# Dancing on the grave of health care "reform" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 3, 2010, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487 "2010-02-03T04:17:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/841 "2010-03-22T14:48:21Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Remember Newt Gingrich and the Contract With America? Look it up sometime and see what the Republicans did once they were free of fifty years of Democratic domination in Congress. > > And then consider that much of Republican expenditure is on top of that which has already been mandated by previous Democratic presidents and congresses. Helll, Republicans could not raise expenses an iota on their own and they would still increase hugely each year just because of Democratic programs already in place. > > \*\* _Sigh_ No it isn’t dumbass. In free enterprise, companies have to make a profit to stay in business. The government is under no such constraint. \*\* > > I can’t believe you are actually this stupid. Please tell me you’re just responding reflexively and without thinking it through…Oh, wait, that’s pretty much what liberals are known for anyway, isn’t it? 😃 bolding mine The fact that you and the rest of the Republican party believe this is exactly why we’re in the shit hole we are now. Your complete and utter lack of any feeling of accountability and willingness to let you crony owned corporations and banks run free to make profits on the rest of our backs has led us to financial disaster. And when the pile of shit you left on the carpet stinks so bad it pollutes the whole house you blame the very people who have the unpleasant job of cleaning up your mess. Typical **Starving Artist** bullshit, void of any realistic critique of the situation and flowing with partisan rhetoric. Nicely done. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/842 "2010-03-22T14:50:15Z")
Erm… are you saying you don’t think companies have to make a profit to stay in business? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/843 "2010-03-22T14:53:10Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Erm… are you saying you don’t think companies have to make a profit to stay in business? Oooh oooh! I know the answer to this one! If you’re a bank or mortgage industry, the answer is no. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/844 "2010-03-22T14:56:43Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > [McCain says Democrats have not heard end of debate](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100322/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul_republicans): This is just the break his campaign has been waiting for. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/845 "2010-03-22T15:00:43Z")
_ **The government is under no such constraint** _ That’s the part I have a problem with. Granted a government can limp along for a very long time in debt up to it’s ears but eventually it catches up with you- claiming to be a fiscal conservative and at the same time believing the government has an unfair advantage because it can take on unlimited debt without consequence seems a bit at odds - no? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/846 "2010-03-22T15:10:09Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The GOP’s vision of America began dying roughly 47 years ago when JFK died and Lyndon Johnson, with the one-two punch of socialistic entitlement programs and excruciatingly poor handling of the Vietnam war set the stage for the counter-culture revolution, the effect of which has been dragging this country down ever since. Where our schools were once perfectly capable of teaching kids how to read, write, do math and think, they’re now seemingly incapable of sending people off to college who even know the difference between “there”, “they’re” and “their” and that not every word that ends in “s” takes an apostrophe. > > And marriage? “Pah! Who needs that shit? Why should someone have to have a piece of paper to live with the person they love?” And so now, predictably, we have huge numbers of kids being poorly raised in single-family homes with mothers that would under better circumstances be big sisters, and doomed to lives of poverty and deprivation, and dooming their kids to lives that are no better. > > And then there’s drugs and the huge, huge number of problems and deaths and misery they have caused… > > I could go on and on, but what’s the point? You people don’t give a fuck because you aren’t the type to care about such things in the first place. As long as you can float through life, doing drugs and whatever else feels good, relying on the government to protect you and take care of you and provide for you, you think all is cool and everything is as it should be. > > It’s no wonder that this country’s stature in the world has been steadily declining ever since Kennedy was assassinated. And you keep acting oh-so-annoyed that we keep bringing up that you keep bringing this up. But YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP! If everyone treats you like a one-trick pony, maybe the proper response isn’t to complain that everyone treats you like a one-trick pony, but to learn another trick. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/847 "2010-03-22T15:27:17Z")
And if you (correctly) think he’s a one-trick pony (with a boring trick, at that), then the proper response is… wait for it… NONE. Seriously people. The sentence “I will not justify that with a response” was fucking INVENTED for this dude. As long as everyone treats him as though this shit deserves acknowledgment, he’s going to continue to spew this shit. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/848 "2010-03-22T15:45:19Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > As long as everyone treats him as though this shit deserves acknowledgment, he’s going to continue to spew this shit. Well, it is _his_ lawn. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/849 "2010-03-22T15:46:19Z")
[**ACTION PLAN!**](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2476795/posts) > [@](#): > > Place a piece of bread in your toaster. “Cook” it until it is charred black. Place charred toast in a suitable envelope. Mail said envelope to your representative in DC. ---
**Author:** ![Peanut\_Gallery](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/838e76/32.png) [@Peanut\_Gallery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peanut_Gallery)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/850 "2010-03-22T15:50:36Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > So, Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s attempt at health care “reform” has failed miserably. It’s not dead yet, but it’s on life support (hope it doesn’t get dropped from insurance for a pre-existing condition, amirite??? HAHAHA!!). > > So, I would like to make a bold pre-emptive gloating post to celebrate the death of health care “reform.” > > … > > If some form of this abortion of a bill gets passed, then you are all welcome to rub my faces in it. Until then, I prefer syrup. Rand, you are a fucking jackass. