# Damn! They renewed Enterprise
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [May 19, 2004, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947 "2004-05-19T11:44:51Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/1 "2004-05-19T11:44:51Z")
I’m seeing reports that this abomination has survived the chopping block.
Spineless weasels at UPN afraid to kill this dreck that is Star Trek in name only.
Content wise it is empty and sophomoric. It insults the memory of it’s predecessors (and I had no great love for Voyager either!)
I can’t subscribe to the theory that any Star Trek is better than no Star Trek.
Hell maybe this belongs in the PIT.
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### Author:  [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/2 "2004-05-19T11:46:01Z")
Moderator please rename - in my hatred and haste I didn’t title it properly.
Damn, they renewed Enterprise!
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### Author:  [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/3 "2004-05-19T12:06:39Z")
Well I for one think this is a good thing. So there 😛
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### Author:  [@the\_Lady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_Lady)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/4 "2004-05-19T13:13:48Z")
As do I.
Suffer! Mwah hah hahhhh!
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### Author:  [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/5 "2004-05-19T13:29:43Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#):
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> Moderator please rename - in my hatred and haste I didn’t title it properly.
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> Damn, they renewed Enterprise!
Whew! I was about to comment that this must be a reeaaaallllly old thread…
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### Author:  [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/6 "2004-05-19T14:12:49Z")
You know, you could always choose to not watch it.
The show never clicked with me; I could not force myself to become interested in the characters.
My older daughter (Thing 1) watches it religiously and actually cares. YMMV
(These kids today don’t know how good they’ve got it. Why, back when I was your age we had to walk five miles to watch reruns of the Original Series, on WPIX channel 11, at midnight, in the snow, uphill both ways. Nowadays the’ve got DVDs of seven hundred hours of five different series, and movies, with director’s comments and deleted scenes. We had to go to Conventions to see Blooper Reels, now they run them on demand. These new Trekkies are getting SOFT I tell you, probably never even sewed their own tribbles… )
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### Author:  [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/7 "2004-05-19T15:06:30Z")
You know, when I watched the TOS in reruns the local station clipped them a bit to add more commercials. One of the things that always got clipped was the title.
I never knew the episodes had titles till much later. I always had titles like the friends shows.
The one where Kirk and Spock become mobsters
The one with the big cloud
The one with the giant cucumber
The one with the tribbles
Then later I meet fellow Trekkies and they all know the real titles and although I know what I saw I have this inferority complex amongst trekkies. The littlest geek.
Yeah, kids today, feh.
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### Author:  [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/8 "2004-05-19T15:18:57Z")
I like Enterprise too. I look forward to seeing it whenever I am in the US.
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### Author:  [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/9 "2004-05-19T16:23:50Z")
I saw a commercial last night for the DVD release of Voyager season 2. There was a line something like “20 hours of entertainment!” and all I could think was “but there are more than 20 episodes in a season.”
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### Author:  [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/10 "2004-05-19T17:54:49Z")
> [@Otto](#):
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> I saw a commercial last night for the DVD release of Voyager season 2. There was a line something like “20 hours of entertainment!” and all I could think was “but there are more than 20 episodes in a season.”
(Insert witty joke about unfavorable ratio of “minutes of entertainment” to “minutes of screentime” per Voyager episode here)
In my more rabid Trek fan days, I found that if I cut out commercials while taping, the episodes were about 47 minutes long and I could get 8 on a 6 hour tape if I cut the credits. Ergo, 24 episodes would run not quite 19 hours. Unless I’m forgetting the number of episodes per season, or they’re tacking on blooper reels or behind-the-scenes videos, they’re exaggerating by claiming 20 hours.
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### Author:  [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/11 "2004-05-19T17:58:16Z")
I love that show. Glad it’s saved.
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### Author:  [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/12 "2004-05-19T18:12:06Z")
YAY!!
