# Dammit James Franco, you've spent your goodwill **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 19, 2011, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dammit-james-franco-youve-spent-your-goodwill/589635 "2011-07-19T21:58:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dammit-james-franco-youve-spent-your-goodwill/589635/21 "2011-07-20T15:28:20Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So, you don’t have any problem with the project itself, and you even think it’s kind of cute. But because James Franco is a celebrity, he’s… what? Not allowed to feel the same way about it that you do? > > This is a very stupid pit thread. I love you dearly, Miller, but this makes no sense. The OP says “James Franco has spent his goodwill”, and the OP doesn’t need to justify his rage. The definition of “spending goodwill” varies from person to person and I can see how someone’d be pissed off that someone they liked was involved in this stupid shit. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dammit-james-franco-youve-spent-your-goodwill/589635/22 "2011-07-20T15:50:54Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So, you don’t have any problem with the project itself, and you even think it’s kind of cute. But because James Franco is a celebrity, he’s… what? Not allowed to feel the same way about it that you do? > > This is a very stupid pit thread. > [@typoink](#): > > My complaint is that Franco’s celebrity has propelled what should have been a joke that died on the vine at art school into something that, well, actually exists. And now we are all enjoying the joke. What, this stuff is only good when it’s insider stuff? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dammit-james-franco-youve-spent-your-goodwill/589635/23 "2011-07-20T16:05:11Z")
I’m all set to write my imaginary letter of indignation to Franco and his crew. Imagine big bold fonts. In red. Written backwards. In Samoan. It’ll be worth a mint. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dammit-james-franco-youve-spent-your-goodwill/589635/24 "2011-07-20T16:32:45Z")
Not only is this not a joke, [it’s not even original](http://www.newsweek.com/2011/06/26/collectors-who-spend-thousands-on-artist-s-ideas.html) ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dammit-james-franco-youve-spent-your-goodwill/589635/25 "2011-07-20T20:32:10Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > They let Surrealists into Heaven? Possible, I suppose. But not French Impressionists, they are _right out!_ Its in Scripture: “The love of Monet is the root of all evil.” Depends if he was self-loathing or not. ---
**Author:** ![typoink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@typoink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typoink)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dammit-james-franco-youve-spent-your-goodwill/589635/26 "2011-07-20T21:50:39Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Why is this suddenly not a joke, now that Franco’s involved? It’s still a joke – the operative part of my statement was “should have died on the vine.” > [@](#): > > And Franco is held to a different standard because… he’s famous? Huh? I was saying I wasn’t honestly faulting Franco. > [@](#): > > What is this feedback loop, exactly, and why is it a bad thing? Meh, that’s a bigger can than I feel like getting into, but I feel like the art world is increasingly dominated by people who know how to market better than they know how to create. Obviously that’s a complaint that’s been around, well, probably since Thogg ochred his first water buffalo, but this just seems like, well, a pure expression of it. > [@](#): > > And I suppose I’ll throw this one open to **drm** and **Guinastasia** , but why do you assume that the person who paid for this isn’t also in on the joke? Reading an article on the person who paid for it, I’m pretty sure she did so because she knew somebody would write an article about it. She’s a social marketer by trade. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dammit-james-franco-youve-spent-your-goodwill/589635/27 "2011-07-20T23:46:09Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > This is easily the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my entire life. For a collective group that is constantly fighting off the unwashed masses’ cries of “mah five year old baby gurl could do that!”, you’d think they wouldn’t resort to selling things that an actual five year old could do! Are they really fighting this? I know that those criticisms are common, but do the creators really care enough to fight this? > [@Miller](#): > > This is a very stupid pit thread. I was expecting to find out that Franco was be supporting some kind of silly woo stuff. But the problem is that he’s supporting some silly art concept that the OP isn’t even all that bothered about? Yeah. Fail. > [@Anaamika](#): > > I love you dearly, Miller, but this makes no sense. The OP says “James Franco has spent his goodwill”, and the OP doesn’t need to justify his rage. Why not? ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dammit-james-franco-youve-spent-your-goodwill/589635/28 "2011-07-21T06:26:20Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Five year old babies are damn hard to shove into soup cans…and you need one for every can…who the hell has access to that many five year olds? A kindergarten teacher? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dammit-james-franco-youve-spent-your-goodwill/589635/29 "2011-07-22T00:19:57Z")
My [Museum of Me](http://www.intel.com/museumofme/l/index.htm) pieces must be worth a fortune. If there’s anybody left on Facebook who hasn’t done that yet, you need to immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dammit-james-franco-youve-spent-your-goodwill/589635/30 "2011-07-22T01:09:29Z")
Not even clever for an undergrad art major, who’d be informed that his edgy concept was done…50, 60 years ago by Yves Klein, who gets credibility points on top of originality by virtue of the fact that he required payment for his imaginary art to be made in the form of gold dust, which he then dumped into the Seine. They just don’t make them like that any more. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dammit-james-franco-youve-spent-your-goodwill/589635/31 "2011-07-22T01:48:31Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I can see how someone’d be pissed off that someone they liked was involved in this stupid shit. It’s not stupid shit. It’s ART. Jesus, it’s like the 20th century never existed. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dammit-james-franco-youve-spent-your-goodwill/589635/32 "2011-07-22T01:49:49Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Not even clever for an undergrad art major, who’d be informed that his edgy concept was done…50, 60 years ago by Yves Klein, who gets credibility points on top of originality by virtue of the fact that he required payment for his imaginary art to be made in the form of gold dust, which he then dumped into the Seine. > > They just don’t make them like that any more. Kids these days… I worship Klein like a god. 😃 ETA: Except the gold dust would be brass filings. Art is wonderful, but the rent comes due every month. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dammit-james-franco-youve-spent-your-goodwill/589635.md?page=1)