# Damn Yankees kill another Southern institution: White Lily flour **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2008, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939 "2008-06-23T17:15:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/61 "2008-06-24T03:12:45Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/18/dining/18flour.html?ex=1214452800&en=c7fed15309132e12&ei=5070&emc=eta1](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/18/dining/18flour.html?ex=1214452800&en=c7fed15309132e12&ei=5070&emc=eta1) Fuck off and die. [/QUOTE] Agreed. How hard could it be to set up a speciality flour mill? Like a craft brewery. I see a market niche. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/62 "2008-06-24T03:32:11Z")
[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi] Agreed. How hard could it be to set up a speciality flour mill? Like a craft brewery. I see a market niche. [/QUOTE] Agreed. There’s even a small mill near where I live that still mills grain and will (IIRC) mill the stuff you bring in, too. But we’re apparently Yankees (baseball players?) so I guess we’d screw it up or something. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/63 "2008-06-24T05:57:24Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] I think I need a scorecard. Ohio is Yankee territory too? I thought it was us in the North East and not those in the Mid West that were Yankees. I think you targeted the wrong people. You should be angry at those **Buckeye Bastards** \* and not us innocent “Damn Yankees”.[/SIZE] [/QUOTE] In a Southern context, Yankees or “Damnyankees” include the states colored blue on [this map](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US_Secession_map_1861.svg). Maybe not so much California and Oregon, which didn’t really participate so much in The War, but definitely including such Mid-Western states as Ohio or Minnesota; many Ohioans and Minnesotans fought and died in the Civil War. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/64 "2008-06-24T06:00:43Z")
Have you seen [this call for comments](http://www.ajc.com/living/content/shared-blogs/ajc/tabletalk/entries/2008/06/18/white_lily_flou.html#comment-79869003)? > [@](#): > > By Elizabeth Lee > > June 18, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this > > I’m writing an article about White Lily for the AJC and would like to speak with cooks who are familiar with the brand and bake with it regularly. > > If you’re interested in talking with me, can you email me at [elee@ajc.com](mailto:elee@ajc.com), and include a daytime phone number? > > I’d like to hear why this brand of flour is special to you, and what you like to bake with it. She also asks later for comments on WL Corn Meal. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/65 "2008-06-24T06:11:20Z")
I did see that request, although I haven’t yet mailed. I also saw Darnell’s peculiarly racist and nutty, but hilarious, comments. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/66 "2008-06-24T06:23:10Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] I did see that request, although I haven’t yet mailed. I also saw Darnell’s peculiarly racist and nutty, but hilarious, comments. [/QUOTE] For those who haven’t visited the thread, there’s a nutcase who goes by Darnell and makes such gems as > [@](#): > > THEY NEED TO GET ALL THEM LILY WHITE PEOPLE OUT OF THE SOUTH! THE SOUTH NEED TO BE RUN GO THE GOOD BLACK PEOPLE THAT WORKED SO HARD TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY WORK! THE LESS WHITE WE HAVE IN THE SOUTH THE BETTER!!! There’s more and there are responses. Darnell’s got a point, but gas is just too damned high right now to expect millions of white southerners to relocate. Of course he taps into the fears of myself and other white southerners that the rumors are true: that if Barack Obama is elected _Black People Order 66_ will be carried out and 200 million white Americans will be forced to go to Canada. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/67 "2008-06-24T09:40:05Z")
Odd that Smuckers would move milling away from the customer base. That seems a strange business decision in an era of sky-high transportation costs. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/68 "2008-06-24T10:55:20Z")
[QUOTE=MEBuckner] In a Southern context, Yankees or “Damnyankees” include the states colored blue on [this map](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US_Secession_map_1861.svg). Maybe not so much California and Oregon, which didn’t really participate so much in The War, but definitely including such Mid-Western states as Ohio or Minnesota; many Ohioans and Minnesotans fought and died in the Civil War. [/QUOTE] Wow, nice to know. I never considered the Mid-West to be Yankee and I doubt they do. Of course I’m just some ignorant 3rd generation immigrant whose great-grandparents came over after the Union won and The Lady was put up. **Ogre** , I still think it is silly to still consider Buckeyes as Yanks or Damn Yankees. Good luck finding some local specialty mill flour to replace your beloved White Lily. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/69 "2008-06-24T12:09:10Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] I used to run a mill. But it was [this kind of mill.](http://www.nd.edu/~stanisic/AME20212/bridgeport.mill.jpg) Not too useful for baking goods, unless you like them flavored with cutting oil and garnished with metal shavings. [/QUOTE] Don’t knock it 'til you’ve tried it. [QUOTE=What Exit?] Ogre, I still think it is silly to still consider Buckeyes as Yanks or Damn Yankees. Good luck finding some local specialty mill flour to replace your beloved White Lily. [/QUOTE] Aw, they’re all yankees. Not that there’s anything wrong with it. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/70 "2008-06-24T12:19:09Z")
We’re Yankees. It’s okay. Sorry about y’all’s flour, though. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/71 "2008-06-24T12:31:52Z")