As I’ve mentioned in other threads, _Enterprise_ is the first Star Trek series I’ve embraced in ever so long. It’s a long story, but for years I could not bring myself to get too involved with ST. Strange story, but basically during the first season of ST-TNG, Something Bad Happened in my life, and for about a year I was really depressed. I was also watching TNG. After I got over the Bad Thing, I couldn’t watch ST-TNG—I associated it with the Bad Thing. And all the following series, well, I’d watch them a little, but I still just didn’t have it in me to really follow them for long because subconsciously I associated them with Bad Thing.
And now, finally, after so many years, I’ve finally gotten over it (about time!). Just a fwe months ago I started watching _Enterprise_ with great zeal. It’s been great.
I am aware that it’s probably not the best of the _Star Trek_ series, but dammit, I’m finally back in the _Star Trek_ saddle and I’m pleased about it. I was going to be mighty upset if they pulled the rug out from underneath me and cancelled the damned thing.
So I’m really looking forward to what they do next year with the show! YAY!!!
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### Author:  [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/13 "2004-05-19T18:42:09Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#):
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> (Insert witty joke about unfavorable ratio of “minutes of entertainment” to “minutes of screentime” per Voyager episode here)
My post was supposed to be the witty joke about unfavorable ratio of entertainment minutes to screentime minutes…
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### Author:  [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/14 "2004-05-19T18:45:35Z")
Yeah!
Doesn’t excuse the horrible dreck that was Season Two ::shudders:: but Season Three has been pretty good. Hopefully they have learned their lesson.
Now they just need to restore the theme song back to the original.
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### Author:  [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/15 "2004-05-19T19:17:12Z")
It’s not my favorite Trek, but I like it a bit more then TNG or Voyager. I am disturbing by the huge screwing up of trek history and continity in certain episodes, but I do appreciate the fact they have a story arc that is somewhat interesting.
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### Author:  [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/16 "2004-05-19T19:31:45Z")
> [@Otto](#):
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> My post was supposed to be the witty joke about unfavorable ratio of entertainment minutes to screentime minutes…
Ahh, too subtle for me. You didn’t add a “Ba dum-bum!” or a “Wah wah wahhhh” or a “Boi-oi-oi-oinnng!” noise at the end. 😃
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### Author:  [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/17 "2004-05-19T19:40:40Z")
I like how John Billingsley (Dr. Phlox) approached the issue of cancellation/survival. He believed that the show would survive for no other reason than the makers need another season’s worth of episodes to make the show more valuable for syndication and recoup their investment. He wasn’t romanticizing the show or being overly optimistic because he didn’t want to face the idea of losing his job – he was just being pragmatic.
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### Author:  [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2004, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/18 "2004-05-19T19:48:13Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#):
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> (Insert witty joke about unfavorable ratio of “minutes of entertainment” to “minutes of screentime” per Voyager episode here)
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> In my more rabid Trek fan days, I found that if I cut out commercials while taping, the episodes were about 47 minutes long and I could get 8 on a 6 hour tape if I cut the credits. Ergo, 24 episodes would run not quite 19 hours. Unless I’m forgetting the number of episodes per season, or they’re tacking on blooper reels or behind-the-scenes videos, they’re exaggerating by claiming 20 hours.
[Season Two has 26 episodes.](http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/VOY/episodes/index.html?season=2)
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [May 20, 2004, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/19 "2004-05-20T01:29:44Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#):
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> In my more rabid Trek fan days, I found that if I cut out commercials while taping, the episodes were about 47 minutes long and I could get 8 on a 6 hour tape if I cut the credits. Ergo, 24 episodes would run not quite 19 hours. Unless I’m forgetting the number of episodes per season, or they’re tacking on blooper reels or behind-the-scenes videos, they’re exaggerating by claiming 20 hours.
Twenty _minutes_ would’ve been an exageration.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)
#### Post date: [May 20, 2004, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-they-renewed-enterprise/245947/20 "2004-05-20T01:33:01Z")
> [@HPL](#):
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> It’s not my favorite Trek, but I like it a bit more then TNG or Voyager. I am disturbing by the huge screwing up of trek history and continity in certain episodes, but I do appreciate the fact they have a story arc that is somewhat interesting.
Before it’s all over, they’ve got to figure out some clever way to fit these events into the (convoluted) Trek universe.
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