# Dallas cop kills innocent man **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 10, 2018, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119 "2018-09-10T19:32:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/622 "2019-10-07T15:45:48Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > We’re living in fucked up times, y’all. Actually, I think we’re living in much better times than we used to. Cases of police murdering and torturing people come under much more scrutiny, often have much better evidence, and convictions seem to be more common. It’s far from good, as cases like Eric Garner show, but I’d say it’s much better than it was historically. I mean, look at a 1964 case like: [Murders of Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Chaney,_Goodman,_and_Schwerner) Or the treatment of women seeking the vote in 1917 > **[‘Night of terror’: The suffragists who were beaten and tortured for seeking...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/10/night-of-terror-the-suffragists-who-were-beaten-and-tortured-for-seeking-the-vote/)** > > A century ago, 33 members of the National Woman's Party were arrested outside the White House and sent to the Occoquan Workhouse, where they were abused by the guards. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/623 "2019-10-07T15:59:06Z")
> [@bump](#): > > That’s what I was going to post; he’s not a stranger to the sort of activities that get people shot. > > It’s a lot more likely IMO that someone/something from his past caught up with him, potentially with help from the media exposure due to the trial, than it is that DPD is somehow putting out hits on this guy for testifying. It’s not like his testimony, while important, was the thing that cracked the case open or anything. I agree with this. This seems to me to be the most reasonable explanation, despite what I said previously about his shooting being unconnected to his testimony.\* \*Yeah, yeah. I am large. I contain multitudes. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/624 "2019-10-07T16:11:22Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You have no grounds to claim that there is an “obvious suspect” at this juncture. Amazingly, I responded to your post before you posted it: > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > If Brown had testified against a mafia member who was then convicted and had been killed by an unknown person a week later, would anyone be claiming the mafia wasn’t a likely suspect? The Dallas PD are obvious suspects. You can choose to deny this. But it doesn’t make it any less true. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/625 "2019-10-07T16:15:48Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s just a matter of time before they catch the people responsible for Brown’s murder. Unless the people who are supposed to be catching the murderer are the ones who are responsible for Brown’s murder. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/626 "2019-10-07T16:18:16Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Re: **Little Nemo** - What you seem to be missing is that you don’t have to actually argue for any theory of the crime. You could just admit that you don’t have sufficient reason to settle on anyone, that it certainly is concerning that DPD may have a motive, and that we should see how the investigation plays out. > > As I said in 599, this is not the time to whip out the Razor. Other people brought the topic up. Is there some reason I’m not supposed to respond? ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/627 "2019-10-07T16:18:32Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > If Brown had testified against a mafia member who was then convicted and had been killed by an unknown person a week later, would anyone be claiming the mafia wasn’t a likely suspect? > > The Dallas PD are obvious suspects. You can choose to deny this. But it doesn’t make it any less true. The mafia is a criminal organization known to use violence as an enforcement tactic. Is that what you think of the Dallas PD? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/628 "2019-10-07T16:26:12Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The Dallas PD are obvious suspects. You can choose to deny this. But it doesn’t make it any less true. You seriously think the Dallas PD bumped off a witness because he was a witness? :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/629 "2019-10-07T16:28:28Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Well said. > > It’s just a matter of time before they catch the people responsible for Brown’s murder. Quick Google shows that Dallas homicide clearance rate, while good, is still only 80%. And your own stated that the shooter form the previous event has not been caught. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/630 "2019-10-07T16:36:56Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > You seriously think the Dallas PD bumped off a witness because he was a witness? :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: Next they will be going after that witness that really caused the guilty verdict. That Guyer person. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/631 "2019-10-07T19:05:39Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > This is arguments, go to room 12 for abuse. Actually arguments is room 4, this room is the free-for-all. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/632 "2019-10-07T19:31:29Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > In what universe is 10 years in prison “a slap on the wrist”? For murder? Texas, land of the rampant death penalty. My assumption was that he was murdered because of his testimony, but it was some random loon “punishing” him for daring to testify against a police officer. Seems more likely than the police themselves doing it. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/633 "2019-10-08T16:45:13Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > For murder? Texas, land of the rampant death penalty. Texas has the death penalty only for the crime of Capital Murder, which is very strictly defined, and does not include this crime. Ten years is not a slap on the wrist. It’s ten fucking years. It’s also precisely aligned with sentencing guidelines and going beyond a number the defense was willing to accept sets up a likely appeal. Again, remember that Texas defines “murder” very widely, and it includes crimes that in many other jurisdictions would be charged as, or plead down to, lesser crimes. I’m not sure what would be gained by sending her to prison for fifteen or twenty years. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/634 "2019-10-08T17:58:56Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I’m not sure what would be gained by sending her to prison for fifteen or twenty years. What is gained by sending a guy to prison for 45 years for shooting a dog? I happen to thing 15 (-20) years would have been right, but I can live with 10. If I were related to the victim, I would not be, though. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/635 "2019-10-08T18:41:57Z")
