Damn Tenants!

You can find their new address after a while by getting a new credit report on them. I use Tenant Credit Report, http://www.tenantcredit.com. They also offer skip tracing and you can file a free deadbeat report on your former tenant that will show up on all future credit reports. The cost is very nominal for all of their services, as little as 10.00. It could be they only work for property managers but I’m certain that a property manager would run a report for you if Tenant Credit Reports won’t do it for you.

You might also consider hiring a property manager now, they will save you tons of hassle and know the “ins and outs”. Ask for and check their references too.

bare, your idea of a property manager is good but it wouldn’t work for me. You see, I own my house, live upstairs, and what I rent is the downstairs. I don’t make enough to pay someone else to manage for me. If I owned a lot of units, sure I’d look into it.

Lsura, your idea sounds great. I will try that. It has the advantage of being legal AND cheap. If it doesn’t work I will go with getting a credit report. And the research firm that I use to check references will take info from landlords on less than satisfactory tenants. So he will have a black mark there, even if nowhere else.

Most property managers I am aware of charge around ten percent of the rent, and will raise the rent enough to cover their expense. It is also a write off on your taxes. Believe me you will come out ahead and lead a much more peaceful existance. Also since you share the home you will not want the tenant to know that you are the owner, let them think you are just another tenant, that way you won’t be getting 11pm calls to change a light bulb!

I’ve been a property manager myself and found it to be the crapiest job on the planet. Nothing like being called in the middle of the night to let some drunk in who forgot that his keys were in his pocket!
If I had someone who didn’t pay I sent him an eviction notice. He then had two weeks to pay his rent, or get out.
The security (damage) deposit isn’t available until after the tenant moves out as it is held in trust until then. So, a landlord who has to collect rent so that they can pay a mortgage is out of pocket. There ain’t nothing like having to eat kd because of some asshole you let live in your home.

One suggestion: From a purely pragmatic point of view, it makes more sense to try and reason with the guy now–if it works you win, and if it dosen’t, you can sue him latter. He probably knows he is being as ass, and feels bad about it, but dosen’t know how to work with you.

The first thing I would do is tell him, calmly, why you are not satisfied with the idea of using his deposit as his last months rent. Tell him that all your previous tenants have left the apartment in a state where you had to spend $200 or whatever to have it cleaned (even if you clean it yourself the lost oppurtunity cost is whatever it would have cost you to call a cleaning service), and that this cleaning comes out of that deposit. Give him the option of paying half the rent now, and taking the other half out of the deposit. If he says he can’t do that (and if the money is not there, it is not there) stress that if the apartment is not spotless, you will have to come after him and ruin his credit. Detail how you will do that. Make it clear to him that you would prefer to work with him and find a resolution you can both live with (after all,if the apartment is clean and undamaged and you have your money you have everything you want, right?) but that you are willing to take steps.

Keeping the relationship amaible is important. If you are an ass, he will just transfer his feelings of guilt into feelings of anger towards you. Let me give you an example. I have a good friend who, two years ago, had to quit work to take care of her mother, who was dying of cancer. She was 21, and had no other family. The month her mother died was also the month that her savings ran out—you can imagene this was a high stress situation. There was some life insurance due her, but there was a snafu at the company and it took some weeks on the phone to straighten things out. In the midst of this she had a rent payment due, and simply did not have the money. She had always been on time to date, and she called her landlord and explained the situation. On the phone he was all smiles and undertanding–but threee days later she came home to find an eviction notice on the door. On top of everything else, this just crushed her. After that, she felt no compulsion to work with this guy or explain anyhing to him, or do more than the bare minimum that she was required to do by law. (She usually leaves apartments clean when she moves out-she just left this place) If he wasn’t going to give her the benefit of the doubt after a year of amiable relations, she wasn’t going to bother being a model tenant.

I am wondering, just from reading your story, if something similiar is going on here. This guy may well be willing to work with you, but you are not making your concerns clear to him–you are immediatly starting to comunicate through legal ultimatiums. Putting his back to a wall is not going to get you your money, ever. It will just ruin his life. He may never have thought of cleaning costs and such. Sit down and frankly telll hm your concerns. If he can do what needs to be done–and he may well have no money but have 3 friends that are willing to help him cl;ean the hell out of the place, you win, and he is out of a diffucult spot. On the other hand, if he screws you over, ruin his credit so that he won’t get a chance to do it to the next person. Delaying it by two weeks won’t change anything.

