# Damn Yankees kill another Southern institution: White Lily flour **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2008, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939 "2008-06-23T17:15:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/201 "2008-06-25T00:36:45Z")
Please remind me, Jodi (or anyone else who knows)- are you gay? I honestly don’t remember. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/202 "2008-06-25T00:37:37Z")
[QUOTE=Dead Badger] You think that’s what you’ve got with this poisoned well bullshit? Really? All you’ve done is prove that there are some people on here who are just as big willy-wavers as you, and perplexed a whole bunch of other people who got caught in the middle of your little drama. Way to go, champ. [/quote] Why, thank you. As a matter of fact, it turned out almost precisely the way I thought it would. > [@](#): > > This claim might have more credibility if you hadn’t jumped down the throats of everyone who dared to respond in a less-than-entirely shocked manner to your floury plight; even those who appeared to agree with you. You were clearly spoiling for a fight with anyone and everyone, so don’t try and gussy this up by claiming you were trying to draw out known bigots. That’s a self-serving pile of crap. I also don’t give much of a rat’s ass about your opinions as to my claim’s credibility. Just saying. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/203 "2008-06-25T00:38:31Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] The final capital of the Confederacy was Greensboro, North Carolina [/QUOTE] Or penultimate, depending on whether we’re counting this message board… ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/204 "2008-06-25T00:42:03Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] Or penultimate, depending on whether we’re counting this message board… [/QUOTE] That was pretty good, actually. 😉 But actually I’ve always been pretty anti-Confederacy (well, until lately, and even then I’d want Obama for president). ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/205 "2008-06-25T00:43:04Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] Please remind me, Jodi (or anyone else who knows)- are you gay? I honestly don’t remember. [/QUOTE] Pretty sure she ain’t. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/206 "2008-06-25T00:48:16Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] Why, thank you. As a matter of fact, it turned out almost precisely the way I thought it would. [/quote] Well, yes, of course it did. Be a twat in public - get a negative response. It’s hardly fucking rocket science, or trolls would be much less common. Whatever _else_ you think you’ve proved is utterly beyond me, though. > [@](#): > > I also don’t give much of a rat’s ass about your opinions as to my claim’s credibility. Just saying. Shucks, just imagine my concern. Now imagine my concern using all the remaining White Lily to make crepes suzettes for ivory tower Yankees from the hated North. For my concern is a harsh mistress, yes indeed. Anyway, my concern and I are going to bed. You and your persecution complex can stay up til late, but no more sugar for either of you, okay? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/207 "2008-06-25T00:55:36Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] Pretty sure she ain’t. [/QUOTE] Then, while 1- she no doubt has 19 friends and relatives who are gay and loves them to pieces 2- she’s stated she doesn’t give a shit about etiquette 3- she’s only referring to me “queen” is a bit of a loaded word that I don’t think she’d have hurled in that context against a straight doper. It’s one of those “we can use but non queens can’t” things- just is. I say this to inform, not to express offense (and the “self involved” part pegs me pretty perfectly, and true- I called her a bitch- but that’s been largely desexed and there are any number of threads to prove that I and others use it for both genders). ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/208 "2008-06-25T01:04:24Z")
_ducks head to avoid all of the insults_ Yeah, I didn’t know that “damnyankee” referred to a certain subset either. Because people use it pretty interchangeably with “Yankee”, and I have heard the particular term flung at me before, both with reason and without. Will keep it in mind. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/209 "2008-06-25T01:09:01Z")
