# Damn Yankees kill another Southern institution: White Lily flour **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2008, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939 "2008-06-23T17:15:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/241 "2008-06-27T15:40:47Z")
Don’t abandon hope. The Thread of Northern Aggression may one day rise again. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/242 "2008-06-27T15:53:23Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Note that the gracious Southerners apologized before the damn fucking yankee. [/QUOTE] Dude, lay off the hate-orade. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/243 "2008-06-27T17:45:05Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] Wow, are you ever late. Party’s over, dude. [/QUOTE] Damn. Okay, catch you at the next one! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/244 "2008-06-27T18:46:23Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Damn. Okay, catch you at the next one! 🙂 [/QUOTE] But that could be hours from now. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/245 "2008-06-27T19:57:38Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] But that could be hours from now. [/QUOTE] Oh ho ho! That bad, eh? Alright, I’ll work on it. Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/246 "2008-06-27T21:04:24Z")
Actually, the sad part is that Smucker, and all the related smucks think the product is the same. Or, they lie, and the darned yankees can’t recognize the lie. But, the ownership of Lily White are as much to blame, having allowed the brand name to be bought without any caveat that it must only apply to an identical product. I suppose Smucker’s is our own version of Nestle. (Do they kill babies like Nestle, too?) Tris ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/247 "2008-06-27T21:12:33Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] Oh ho ho! That bad, eh? Alright, I’ll work on it. Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. [/QUOTE] Well that’s funny. I picked this week to _start_ sniffing glue. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/248 "2008-06-27T21:21:49Z")
[QUOTE=Triskadecamus] … I suppose Smucker’s is our own version of Nestle. (Do they kill babies like Nestle, too?) [/QUOTE] Could you explain this please? ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/249 "2008-06-27T21:26:11Z")
Nestle has had a practice of giving away free formula samples to mothers leaving hospitals in lower income nations. They would usually give the equivalent of about a month’s supply of formula to the departing mothers. The theory being, that it could be used to eke out the mother’s milk while it’s coming in, or for those times when the baby has to be left with someone who isn’t lactating. In practice the supply gets used up in a month, quite often, and the mother, because she is not actually breast feeding dries up. Leaving the family with the choice of trying to pay for formula in a third world economy, finding a wet nurse, or seeing their baby die. [Wikipedia cite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9#Baby_Milk_Marketing). ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/250 "2008-06-27T22:22:19Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] Wow, are you ever late. Party’s over, dude. [/QUOTE] Goddamned yankees even killed this thread. _Is no Southern institution safe?_ ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/251 "2008-06-27T22:31:37Z")
[QUOTE=OtakuLoki] In practice the supply gets used up in a month, quite often, and the mother, because she is not actually breast feeding dries up. Leaving the family with the choice of trying to pay for formula in a third world economy, finding a wet nurse, or seeing their baby die. [/QUOTE] Damn. That would be a touch decision. I guess it would all boil down to “which number baby is this?” and “is it cute enough to pose with Sally Struthers?”. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/252 "2008-06-29T22:20:28Z")
Are there any other flours with the same properties? What about Eden Organic Soft Winter? What’s the deal with Martha White (also owned by Smuckers)? Is it still soft winter, or is it also being changed? Is there any reason that southerners can not purchase the old mill and continue producing under a different name, or start up a new mill that mimics the old mill’s properties? Seems to me that if the produt is so highly valued to southerners, they should get their act together and either pruchase the mill or start their own. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/253 "2008-06-29T22:26:55Z")
What is the difference in the end result betwen red and white soft winter wheat? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/254 "2008-06-29T23:56:13Z")