I have exchanged information with the tenant. He has an email address and since he won’t talk with me I had to send him an email telling him his actions were not acceptable, and detailing how I would go to Small Claims Court if he didn’t pay up. He was at the apartment yesterday to (I presume) get more of his crap out of the place. I have not been entirely well and did not feel up to talking just then, and he din’t try to see me either.

Later I discovered he left the front door not only unlocked but OPEN as well, a HUGE security risk. So I looked the place over and saw nothing of value, just old clothes and kitchen utensils, etc. I have now left him a note inside the door stating that within 24 hours I will have the locks changed, because of the risk I feel he is posing. So hopefully this will be over soon. I will still file in court too, although I have no expectations of getting anything, because I want this to go on his legal record. Maybe the filing fees are worth that kind of satisfaction. And maybe by this time on Monday I will be really ranting!!! Who knows?

Uzi, it sounds like we are on a similar wavelength here. One set of tenants I had got into a fight(he was drunk) and he fell against the big glass panel in the front door(original with the house)…You know the one with the pretty beveled edge that throws rainbows on the opposite wall when the sun hits it right. Broke it all out. They were the fourth set of tenants, the current guy is the eighth. Interestingly, the first four all started well and ended badly, and the second four have all been great, up until this guy suprises me. Maybe 50/50 isn’t so bad.

Hey MandaJO, want a job? You sound like you would make a perfect property manager. Everything you said is true. That is what makes a good landlord, one who can hear the truth and one who knows bull-shit when they hear it. The important message here is treat everyone with respect until they don’t deserve it any more (we all have bad times}. Then get even! With a vengence!

My mom owned several multi-unit apartment houses for quite a while, and what she would do is offer the tenant a nominal cash bonus along with the ENTIRE deposit if their rent was current and the apartment was in move-in condition when the keys were turned back in. She’d then assess the wear-and-tear damage, fix what was necessary, and turn around and rent the next day. If something major needed to be replaced, like flooring or wallpaper, she’d take the apartment off the market, completely redecorate the place from top to bottom, and then would raise the rent a bit to cover the expense of redecorating. Most of the apartments she did this to really turned out great, and she found that tenants willing to pay a higher rent were, for the most part, better tenants.

The other thing I’d suggest would be to do at least a cursory background check, especially when you’re living there yourself. Verify employment and current residence, at the very minimum. Mom also found that some employers are more than happy to assist the landlord with problem tenants.

It’s cuz of stuff like that that I refuse to entertain the thought of being a landlady myself.

Robin

Don’t bother. You need to present a 3 day notice. He will fight it. Then you will need to present an official eviction notice. He will fight it. He will move out as he said and you will have legal bills. He will have none, because he went to legal aid and they love evictions.

Well, the tenant has just come by about twenty minutes ago and wanted to know if “there is some way we can work this out” I told him he could pay the rent and again he said he just doesn’t have it.I asked why he had said he had the money at the beginning of the month, and didn’t now. And was I in for a suprise.

It turns out he has a property of his own that I didn’t know about, even with the background check I did. HIS tenant moved out and screwed him and now he wants ME to give HIM a break!

There was more discussion in which I refused at first to negotiate. Inside I know that if I do go to court I won’t in all likelihood see a dime, and I wouldn’t want to waste time and money if I can help it. So in the end I gave him an ultimatum. We will go through the place on Tuesday at 3:00PM, and if the place is in perfect movein shape I will not pursue the matter further. If it is not I told him I will go from here to the courthouse to start procedures. I acted as tough as I could without being profane. There will be no more chances after that. So we shall see.

Baker,

We dont see eye to eye on this but I wanted to say that I hope it works out for the best.

You dont need the hassle.

I guess you’ll be real careful choosing the next tennant.

Have you considered letting to a company in the area?
As an expat here I live in company provided accomodation and in talking to the owner I discovered that the company pays him a full year up front and they then use the appartment when they need it. Hes delighted because the company takes 5 of his premises , he dosent need to worry if someone leaves early because the company must still pay for the right to use it and hes never going to have the hassles you have because generally a company will be a lot easier to reason with that some lowlife with a sobstory.

Sounds like a win win situation for everyone involved.

It’s funny you should mention that Damhna because someone at work today said something about that. I’m not sure how to go about finding companies that might want it, and it is in the central(slightly depressed) part of town, but it sounds as if something worth looking into. And the hospital I work at has folks that come in from all over the country(and other countries as well), maybe I can put in an ad at work. Thanks for the tip.

I’m just waiting for tomorrow to see if the tenant is actually out as planned. Wish me luck, because if he isn’t you’ll see some REAL ranting!

So what happened Baker? It’s after 3:00 on Tuesday… you should’ve met with the tenant by now. Was the place in move-in condition?