# Dancing on the grave of health care "reform" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 3, 2010, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487 "2010-02-03T04:17:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/101 "2010-02-04T00:50:21Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > That’s right everybody, feel the hate. Let it well up all nice and toasty in your black little hearts. BigT, thanks, it had been a couple of posts since that particular targeted kind of hate, I was in need of another hit. > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > The Rand Rover works in mysterious ways, my friend. Now, surely you’ve got some hate for me, don’t hold out, now. I’m afraid I can’t muster hate for you - heck, you’re not even contributory to the ills of America, since you don’t vote here. However, I _do_ feel superior to you in a variety of ways. Will that do? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/102 "2010-02-04T01:20:35Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > The Rand Rover works in mysterious ways, my friend. Now, surely you’ve got some hate for me, don’t hold out, now. Hate? mmmmmmm no, not really. In the past, you might have stirred up a vague irritation at times. However, your hiatus was apparently not kind to you my friend. At the moment, you’re working at the level of mild bemusement. You need to work quite a bit harder, and bring your “A” game. Tell us about how you spend more for golf club polish that most of us make in a year. Or something. Maybe start a thread about how taxation = theft. At this point, it’s hard to hate a jester. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/103 "2010-02-04T01:36:36Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I don’t think he is guilty of the worst sort of disregard of the humanity of brown-skinned people. I think he’s guilty of the worst sort of disregard of the humanity of people, period. > > I do, however, apologize for the admittedly unwarranted racism crack. It didn’t feel right at the time of posting, and when I finally came up with something fairer (though less pithy), the edit window was over. Your apology lessens the hate and therefore I cannot accept it. Also, my stance is the more humanitarian position. The liberal douche position infantilzes poor people and minorities by treating them as constantly in need of handouts from there betters (ie, liberal douches). I treat everyone equally by not coddling anyone (well, except for Giraffe’s mother, as explained upthread). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/104 "2010-02-04T01:37:24Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Now, surely you’ve got some hate for me, don’t hold out, now. Au contraire! You’ve given me something pleasant to daydream about: How to spend your money after the government takes it away from you and gives it to me. Hmmmm … I think I’ll blow it all on sushi. And expensive iced coffee drinks. I like sushi and iced coffee. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/105 "2010-02-04T01:43:54Z")
Good use of the term “liberal douches” (twice even!), and an OK attempt to bring class into it, but… Still not there. Try some other hot-button topic. I think this one’s been done to death. ETA: Or try waving the little jester man-on-a-stick. That might work. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/106 "2010-02-04T01:46:08Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Also, my stance is the more humanitarian position. The liberal douche position infantilzes poor people and minorities by treating them as constantly in need of handouts from there betters (ie, liberal douches). I treat everyone equally by not coddling anyone (well, except for Giraffe’s mother, as explained upthread). Right. You’re an omni-tool 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/107 "2010-02-04T01:50:07Z")
I want the government to treat poor people and minorities humanely (ie, as humans, not as pets). If that makes me an “omni-tool,” so be it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/108 "2010-02-04T01:53:28Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > That’s right everybody, feel the hate. Let it well up all nice and toasty in your black little hearts. BigT, thanks, it had been a couple of posts since that particular targeted kind of hate, I was in need of another hit. You brought the hate-we’re just mocking it. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/109 "2010-02-04T01:56:22Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Don’t worry buddy, I know what I’m doing. I say it like that so that those who don’t want to take my viewpoint seriously in the first place have an easy reason for not doing so. Makes it easier for them than actually thinking about the issues. > > ETA: Hehe, the last line you added on edit exaclty proves my point. I couldn’t have hoped for a better first reply to this thread. One day, if I’m feeling charitable, I’ll explain all of this to the extremely slow, but for now, which brand of syrup do you have on hand? What extraordinary things to say, not to mention trollish in nature. Rules prevent me from telling you what parts of the anatomy you resemble, but then I’m sure you see that every morning in the mirror. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/110 "2010-02-04T02:00:20Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I’m afraid I can’t muster hate for you - heck, you’re not even contributory to the ills of America, since you don’t vote here. Are you mistaking **RR** for **Sam Stone**? Or did I miss some earlier reference to him saying he doesn’t vote (for whatever reason)? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/111 "2010-02-04T02:21:46Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Are you mistaking **RR** for **Sam Stone**? Or did I miss some earlier reference to him saying he doesn’t vote (for whatever reason)? I think he said he never voted for a Republican in his life in another thread. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/112 "2010-02-04T04:23:33Z")
It likely will be passed soon. It won’t be radical enough change . But it is coming, and ROVER and CURLCOAT will weep. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/113 "2010-02-04T04:37:47Z")
Weeping is a reasonable response to the country taking a huge step in the wrong direction. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/114 "2010-02-04T04:55:16Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I think he said he never voted for a Republican in his life in another thread. Huh. A search of his name with the word “Republican” shows that he has made exactly that claim. Repeatedly. And a search of his name with the word “voted” results in exactly ZERO instances of him naming any party or candidate that he DID vote for. Our boy plays his cards pretty close to his vest, it seems. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/115 "2010-02-04T15:39:02Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Weeping is a reasonable response to the country taking a huge step in the wrong direction. It’s because the non-minority and non-poor people do such a good job infantilizing themselves that the government doesn’t have to step in and do it for them. Carry on! ---
**Author:** ![Cardinal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal/32/4000_2.png) [@Cardinal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardinal)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/116 "2010-02-04T21:29:09Z")
I’ve never even voted Democrat, but in response to RR, all I can say is: DNFTT. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/117 "2010-02-04T21:40:05Z")
Ooopsy. Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/118 "2010-02-04T21:48:27Z")
Yeah,“oopsy” is right, luci. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/119 "2010-02-04T22:10:55Z")
Oh, bite me. You know, when I use phrases like “running dog jackal of the ruling class”, its mostly a nostalgic joke, a backward glance to the naive leftism of the thirties, an affectionate jibe. But you’re the genuine article. You’ve devoted your mind to gaining the expertise to advise them on how to save their money, and they pay you well for it. But they won’t let you in. You can go to their house, sure, but you will have to use the tradesmen’s door. Because you are a servant, aren’t you? And when they are done with you, they will drop you like a used rubber. You are theirs, but they are not yours. And you’re proud of it. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487/120 "2010-02-04T22:20:19Z")
Hell yeah I’m proud of being smart and hard-working. And I expect to be dropped like your mom’s chewing gum as soon as someone no longer finds my services valuable. That’s how it works–people don’t buy stuff they don’t need generally. I’ll just find someone else who needs my services or learn how to perform other services. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-on-the-grave-of-health-care-reform/527487.md?page=7)