the police he testified against are on the case, so no worries. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Brown’s death may have been intended as a warning to neighbors who witness things. > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Or… orrrrrr, it may have been a coincidence. > [@Emiliana](#): > > The fact that he was shot in the mouth was probably a coincidence too. > [@orcenio](#): > > I honestly don’t want to believe that a member of law enforcement had a hand in the assassination of a witness to a murder trial. That idea just sounds too crazy. If vengeance was a motive, this murder would do nothing to help Guyger. What a horrible mess. I can see vengeful cops murdering a witness in many places, but Dallas doesn’t strike me as one. OTOH, I don’t really know anything about the Dallas P.D. Maybe they did croak Joshua Brown. Or… Maybe it was a gang of vengeful rednecks? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/572 "2019-10-06T13:38:30Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Or… orrrrrr, it may have been a coincidence. Yeah, I agree. Just a coincidence. If it was meant as a warning, why not go after the jury members who actually convicted her and passed sentence? Since we’re in MPSIMS, I’ll stop here. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/573 "2019-10-06T13:42:14Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > I honestly don’t want to believe that a member of law enforcement had a hand in the assassination of a witness to a murder trial. That idea just sounds too crazy. If vengeance was a motive, this murder would do nothing to help Guyger. What a horrible mess. Vengeance never helps the one originally inured. It’s just about hurting those who caused the harm. I had doubts as to Guyger’s motives. The story just didn’t make any sense. You walked to your front door, found it ajar, opened it, saw a stranger sitting on a couch eating ice cream, and were afraid for your life? While standing outside the door? Have you ever opened the wrong door by mistake? I have. My first thought, when everything looked wrong, wasn’t “I must KILL”, it was, “oh shit, I made a mistake”. Have you ever had a stranger bang on your door because they thought it was theirs? I have. They didn’t try to kill me, either. They saw me and thought, “oh shit, I made a mistake”. I just can’t get into the head of someone who opens the wrong door, everything looks wrong, so she decides she must kill the person who was SITTING DOWN EATING ICE CREAM. I mean, it’s hard to imagine a less threatening thing a person could be doing. So I’ve always wondered whether she went there on purpose with the intent of killing him, thinking that as a cop she could get away with it. Maybe he made a lot of noise on her ceiling or something. Someone seeking out and murdering the star witness against her doesn’t make me feel any better about the local police culture. I mean, he’s young, how many enemies could he have? Other than the local police, that is. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/574 "2019-10-06T13:43:50Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Yeah, I agree. Just a coincidence. If it was meant as a warning, why not go after the jury members who actually convicted her and passed sentence? Since we’re in MPSIMS, I’ll stop here. Because nobody chooses to be on a jury. People choose whether or not to testify. Murdering the jury members doesn’t really scare people away the same way murdering the star witness does. I’d be delighted to be wrong, but this looks really really really bad to me. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/575 "2019-10-06T13:51:21Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > So I’ve always wondered whether she went there on purpose with the intent of killing him, thinking that as a cop she could get away with it. Maybe he made a lot of noise on her ceiling or something. If she just wanted to murder her upstairs neighbor, I kind of feel like there were better ways to go about it and get away with it. I mean, based on what appears to be the prevailing theory shared by most commenters on the dope, she could have gone with a drive-by shooting and just counted on her buddies not to investigate, right? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/576 "2019-10-06T14:53:31Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Or… orrrrrr, it may have been a coincidence. Yes, I acknowledged that. But Brown was killed by unidentified people. And we know of a group of people who have a reason to be angry at Brown and who have shown they do kill people. Those people are certainly legitimate suspects. If Brown had testified against a mafia member who was then convicted and had been killed by an unknown person a week later, would anyone be claiming the mafia wasn’t a likely suspect? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/577 "2019-10-06T15:04:28Z")
Do members of the Dallas police actually believe that Amber Guyger’s conviction was somehow unjust, and therefore felt it necessary to go after the star witness? Perhaps, and you can never make sense of a warped mind, but I suspect that members of the Dallas police recognize, even if they wouldn’t say so publicly, that Amber Guyger’s fate is entirely her fault. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/578 "2019-10-06T15:34:06Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Do members of the Dallas police actually believe that Amber Guyger’s conviction was somehow unjust, and therefore felt it necessary to go after the star witness? Perhaps, and you can never make sense of a warped mind, but I suspect that members of the Dallas police recognize, even if they wouldn’t say so publicly, that Amber Guyger’s fate is entirely her fault. There is at least one [Texas Ranger](https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/us/botham-jean-amber-guyger-murder-trial/index.html) who doesn’t think she should have been arrested: > [@CNN.com](#): > > A Texas Ranger who investigated the Botham Jean shooting said Wednesday that the ex-Dallas police officer who killed Jean in his own apartment was reasonable to think he was a burglar. > In fact, Sgt. David Armstrong said, the investigation leads him to believe authorities had no probable cause to arrest Amber Guyger for any crime. > “I don’t believe that (the shooting) was reckless or criminally negligent based on the totality of the investigation and the circumstances and facts,” Armstrong said. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/579 "2019-10-06T15:49:55Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > If she just wanted to murder her upstairs neighbor, I kind of feel like there were better ways to go about it and get away with it. > > I mean, based on what appears to be the prevailing theory shared by most commenters on the dope, she could have gone with a drive-by shooting and just counted on her buddies not to investigate, right? Maybe she was drunk, and it was a spur of the moment thing. Maybe she opened the door, recognized her annoying neighbor, and thought, “Ha! now I can get the bastard”. I agree, those don’t sound very probable. But they sound less improbable to me that the story she told, where she noticed “her” door wasn’t locked, opened it anyway, was standing outside her door, seeing a stranger eating ice cream on (an unfamiliar) couch, and suddenly feeling in fear for her life. I mean, say what? I mean, maybe she’s schizophrenic, and a voice told her the was the devil. Honestly, that ALSO sounds less improbable than what she claimed happened. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/580 "2019-10-06T15:59:48Z")
People will twist anything around to fit in with their pet conspiracy theory. I believe Occam’s Razor fits here. The simplest theory that fits the facts is usually the most correct one. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/581 "2019-10-06T16:06:44Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > People will twist anything around to fit in with their pet conspiracy theory. I believe Occam’s Razor fits here. The simplest theory that fits the facts is usually the most correct one. What’s the simplest theory, in your opinion? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119.md?page=30)