# DalovinDJ: You're not the arbiter of hip or cool... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 26, 2001, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894 "2001-09-26T12:14:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/1 "2001-09-26T12:14:03Z")
…and even if you are, as a grown-up, I don’t really care. I have no real beef with you, but I’m getting extremely tired of your ongoing campaign to define “hipness” as where you stand ([here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=89487), for one example) A) I don’t care if I fit your sad little definition of “hip” (I don’t, btw) B) Frankly, from what I’ve seen, your definition of “cool” doesn’t even come close to “cool”, it’s just dully conformist. C) Why do you care so much if people consider you hip? You _are_ out of high-school, right? It was tedious when the dullards in elementary school tried to do it (“You don’t have a ‘Speed Racer’ lunchbox? You’re not cool!”), it was dull when the vacuous airheads in Jr. High tried to do it (“You didn’t hear the new ‘ELO’ album? You’re not cool!”), it was dull when the vapid fashion groupies in High School did it (“You aren’t wearing IZOD shirts? You’re not cool!”) and, frankly, it’s annoying when you do it (“You drink something different than what I drink? You’re not cool”, “You haven’t seen whatever movies I like? You’re not cool”.) Yeah, “If I don’t like the threads, don’t read 'em…yadda, yadda, yadda”, but this sort of crap is a form of bullying (not really effective, especially here, but nonetheless) that, IMHO isn’t a positive addition to the SDMB. In [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=89487) you berate a young woman for not watching “Pulp Fiction”. Why? Are you afraid that without validation, you’ll be seen as uncool? Perhaps she was studying. Perhaps she doesn’t like mediocre acting and over-the-top violence for the sake of shock value. I know I don’t, and didn’t bother to see it for those reasons. In [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=88602) thread, you make a point of saying that anyone who doesn’t drink what _you_ drink isn’t “hip”. You’ve said that it was intended as a joke, but if so, your single joke is growing stale. This board is filled with rugged individualists and I suspect that your silly “You’re in and you’re not!” games will continue to go over like lead balloons. Frankly, I have no real interest in your ideas of what you consider popular culture. There is certainly a valid discussion to be had, but since the best recommendation you seem to be able to do for a movie, a book or hell, an alcholic beverage seems to be “If you _don’t_ see/read/drink it, you’re not cool and conversation with you isn’t groovy”, then guess I’ll have to chuckle and say “Gosh. **DalovinDJ** doesn’t think I’m ‘hip’. The pain.” and try to soldier on, somehow, despite it all. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/2 "2001-09-26T12:45:50Z")
I dunno **Fenris** , I’d really dig having a Speed Racer lunchbox and an ELO LP about now… But seriously, I’ve long thought that the concept of ‘hip’ or ‘cool’ works against society as a whole. In its ironic kind of way it promotes a culture of conformity while pretending not to conform. It’s the same kind of reasoning that lead me to cut my hair (once 3 feet long), stop coloring it (choose you color, I did it), and take out the earrings (multiple holes, take your pick). I realized that I was agressively attempting not to fit in by fitting into some other group of conformists. And by doing that I was letting someone else set my own agenda. That bites. So screw being hip…do what you enjoy. Be who you are. And anyone who tells you that you’re not clued in? Tell them you don’t **want** to be because then you’d be like **them**! ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/3 "2001-09-26T12:59:39Z")
I’m really very confused. Maybe you all could help me out. 1. I drank a glass of cranberry juice first thing this morning. 2. None of the bars I go to have special glasses for guiness[sic]. 3. The last time I drank Midori, I was 14 years old and visiting my brother at college. Am I hip or not??? ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/4 "2001-09-26T13:07:34Z")
Well, I think you’re hip **Green Bean**. Now tell me, do I look fat in these pants? ---
**Author:** ![Arden\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@Arden\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arden_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/5 "2001-09-26T13:24:54Z")
Yeah, it is getting tiresome. I don’t usually hear this kind of obsession about cool and hip unless I’m listening to my 14yr old and her friends acting their age. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/6 "2001-09-26T13:32:38Z")
> [@](#): > > A) I don’t care if I fit your sad little definition of “hip” (I don’t, btw) **Fenris** , honey, if you’re not hip, then the word has no meaning. It seems to me that **DalovinDJ** is trying to look hip to others, the anithesis of cool. I’m reminded of a passage from a Terry Prachett novel (which one escapes my memory) in which he talks about the Monks of Cool, a very hip monastic order, in which the final test of worthiness is to be shown a closetful of clothes and asked which are the hippest threads. The correct answer, of course, is, “Hey, whatever I pick out.” To be cool, be yourself. Start your own fashion and follow that different drummer. Cool, like change, must come from within. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/7 "2001-09-26T13:55:34Z")
Fenris, I love you, you are a God to me and my family. We have a Fenrisian shrine in our potting shed. But hasn’t dalovinDJ been covered, like in the last three days? I thought Esprix ripped him open. Right? I’m confused. But I’m also hip. jarbaby ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/8 "2001-09-26T14:18:32Z")
Anybody else get a visual of Huggy Bear when you read that guy? ---