Whoa, dude, it sounds like flour isn’t the only white powder in WL. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/210 "2008-06-25T01:12:28Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] Whoa, dude, it sounds like flour isn’t the only white powder in WL. [/QUOTE] Just wait until the plant closes. There’ll be teenagers working for the hoarders smuggling it in condoms they’ve ingested. (Quite odd in a way since the trade of the “original recipe” won’t be illegal, but making teenagers smuggle things in ingested condoms is just sort of fun.) ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/211 "2008-06-25T01:13:34Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] Ha. Sure. You take massive umbrage to one mild term in the title of the OP, blow it into a giant personal battle (as, I’ve noticed through the years, is your wont,) and I have the problem. :rolleyes: [/quote] This is hilarious! Let’s review: In this thread, you and your crazy-ass cohort have called me, among other things: “malcontent mannerless bitch” “humorless stupid bitch” “ignorant, braying retard” “sociopathic piece of bat excrement” “threadshitting bigot bitch” And **I’VE** turned it into a personal battle?? Seriously, WTF? Are you on a different internet than me, or what? Now, I’m not particularly wounded, considering the sources, but shit-fire – it’s like describing up as down and black as white. Somehow I’ve become the focus of some perceived Yankee bigotry you’ve decided to nail yourself to the cross over, based on some unknown other threads where unknown other people have offended your Southern pride. Well, lemme tell you, you’re not demonstrating you or your region have much to be proud of. If I’m not an anti-Southern bigot – and I’m not – it’s because so far I’ve been lucky enough to avoid Southerners of your (and **Sampiro’s** ) stripe IRL. If you were it for the South, fuck yes I’d despise it. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/212 "2008-06-25T01:24:24Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] “Queen” is a bit of a loaded word that I don’t think she’d have hurled in that context against a straight doper. It’s one of those “we can use but non queens can’t” things- just is. I say this to inform, not to express offense (and the “self involved” part pegs me pretty perfectly, and true- I called her a bitch- but that’s been largely desexed and there are any number of threads to prove that I and others use it for both genders). [/QUOTE] If you feel that it’s a slur against your sexuality as opposed to against you personally, you may consider it withdrawn. But as you yourself know, you are on mighty thin ground to declare that my sexuality-based insult is beyond the pale but your gender-based one is “de-sexed” and therefore A-okay. And if you think you can call me things like “malcontent mannerless bitch” and “sociopathic piece of bat excrement”, and I in turn will keep the gloves on, you are fucking insane. Just because I don’t lose my temper doesn’t mean I’m not profoundly insulted. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/213 "2008-06-25T01:29:45Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] If you feel that it’s a slur against your sexuality as opposed to against you personally, you may consider it withdrawn. [/QUOTE] Queen, like fag or queer, insults \*all \*gays, not just me, though it’d be hard to argue that bitch insults all women when leveled at an individual. Nevertheless you may withdraw the bitch. But keep the malcontent mannerless bat excrement as a free gift just for trying me out. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/214 "2008-06-25T01:40:22Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] Queen, like fag or queer, insults \*all \*gays, not just me, though it’d be hard to argue that bitch insults all women when leveled at an individual. Nevertheless you may withdraw the bitch. [/quote] I don’t think that’s a hard argument to make at all, and I also think it’s not your call. As far as “withdrawing the bitch” – it’s not for me to withdraw it, it’s your insult. > [@](#): > > But keep the malcontent mannrless bat excrement as a free gift just for trying me out. Oh, I get it; it’s not really withdrawn. Well, mine genuinely was. You may take refuge in insincerity but I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Charogne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecd19e/32.png) [@Charogne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charogne)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/215 "2008-06-25T01:41:25Z")
I’m straight myself, although my brother and some dearly-loved friends are gay. I’ve heard them use the term “queen” frequently, about people (straight or gay) going WAY over the top. It may be an “in-group only” use term, however. I’ll ask my brother, inasmuch as he’s sane – “When you say queen so freely and often, do you mean to insult ALL gays, or just the narcissistic self-pitying drama addicts?” ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/216 "2008-06-25T01:42:58Z")
