# Damn Bills. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 2, 2003, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392 "2003-12-02T02:02:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/1 "2003-12-02T02:02:39Z")
First of the month. Paying bills. Dammit, people should just give me stuff free. I deserve it. Because I’m me. If I gave up my libertarian leanings and signed up for socialism you think the bank would forgive the damn mortgage? Which, I might point out, went up $450 per month because the county needs to pay for schools and services on the OTHER side of the county. Meanwhile we can’t even get the damn stop light re-timed properly. Crap. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/2 "2003-12-02T02:15:32Z")
Hmm, I thought this thread might be about the Buffalo football team, or pending legislation in Congress, or guys named William. C’mon, man, just _out-compete_ the Socialists and earn more money. Then they can rail against you as a malefactor of wealth. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Daddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Bruce\_Daddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Daddy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/3 "2003-12-02T02:22:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance with some snipping \* > \*\*If I gave up my libertarian leanings and signed up for socialism you think the bank would forgive the damn mortgage? > > Which, I might point out, went up $450 per month because the county needs to pay for schools and services on the OTHER side of the county. \*\* If the county were libertarian this wouldn’t be an issue! ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/4 "2003-12-02T02:37:43Z")
Sadly, it’s not libertarian…it’s Loudoun. Sadly. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/5 "2003-12-02T03:22:58Z")
That’s what happens when you vote for state-level government on the basis of candidates’ promises to hold down taxes. The local ones have to pick up those functions and you pay as much anyway. Same thing when the feds dump it onto the states. This libertarian-conservatism stuff is a con game. ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/6 "2003-12-02T03:36:05Z")
I think that if your tax bill on your house went up $450. per month that you are in a postion to pay for things. Or were you just bragging? ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/7 "2003-12-02T03:37:11Z")
I think that if you buy something new, it should stay new forever, then I wouldn’t feel so bad about paying for it (forever). ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/8 "2003-12-02T03:40:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by county \* > \*\*I think that if your tax bill on your house went up $450. per month that you are in a postion to pay for things. > > Or were you just bragging? \*\* Bragging about money is degrading. My tax bill went up because the county double-teamed me (and all of us out here in farm-country… 1. Raise the assessment 2. Raise the rate. 3. Profit! ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Daddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Bruce\_Daddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Daddy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/9 "2003-12-02T03:40:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ElvisL1ves \* > \*\*\ This libertarian-conservatism stuff is a con game. \*\* With trepidation as to turning this in to something more that it should be (sorry, **JC** ) I find myself more and more wanting to abondon the “Conservative” movement in favor of Liberarianism (?) even though it is a losing cause. If GWB is the poster-child of conservatism I’ve had enough. I’ll go back to drinking my cheap wine now, excuse me. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/10 "2003-12-02T03:42:01Z")
Hell with that. I’ve got some of the $8 a bottle Raspberry wine you can have. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Daddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Bruce\_Daddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Daddy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/11 "2003-12-02T03:43:19Z")
Bullshit Pile, I can’t hear you. I’m drinking box wine out of a Solo cup. Get more redneck than that. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/12 "2003-12-02T03:45:12Z")
I thought we were supposed to be drinkin’ home brew from a wooden cup so the people dancing can get all shook up. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/13 "2003-12-02T03:48:40Z")
You want services, you’re going to pay for them. That’s all. The “con game” remark was in reference to the libertarian illusion that cutting one level of government, but not all, has any real bottom-line effect, and for some the greater illusion that the services they expect would keep coming somehow even without being paid for. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Daddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Bruce\_Daddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Daddy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/14 "2003-12-02T03:49:34Z")
Ok, winner. Well, change “wooden cup” to Mason jar and you’re a winner. I think the judges will accept late 2003 Almalden Blush Chablis in a red Solo cup. I could be wrong. [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/15 "2003-12-02T03:55:27Z")
Well, the ‘libertarian illusion’ maintains that services ain’t necessarily…um…necessary. To assume that libertarians want the same level of services for less taxes reveals a lack of understanding of libertarianism. Besides, that’s what the _American Public_ wants (more services for less taxes). Check your representatives voting record. And I don’t even have to know what district you’re in. So it ain’t like that’s libertarian-specific. That’s dumbass specific. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Daddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Bruce\_Daddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Daddy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/16 "2003-12-02T03:56:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ElvisL1ves \* > \*\*You want services, you’re going to pay for them. That’s all. > > The “con game” remark was in reference to the libertarian illusion that cutting one level of government, but not all, has any real bottom-line effect, and for some the greater illusion that the services they expect would keep coming somehow even without being paid for. \*\* Ok, Johnny Serious Man. 😉 I’m all for the broad principles outlined on the Libertarian Party’s main page: > [@](#): > > Welcome to the Official Web Site of the > Libertarian Party > The Libertarian Party is committed to America’s heritage of freedom: > > - individual liberty and personal responsibility > - a free-market economy of abundance and prosperity > - a foreign policy of non-intervention, peace, and free trade. [Link](http://www.lp.org/) I’m far too drunk to have a rational debate about this right now but perhaps we can have one in the near future. Right now we’re supposed to be lamenting **Mr. Chance’s** financial woes. I hear that semen and plasma have a fairly high resale value. Perhaps this can rectify \ your situation. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/17 "2003-12-02T03:59:41Z")
Have another drink. You’re still making sense. ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/18 "2003-12-02T06:55:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \* > \*\*Besides, that’s what the _American Public_ wants (more services for less taxes). \*\* No, no, no. The _Amercian Public_ wants lower **Federal** taxes. It’s why we voted the GOP into Federal office. Now instead of bitching about the Feds taking all our money we can bitch about our states or local municipalities taking all our money. ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/19 "2003-12-02T06:57:07Z")
And you can disagree with me if you want, I don’t care. I’m just relating the whines to which I was subjected on Turkey Day. ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2003, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392/20 "2003-12-02T12:56:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \* > \*\*Bragging about money is degrading. > > My tax bill went up because the county double-teamed me (and all of us out here in farm-country… > > 1. Raise the assessment > 2. Raise the rate. > 3. Profit! \*\* Most people don’t have a property tax bill of $450 per month much less a property tax bill that could go up $450 per month, I think you are bragging (IMO). [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-bills/216392.md?page=2)