**Author:** ![Why\_A\_Duck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Why\_A\_Duck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Why_A_Duck)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/9 "2001-09-26T14:20:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lieu \* > \*\*Anybody else get a visual of Huggy Bear when you read that guy? \*\* Nah, as somebody brought up in another thread, it’s definitely Disco Stu. ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/10 "2001-09-26T14:33:27Z")
As I said before, the guy makes me laugh. I think some of you are taking him a little too seriously, but that is JMHO. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/11 "2001-09-26T14:52:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diane \* > **I think some of you are taking him a little too seriously** I was thinking the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/12 "2001-09-26T14:59:51Z")
Am I the only one who pictures Steve Martin in ‘wild and crazy guy’ persona when reading something from DalovinDJ? I really thought he had created a running joke by animating this characterature. Please tell me he isn’t serious. ---
**Author:** ![bernse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@bernse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bernse)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/13 "2001-09-26T15:10:12Z")
I don’t think its _taking him to seriously_. I think its more of a case of getting annoyed and letting him know it. I am more or less neutral towards him(?), but I’m starting to slide into the slightly annoyed camp myself. > [@](#): > > it’s definitely Disco Stu. Can’t be. As we all know, **DAlovin’DJ advertises**. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Cynical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Mr.Cynical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Cynical)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/14 "2001-09-26T15:16:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > **But hasn’t dalovinDJ been covered, like in the last three days?** Not only are multiple threads about the same subject and same person lame, but they also make the Baby Jesus cry. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/15 "2001-09-26T15:17:47Z")
Hey, _hey_, **HEY!** I ain’t done with him yet! ( 😉 ) Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/16 "2001-09-26T15:19:34Z")
I was never cool in school I’m sure you don’t remember me And now it’s been 10 years I’m still wondering who to be But I’d love to mix In circles, cliques, and social coteries - that’s me Hand me my nose ring (Can we be WE CAN BE HAPPY UNDERGROUND!happy?) Show me the mosh pit (Can we be happy?) from Ben Folds Five. AHHHHHHHH crap! Great. I just realized he’s coming into town tonight. Darn Yom Kippur… I still remember 8th grade. I think I was the ONLY person in school who didn’t roll his jeans up. At least twice a week I was asked why I didn’t. I told them I thought it was stupid looking and didn’t want to do it. They all looked at me with pity and walked on. 9th grade came and no one rolled their jeans anymore. No one ever remembered that I refused to wear my jeans either. I guess I was cool again. ---
**Author:** ![Agrippina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8797f3/32.png) [@Agrippina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agrippina)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/17 "2001-09-26T15:22:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Waverly \* > \*\*Am I the only one who pictures Steve Martin in ‘wild and crazy guy’ persona when reading something from DalovinDJ? I really thought he had created a running joke by animating this characterature. Please tell me he isn’t serious. \*\* Great. Now I’m going to imagine **dalovindj** in funny golf clothes, doing a funny dance. “I’m a wiiild and craazy guy!” 😃 I quit trying to be “hip” or “cool” when I was, oh, fifteen. I mean, I’ve never drank alcohol, I’ve never done drugs, or even smoked a cigarette. There are a ton of things people do that I haven’t done, but I don’t care because it doesn’t interest me. If it interests someone else, then great! I hope they have a great time, but don’t bully me into doing it if I don’t really care. Spending your entire existance trying to be something you’re not, instead of concentrating on who you really are is so stupid. To that I say, “Get a life.” I hope that made sense. I’m such a willd and craaazy gal! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/18 "2001-09-26T15:25:38Z")
**Jarbaby** (Hey, I have a Jababian shrine! Are we in a feedback-worship loop?) and **Manservant H.** Th’ thing is, **Esprix** has some (IMO) legit gripes with **DJ** that I didn’t want mixed up with my comments. I’m only talking about one specific behavior that I find irritating here. I couldn’t find a more appropriate place. And **Diane and mouthbreather** : I think he _is_ serious about his concerns of ‘hipness’. But either way, **bernse** perfectly summed up what I was trying to say: > [@](#): > > I don’t think its taking him to seriously. I think its more of a case of getting annoyed and letting him know it. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![ultress](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/7c8e57/32.png) [@ultress](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultress)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/19 "2001-09-26T15:36:57Z")
The guy gets way too much attention. This is what…the second or third Pit thread about him. Hey, he’s just got a different style of humor. I’ve seen worse. I kinda like him too. ---
**Author:** ![Acco40](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Acco40](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acco40)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2001, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894/20 "2001-09-26T15:43:48Z")
> [@](#): > > _Re-posted by **Fenris** _ > > ## quote: > > I don’t think its taking him to [sic] seriously. I think its more of a case of getting annoyed and letting him know it. Jeez! If you don’t agree with him, that’s one thing… why the Pit thread??? Are you attempting to change his opinion on matters as inconsequential as pop culture references by ranting in the Pit? All I can say is that perhaps **Dj** shouldn’t have jumped into it first with the rant which inspired this one. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dalovindj-youre-not-the-arbiter-of-hip-or-cool/83894.md?page=2)