[QUOTE=Dead Badger] Well, yes, of course it did. Be a twat in public - get a negative response. It’s hardly fucking rocket science, or trolls would be much less common. Whatever _else_ you think you’ve proved is utterly beyond me, though. [/quote] Unsurprising. > [@](#): > > Shucks, just imagine my concern. > > Now imagine my concern using all the remaining White Lily to make crepes suzettes for ivory tower Yankees from the hated North. For my concern is a harsh mistress, yes indeed. I don’t hate the North. In fact, if you did use White Lily to accomplish this, I’d applaud (and you’d probably see what I meant by “extremely high-quality product.”) > [@](#): > > Anyway, my concern and I are going to bed. You and your persecution complex can stay up til late, but no more sugar for either of you, okay? Night! ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/217 "2008-06-25T01:49:28Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] This is hilarious! Let’s review: In this thread, you and your crazy-ass cohort have called me, among other things: “malcontent mannerless bitch” “humorless stupid bitch” “ignorant, braying retard” “sociopathic piece of bat excrement” “threadshitting bigot bitch” And **I’VE** turned it into a personal battle?? Seriously, WTF? Are you on a different internet than me, or what? Now, I’m not particularly wounded, considering the sources, but shit-fire – it’s like describing up as down and black as white. [/quote] Volume and frequency don’t make it true. Your first post in this thread: > [@](#): > > As a Northerner living in the South – Yankee? You tell me: I’m from Montana – I’ve gotten used to making sympathetic mouth noises when people complain about the death or relocation or both of another Southern institution I don’t give a shit about. Insincere mouth noises, but polite insincerity is highly valued here in Dixie, and when in Rome . . . . If you claim that ain’t a shot across the bow, impugning the South in general, and is not an invitation for offense, you’re either lying or insane. Different internet indeed. > [@](#): > > Somehow I’ve become the focus of some perceived Yankee bigotry you’ve decided to nail yourself to the cross over, based on some unknown other threads where unknown other people have offended your Southern pride. Well, lemme tell you, you’re not demonstrating you or your region have much to be proud of. Riiiight. I think the “somehow” occurred when you decided to post that you think the South is full of two-faced hypocrites. > [@](#): > > If I’m not an anti-Southern bigot – and I’m not – it’s because so far I’ve been lucky enough to avoid Southerners of your (and **Sampiro’s** ) stripe IRL. If you were it for the South, fuck yes I’d despise it. Actually, your histrionics notwithstanding, I think you’d find both **Sampiro** and me highly personable. It’s the medium, you know. And, it’s the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/218 "2008-06-25T01:55:50Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] Volume and frequency don’t make it true. Your first post in this thread:If you claim that ain’t a shot across the bow, impugning the South in general, and is not an invitation for offense, you’re either lying or insane. Different internet indeed. [/quote] My point was that **I’M** not the one who has made this personal. I never said a damn thing about you, and I didn’t even say what you allege I said about the South. I really don’t think that’s much up for debate. > [@](#): > > Riiiight. I think the “somehow” occurred when you decided to post that you think the South is full of two-faced hypocrites. Except I never said that. What I said was that “polite insincerity is highly valued in Dixie”, which iis (a) obviously not the same thing and (b) in my experience true in any case. It’s not for nothing they say that “bless your heart” is an insult in the South. > [@](#): > > Actually, your histrionics notwithstanding, I think you’d find both **Sampiro** and me highly personable. Huh. And what are we basing that on? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/219 "2008-06-25T01:58:36Z")
The obvious solution to the White Lily Flour debacle is a revenge purchase of the Clabber Girl Baking Soda Company in Terre Haute, Indiana by the Imperial Sugar Company. That’ll teach them Yankees (besides, they still don’t have the pitching to go all the way). [QUOTE=Jodi] At this point, I’d be great with them discontinuing Moon Pies [/QUOTE] Now you’ve gone too far. Moon Pies are a great food, not least for inspiring the NRBQ song “RC Cola And A Moon Pie”. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Dave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/46a35a/32.png) [@Great\_Dave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Dave)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/220 "2008-06-25T02:26:48Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] …“RC Cola And A Moon Pie”. [/QUOTE] See, that’s what makes the South so wrong! It’s no wonder half of you are diabetic fatasses. Up here in the Puritanical, Calvinistic, Yankee North, we cut loose with some apple cider and a pastie (well, in Michigan at least). yes, that was a joke. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939.md?page=12)