Apparently the shooting isn’t related to last years strip club incident. I’m very familiar with Alexandria. My dad grew up thirty miles from there. I still have extended family in that region. > **[Second of three suspects arrested in Joshua Brown shooting investigation ](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2019/10/08/dallas-police-name-three-suspects-joshua-brown-murder-investigation/)** > > This is a developing story and will be updated.Dallas police officials on Tuesday said at a news conference at Dallas Police headquarters that they... > [@](#): > > Dallas police officials on Tuesday said at a news conference at Dallas Police headquarters that they have three suspects in connection with the shooting death of Joshua Brown. > > All three suspects came from Alexandria, La., to purchase drugs from Brown, a police spokesman said. One suspect is in custody, and warrants have been issued for two other suspects. > Assistant chief Avery Moore identified the suspects as Thaddeous Charles Green, Jacquerious Mitchell, and Michael Diaz Mitchell. Jacquerious Mitchell is in custody at Parkland hospital, Moore said. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/636 "2019-10-08T18:42:45Z")
So has this piece of info been introduced into this thread yet? [Joshua Brown was going to testify in a civil trial](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amber-guyger-trial-slain-witness-joshua-brown-would-have-testified-botham-jean-civil-case-against-dallas-police/) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/637 "2019-10-08T18:54:22Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > You seriously think the Dallas PD bumped off a witness because he was a witness? :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: No, I seriously think the Dallas PD should be viewed as a reasonable suspect. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/638 "2019-10-08T19:06:54Z")
FYI, the Dallas Morning News is reporting that the DPD has 3 suspects named, one in custody for Brown’s murder in connection with some kind of drug deal gone bad. > **[Second of three suspects arrested in Joshua Brown shooting investigation ](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2019/10/08/dallas-police-name-three-suspects-joshua-brown-murder-investigation/)** > > This is a developing story and will be updated.Dallas police officials on Tuesday said at a news conference at Dallas Police headquarters that they... ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/639 "2019-10-08T19:47:43Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Ten years is not a slap on the wrist. It’s ten fucking years. Ten years for breaking into someone’s house and murdering them is a slap on the wrist. Straight up murdering someone with no provocation or actual extenuating circumstances (no, I don’t count 'I broke into his house because I thought it was mine) is supposedly one of the worst things crimes you can commit, but the message here is that it’s not all that bad. For comparison, selling pot while there’s an old .22 rifle in the same house has a mandatory 5 year minimum federal sentence (on top of the drug charges) and firing the gun (but not hitting anyone) has a 10 year minimum federal sentence. > [@](#): > > I’m not sure what would be gained by sending her to prison for fifteen or twenty years. A murderer would be properly punished instead of getting a slap on the wrist, which would serve as a deterrent to other murderers contemplating killing someone, would keep her off the streets and unable to murder other people, and would send a message that we care enough about black people being straight up murdered in their own homes by agents of the state that we consider it significantly worse than selling weed. If you’re not going to send someone to prison for ‘15 or 20 years’ for cold-blooded murder, what are you going to give prison sentences for. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/640 "2019-10-08T20:28:15Z")
> [@bump](#): > > FYI, the Dallas Morning News is reporting that the DPD has 3 suspects named, one in custody for Brown’s murder in connection with some kind of drug deal gone bad. > > [Second of three suspects arrested in Joshua Brown shooting investigation ](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2019/10/08/dallas-police-name-three-suspects-joshua-brown-murder-investigation/) A drug deal. Imagine my surprise. I wonder if it will have any effect on the conspiracy theories. Let’s see, if convicted, how long a sentence they get. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119/641 "2019-10-08T20:41:39Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Ten years for breaking into someone’s house and murdering them is a slap on the wrist. Straight up murdering someone with no provocation or actual extenuating circumstances (no, I don’t count 'I broke into his house because I thought it was mine) is supposedly one of the worst things crimes you can commit, but the message here is that it’s not all that bad. For comparison, selling pot while there’s an old .22 rifle in the same house has a mandatory 5 year minimum federal sentence (on top of the drug charges) and firing the gun (but not hitting anyone) has a 10 year minimum federal sentence. > > A murderer would be properly punished instead of getting a slap on the wrist, which would serve as a deterrent to other murderers contemplating killing someone, would keep her off the streets and unable to murder other people, and would send a message that we care enough about black people being straight up murdered in their own homes by agents of the state that we consider it significantly worse than selling weed. If you’re not going to send someone to prison for ‘15 or 20 years’ for cold-blooded murder, what are you going to give prison sentences for. Not that I agree that 10 years is the right sentence, but I wish we could discuss sentences not in the context of “It’s not fair because someone with a drug conviction is already getting a long sentence.” The answer to that is not “So anyone else should get longer sentences.” The answer is “Those guys shouldn’t be getting those sentences in the first place.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dallas-cop-kills-innocent-man/821119.md?page=33)