[QUOTE=Queen Bruin] I’ve never used White Lily (being a Yankee myself - are Californians Yankees? [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=MEBuckner] Maybe not so much California and Oregon, which didn’t really participate so much in The War [/QUOTE] [California in the Civil War - Men & Units That Served](http://members.aol.com/bgandersen/civ_war/) [Philladelphia or Oswego-born transplant Private Truman Head aka “California Joe” of Berdan’s Sharpshooters"](http://www.sptddog.com/sotp/head.jpg) They were the ones with those huge carpetbags to hold their surfboards ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/72 "2008-06-24T12:36:20Z")
What They don’t want you to know is that Smucker’s is secretly planning to replace White Lily Flour with Black Mambo Flour. :eek: Aux barricades!!! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/73 "2008-06-24T13:02:58Z")
I also hate to point this out but White Lilly flour has pretty much been a Yankee product all along. It’s made in eastern Tennessee which was mostly pro-Union country during the war. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/74 "2008-06-24T13:34:46Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] …unless you and **Vinyl Turnip** are a couple of the perennial “teh South suxxors” types to be found in the recent threads on the subject [/QUOTE] Nah, only seasonal. After nearly three decades as a resident, I can affirm that the South is a perfectly lovely place. I still haven’t given up hope that one day we can convince all the idiots to emigrate. I feel your pain about the flour, but I’m afraid I cried all my nostalgic tears out long ago when they yanked “Li’l Darkie Shoe Polish” from the shelves of Winn-Dixie. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Dave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/46a35a/32.png) [@Great\_Dave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Dave)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/75 "2008-06-24T14:27:50Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] …unless you and **Vinyl Turnip** are a couple of the perennial “teh South suxxors” types to be found in the recent threads on the subject; in which case, fuck you. [/QUOTE] As a presumed member of “teh South suxxors” types, I can say that the South is pretty good at [sucking federal tax dollars](http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1397.html). As of 2004, GA and TX were the only states in Dixie that paid in more than they received. Eight of the top 14 receiver states are in Dixie, the other 6 being sparsely populated /agricultural states- NM, AK, ND, HI, MT, SD. The top donor states are, in order, NJ, CT, NH, MN, NV, IL, MA, CA, CO, DE, NY, WI, MI, WA. So, if y’all are still pissed off at us “damn yankees,” feel free to return all that money. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/76 "2008-06-24T14:59:01Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] Odd that Smuckers would move milling away from the customer base. That seems a strange business decision in an era of sky-high transportation costs. [/QUOTE] Well, flour milling is a bulk reducing industry, so it makes sense to locate it near the sources of grain, rather than the customers. Which makes me worry they have no intention of keeping the same raw materials as before, which will of course lead to a different product. It seems to me to be all part of the ceaseless and sad trend towards homogenization. I like different regions having different stores and different products, dammit. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/77 "2008-06-24T15:00:10Z")
[QUOTE=Great Dave] As of 2004, GA and TX were the only states in Dixie that paid in more than they received. [/QUOTE] You wouldn’t have any stats on which states had the highest percentage of Yankee transplants? (I don’t really care - I’m just in this thread like one of those civillians who went out to watch First Bull Run) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/78 "2008-06-24T15:01:58Z")
[QUOTE=Great Dave] As a presumed member of “teh South suxxors” types, I can say that the South is pretty good at [sucking federal tax dollars](http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1397.html). As of 2004, GA and TX were the only states in Dixie that paid in more than they received. Eight of the top 14 receiver states are in Dixie, the other 6 being sparsely populated /agricultural states- NM, AK, ND, HI, MT, SD. The top donor states are, in order, NJ, CT, NH, MN, NV, IL, MA, CA, CO, DE, NY, WI, MI, WA. So, if y’all are still pissed off at us “damn yankees,” feel free to return all that money. [/QUOTE] If you’ll hijack a White Lily flour thread to bash Southern states for inequitable tax structures from 4 years ago (an inequity shared with more than half of the states) then I’d hate to learn your feelings on ethnic minorities due to the high incarceration and public assistance rates. Not that I’d expect you to have the guts to express them here, of course. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/79 "2008-06-24T15:04:35Z")
[QUOTE=Great Dave] As a presumed member of “teh South suxxors” types, I can say that the South is pretty good at [sucking federal tax dollars](http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1397.html). As of 2004, GA and TX were the only states in Dixie that paid in more than they received. Eight of the top 14 receiver states are in Dixie, the other 6 being sparsely populated /agricultural states- NM, AK, ND, HI, MT, SD. The top donor states are, in order, NJ, CT, NH, MN, NV, IL, MA, CA, CO, DE, NY, WI, MI, WA. So, if y’all are still pissed off at us “damn yankees,” feel free to return all that money. [/QUOTE] Despite the hijack nature of this, might this just not, at a chance, be to do with the higher instances of poverty in those states? Also possibly to do with the positioning of military bases near where disproportionate numbers of volunteers hale from? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939/80 "2008-06-24T15:08:38Z")
[QUOTE=Little Nemo] I also hate to point this out but White Lilly flour has pretty much been a Yankee product all along. It’s made in eastern Tennessee which was mostly pro-Union country during the war. [/QUOTE] I hate to point out that White Lily was founded in 1883, long after the Civil War, and that Knoxville (where the company is located) was, not that it’s particularly relevant, a pro-Confederate stronghold that voted 2:1 in favor of secession. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-yankees-kill-another-southern-institution-white-lily-flour/453939.md?page=5)