# Damn Pete Rose and MLB for all time **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2003, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618 "2003-08-12T11:40:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/61 "2003-08-13T00:45:07Z")
Maybe, but that doesn’t mean the evidence that he bet on the Reds isn’t compelling - just less so than the evidence that he bet on baseball in general. ---
**Author:** ![Jaade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@Jaade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaade)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/62 "2003-08-13T00:51:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\*::cough:: baseball husband ::cough:: > > ::refrains from running nekkid thru thread as proof:: > > 😃 \*\* ~ROTFL~ ~blushes~ I am so sorry… I guess I need to be a better wife…all this time I thought you were female. (That’s not an insult, really!!) ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/63 "2003-08-13T01:51:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jklann \* > \*\*The evidence that Rose bet on games involving Cincinnati is less convincing than the evidence that he bet on baseball. \*\* Perhaps so…but not by much. [Here’s a link](http://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/20021031zumsteg.shtml) to Derek Zumsteg’s analysis of the Dowd Report published by Baseball Prospectus back in 2002. This was done long before BP even thought about breaking this story so there shouldn’t be a connection. Incidentally, I caught an interview with Will Carroll, the man who broke the story today. He says he has independent confirmation from three sources. One is inside the Reds, one inside MLB HQ and one outside of baseball. \ Anyone wanna bet that the ‘outsider’ is Rose himself? He’s dumb enough to talk about it. Especially with Sunday’s ESPN story on him wanting to get back in the game. \ Amusingly, Carrol says he broke the story when talking to someone about a waiver-wire claim. Carroll normally covers injuries and medical reports for BP. I’d guess he was talking to someone at the Reds who dropped the story in his lap either intentionally or otherwise, then Carroll called whatever source he has at the League Offices, then attempted to confirm with an ‘outside’ source. I think BP has 'em on this. I just wish they’d gotten a copy of the signed agreement. That would have broken this wide open. ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/64 "2003-08-13T01:56:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jaade \* > \*\*~ROTFL~ > > ~blushes~ I am so sorry… I guess I need to be a better wife…all this time I thought you were female. (That’s not an insult, really!!) \*\* Holy crap! You’re kidding, right?? Man, if that’s not a blow to his ego… heh ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/65 "2003-08-13T02:05:43Z")
Hey, someone wants me enough to _specifically_ tolerate a period of time where I pay more attention to the television than anything else. She can think I’m Marge Schott for all I care:D ---
**Author:** ![Jaade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@Jaade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaade)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/66 "2003-08-13T05:40:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dantheman \* > \*\*Holy crap! You’re kidding, right?? > > Man, if that’s not a blow to his ego… heh \*\* Well, he should have made it easy…see, your name is danthe **man** …I can’t figure out how to pronounce **iampunha** , much less figure out the gender. ~grins~ I think he posted in some lesbian thread a while back and mentioned his wife. This is where my misconception came in… I of course, humbly apologize to **iampunha** again, but it’s ok with him anyway, because we’ll both be staring at the TV cheering for the Braves anyway…or maybe rocking with Lou. ~J ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/67 "2003-08-13T06:11:44Z")
I posted in **summerbreeze** ’s thread about lesbians who could be converted by Ben Affleck. I don’t remember specifically referencing **fizzy** as my wife (especially as she ain’t yet). Here is the relevant portion of my post: > [@](#): > > I might note that fizzy, who is most decidedly straight, is utterly unimpressed with Ben Affleck. Insert the relaxed smiley of your choice to indicate that I am, well, relaxed about all this. No harm was intended … it’s not like my SN is “iampunha, penis-owning man”😃 **Jaade** : I am p’n-ha. The U is basically a gracenote. I think Leo Mazzone will be amused that you called him Lou;) ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/68 "2003-08-13T07:51:17Z")
My god, Bud Selig is a spineless asshole. Why is he so keen to get Rose into the HOF, so they can properly enshrine baseball’s biggest flame-outs, whack jobs and dipshits? Going to call it the Shoeless Joe Jackson Hall of shame? I am so pissed, i can hardly type a coherent thought. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/69 "2003-08-13T09:29:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \* > \*\*It was so damn clear that he was holding on solely to break the record. > > Damn him. \*\* Or maybe he just wanted to keep playing even though it was clear to others his impact days were behind him. Some guys just can’t give it up. Say what you want about him. But the man loved to play. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/70 "2003-08-13T11:58:41Z")
That’s why they have beer league softball. Loving to play and hanging on when you’re a detriment to your team are two things that shouldn’t go together. ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/71 "2003-08-13T12:01:05Z")
Well, to be fair, perhaps the Reds shouldn’t have acted as enablers, then. I don’t blame a player for wanting to keep playing, even if they are blinded to their own foibles; I can blame the team for letting that player keep on playing beyond his worth. Their job is to ensure that the team wins. Unless Rose owned the Reds, you can’t lay all of the blame at his feet for that particular sin. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/72 "2003-08-13T12:08:34Z")
Good point. The management must of thought he had something to offer. Maybe asses in the seats? I don’t know. But they gave him the job. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/73 "2003-08-13T12:23:31Z")
Yeah, I always figured keeping him around was a marketing decision. He could always get people through the turnstiles. Being a Cincinnati institution and chasing the record made it cost-effective to have him dragging down the offense like that. ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/74 "2003-08-13T13:04:43Z")
Most teams would do that, though - if a player is chasing a milestone, it’s always good PR for him to do so for his original team. (For example, Clemens winning his 300th with the Yankees, rathre than leaving them for another team and winning it there.) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/75 "2003-08-13T13:09:43Z")
There were several stretches in Cal Ripken’s career where I believe he was in the line-up solely to keep the streak alive. That’s what the fans wanted. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/76 "2003-08-13T13:10:27Z")
How are the Yankees Clemens’ original team? They’re his third. I do see your point, though. ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/77 "2003-08-13T13:15:24Z")
Ah, yes. Of course they were. :o Here’s one that’s a little better. Steve Carlton won his 300th with the Phillies, a team he’d been with for a very long, long time (I know, he began with St. Louis and was traded for Rick Wise); the Phillies very much needed him to win #300 while with them, because the team stunk during the latter part of his career. It wasn’t long after he won it, though, that he was released (a year or so) - Carlton then became the poster child for the player Who Hung Around Too Long. ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/78 "2003-08-13T13:19:01Z")
(And you know, to follow up on Clemens - if he had been on decent terms with Boston during the past year or so, perhaps there would have been a much stronger pull to get him back to the Red Sox so he could win #300 there.) ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/79 "2003-08-13T16:24:32Z")
Ugh. Ripken. Never really cared for him as a player especially when it was abundantly clear that he was playing only so he could chase Gehrig’s record. Might sound silly, but there’s still only one Iron Man to me and _he_ quit because his nervous system was going to hell. Gehrig, as far as I can tell, was never hitting no .200 five months into the season with 4 RBI (an exagerration, to be sure, but I hope the point is clear). ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618/80 "2003-08-13T16:37:43Z")
I don’t remember him too well - was he as good in person as he was in those grainy films? 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-pete-rose-and-mlb-for-all-time/194618.md?page=5)