[QUOTE=Muffin] Is there any reason that southerners can not purchase the old mill and continue producing under a different name, or start up a new mill that mimics the old mill’s properties? Seems to me that if the product is so highly valued to southerners, they should get their act together and either purchase the mill or start their own. [/QUOTE] Assume that you absolutely love Sprite, and it went out of business or changed its formula to New Sprite which tasted more like Fresca mixed with lemon furniture polish. (Substitute any product for Sprite really.) How much disposable income do you have in order to invest in a plant that makes a beverage that tastes exactly like Sprite (or whatever product)? How much experience do you have running such a plant, or even hiring people to run such a plant? If someone told you “start up costs should be around $12 million plus $2 million per year after that”, would that sound reasonable to you or would you have no idea whatever? How important is Sprite to you that you could really want to invest the time and money to find out? It’s just really not that easy if you don’t have major contacts in and experience with the business world to do that. ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/255 "2008-06-30T01:15:13Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] Could you explain this please? [/QUOTE] In three separate campaigns in three separate nations the Nestle’s corporation has aggressively marketed baby formula in third world countries with inadequate water sanitation over the specific requests of the governments of those nations. Thousands of infants died as a result. The company basically told the government of Gambia that they were not powerful enough to stop Nestle’s from doing whatever they wanted. It’s all legal. It has happened over forty years of deliberate marketing. Nestle’s spent more money advertising the education programs they started to repair their reputation (after the first round of public exposure in the sixties) than they spent on the actual programs. I will never buy a Nestle’s product, and I encourage everyone to avoid them like the murdering bastards they are. It’s hard to do, too, they own everything. Carnation, Stouffer’s, and dozens of others. Tris ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2008, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/256 "2008-06-30T02:19:00Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] Damn. That would be a touch decision. I guess it would all boil down to “which number baby is this?” and “is it cute enough to pose with Sally Struthers?”. [/QUOTE] Say **Sampiro** , that’s a nice handbasket you’re in. Where’re you heading? ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2008, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/257 "2008-06-30T02:21:14Z")
[QUOTE=Maus Magill] Say **Sampiro** , that’s a nice handbasket you’re in. Where’re you heading? [/QUOTE] To Nestle’s, apparently. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/258 "2008-06-30T02:32:19Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] Assume that you absolutely love Sprite, and it went out of business or changed its formula to New Sprite which tasted more like Fresca mixed with lemon furniture polish. (Substitute any product for Sprite really.) How much disposable income do you have in order to invest in a plant that makes a beverage that tastes exactly like Sprite (or whatever product)? How much experience do you have running such a plant, or even hiring people to run such a plant? If someone told you “start up costs should be around $12 million plus $2 million per year after that”, would that sound reasonable to you or would you have no idea whatever? How important is Sprite to you that you could really want to invest the time and money to find out? It’s just really not that easy if you don’t have major contacts in and experience with the business world to do that. [/QUOTE] Even if you couldn’t afford it all on your own, or don’t personally know what to do, if there are enough old-Sprite-fans to make such a venture profitable, then you don’t need to set up shop yourself; someone who _does_ have the requisite experience in such business should be willing to seize the chance to serve that market (though it may take some effort to convince them of the opportunities). Otherwise (if such a venture wouldn’t be profitable), it sucks, but nobody could really be blamed for it. Who’s going to keep catering to your niche tastes out of their own pocket? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2008, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/259 "2008-06-30T02:44:34Z")
I’ve got a hankerin’ for some Tollhouse cookies made with LW’s exciting new flour… \ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2008, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/260 "2008-06-30T11:13:46Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] I do wonder what people would think if someone bought all the In N Out Burger joints in California and turned them into McDonald’s. [/QUOTE] Okay, just wanted to point out that something like has happened in real life. [Quote=Wikipedia] On January 5, 2007, ten Popeyes restaurants in McAllen, Texas, and throughout the Rio Grande Valley suddenly closed without warning or notification. Popeye’s corporate office tried to communicate with the franchisee of the restaurants, CVI Company Ltd., but to no avail. It was later discovered that CVI sold all 10 restaurants to Church’s Chicken, but Popeyes corporate affirmed that it had not been notified, nor had it given permission for the sale. Closing the restaurants was in violation of the local franchisee’s agreement. On February 28, 2007, Popeyes filed a $20 million lawsuit against Church’s over the sudden buy-out, accuses Church’s of “collusion” and creating an “intentional, malicious, and tortious scheme” to break a franchise agreement. [/quote] Hey, Church’s HQ is in San Antonio, 250 miles and four hours north of here. Damn, pickin’ on us southerners… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939.md?page=14)