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/851 "2010-03-22T15:52:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > _DAMN_, I get tired of this shit! :smack: Can we not EVER talk about how the left has fucked things up in this country without some dipshit who was never there in the first place running around screehing about racism? Well, THIS dipshit WAS there. And so was racism. Much of it was overt and quite visible opposition to acceptance of minorities. Sometimes on the other hand… > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I was against certain elements of them and got called a racist for it just like today… > Life was segregated but otherwise pretty much normal… > And to the degree conservatives had had a voice in creating positive change in racism, it would have been accomplished more slowly no doubt… …we had stubborn intransigence, and apologists for it. Tool. > [@LavenderBlue](#): > > This from a member of a party that believes that life is so sacred we can’t perform stell cell research because fertilized eggs are people. > > That life is so sacred that an early term abortion is murder. > > That even a goddamned ectopic pregnancy that has no chance of survival must be treated with honor and care to make sure that the fertilized egg is respected because by god that fertilized egg is a actual living breathing human being. > > Yeah. > > But if an actual living breathing human being, one not actually in the uterus or the fallopian tubes, if that actual living breathing human being out of the womb drops dead because the health insurance company does not want to treat her breast cancer well she was going to die anyway so who gives a damn. > > Just shut up. JUST SHUT UP. > > You and your fellow Republicans should never open your mouth on this topic again because all that happens when you do is ugly little toads come out. **LavenderBlue** , I love you! ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/852 "2010-03-22T15:53:32Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Here’s proof: \*\*Starving Artist’s \*\*nose is cold! His nose is cold because he got malaria, and can’t get treatment from his private health insurance company. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/853 "2010-03-22T15:57:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > People will take the path of least financial pain until the time comes that they need urgent or better care, and then they’ll find that none exist because private care can’t compete with government which doesn’t have to make a profit. They can’t compete because the government is offering the better plans at a cheaper rate Is that your new talking point? That government health care suddenly only covers certain things? Please, we beat that horse to death months ago > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > That’s fine. You’ll be the happy titty-baby letting everyone else take care of you, while the Pubbies will still be their own men happily making their own way in life while still paying for you to have what you can’t provide for yourself. I love the feel of your money! 😛 I’ve got some of your children’s lunch money resting on my balls right now. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/854 "2010-03-22T15:59:15Z")
[**Burnt Toast Will Supersize this ACTION PLAN!**](http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2010/03/22/why-this-time-is-different/) > [@](#): > > Obamacare: Passed in 2010. Republicans take House in 2011, one year (9 months, actually) later? > > …We can fight back before much of it even takes effect, not over a decade later when the benefits are entrenched. No excuses. No pessimism. Fight and win, politically. ([Burnt Toast](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12252166&postcount=849)) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/855 "2010-03-22T16:02:15Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Ok > _DAMN_, I get tired of this shit! :smack: Can we not EVER talk about how the left has fucked things up in this country without some dipshit who was never there in the first place running around screehing about racism? Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Seriously, it’s YOUR claim that “the left has fucked things up in this country.” Second, we are just as tired of your shit. If you’re sick of people bringing up racism…then SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. Seriously, we GET IT. Everything was all sunshine and lollipops back in your day, mmmkay? And this: > [@](#): > > 1. Black people themselves, dressed in their Sunday best and demonstrating politely and with dignity are far more responsible for having gained their rights than the counter-culture revolutionever was. Has got to be one of the most goddamned offensive pieces of shit you’ve spewed out on this board. “Oh, those NICE black people, THAT’S why they got their civil rights – because they were DIGNIFED and DRESSED NICE.” Not because, I dunno, they were supposed to have those rights in the first place? :rolleyes: Good god, just SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY, you motherfucking cretin!!! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/856 "2010-03-22T16:33:35Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > This from a member of a party that believes that life is so sacred we can’t perform stell cell research because fertilized eggs are people. He supports torture, and probably supported the conquest of Iraq too. Any claims he makes regarding his concern for the lives of others are simply false. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/857 "2010-03-22T16:38:23Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Good god, just SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY, you motherfucking cretin!!! You know, I put him on “ignore” several months ago. I’ve found that this makes reading certain Pit threads much more enjoyable. The only fly in the ointment is when people insist on quoting him. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/858 "2010-03-22T16:42:18Z")
Perhaps we can petition the mods for an option to ignore any post with the words “Starving Artist” in it? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/859 "2010-03-22T16:48:41Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > [**ACTION PLAN!**](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2476795/posts) Dammit, you really ought to warn people that’s a link to Free Republic. Now my computer’s furious with me for polluting its electrons. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/860 "2010-03-22T16:49:45Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > This from a member of a party that believes that life is so sacred we can’t perform stell cell research because fertilized eggs are people. > > That life is so sacred that an early term abortion is murder. > > That even a goddamned ectopic pregnancy that has no chance of survival must be treated with honor and care to make sure that the fertilized egg is respected because by god that fertilized egg is a actual living breathing human being. > > Yeah. > > But if an actual living breathing human being, one not actually in the uterus or the fallopian tubes, if that actual living breathing human being out of the womb drops dead because the health insurance company does not want to treat her breast cancer well she was going to die anyway so who gives a damn. > > Just shut up. JUST SHUT UP. > > You and your fellow Republicans should never open your mouth on this topic again because all that happens when you do is ugly little toads come out. Your list is incomplete. They also have no problem with lethal injection or other means of killing people who have pissed off society by committing heinous crimes. And they really don’t have any problem with bombing the shit out of people, as long as they don’t have white skin, regardless of lack of provocation. Then there’s that whole endemic slave issue in Asia and Africa, and the rape and murder of women by the thousands, which is just a footnote to many. But other than all of that, they are truly “pro-life”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487.md?page=44)